No. The ones we have are shit especially Mikhi. We dont have room for two attackers with Mata,Mikhi ,Rashford , Martial and Lukaku in our side. Depending on the system we should get either a proven number 10 or a RW . To me a LB and a RW should be the priority ( if we are going to use 433 )
Do you think the board would approve funds for 2 top attackers & a full back?
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No. The ones we have are shit especially Mikhi. We dont have room for two attackers with Mata,Mikhi ,Rashford , Martial and Lukaku in our side. Depending on the system we should get either a proven number 10 or a RW . To me a LB and a RW should be the priority ( if we are going to use 433 )
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dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.
Buy a worldy for £100m... he flops fans go mad. Should have bought a potential player.
We buy potential but he never gets there. Fans go mad should have bought world class only.
Look at the Pogbas, Zlatans, Rio, Keane, Ruud,RVP, Cantona for proof buying top class talent works.
Then you have the Ronaldo's, Vidic's, Evra, Schmeical, De Gea for proof the buying under the radar potential works.
Look at Veron as a world class flop.
But on the "potential side" it is way higher. Jemba,jemba, Kleberson, Smith, Saha, etc...decent players but not good enough (some were darn right terrible though) Surely potential world class has to be avery young player? You can't be buying 24+ y/o and expect them to turn into world class in the next 1-2 years? It defies the laws of life.
So both works and both can fail. Deal with it.
Utd need to spend huge this summer. 4-5 in. 5-6 out. If it is Jose's last summer he needs a squad capable fo playing his way and right now, like many have said, we have far too many "average Joes" stealing a living at this club.
Buy a worldy for £100m... he flops fans go mad. Should have bought a potential player.
We buy potential but he never gets there. Fans go mad should have bought world class only.
Look at the Pogbas, Zlatans, Rio, Keane, Ruud,RVP, Cantona for proof buying top class talent works.
Then you have the Ronaldo's, Vidic's, Evra, Schmeical, De Gea for proof the buying under the radar potential works.
Look at Veron as a world class flop.
But on the "potential side" it is way higher. Jemba,jemba, Kleberson, Smith, Saha, etc...decent players but not good enough (some were darn right terrible though) Surely potential world class has to be avery young player? You can't be buying 24+ y/o and expect them to turn into world class in the next 1-2 years? It defies the laws of life.
So both works and both can fail. Deal with it.
Utd need to spend huge this summer. 4-5 in. 5-6 out. If it is Jose's last summer he needs a squad capable fo playing his way and right now, like many have said, we have far too many "average Joes" stealing a living at this club.
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So where would you expect the club to spend its money? If we don't purchase expensive, high profile players, then we'll be earning less revenue, due to being less successful. Very little has been invested in the stadium for the last decader and it's beginning to show.
Dividends.
Young's fine as backup. One of the best attitudes I've seen, and often does something when called upon. Never invisible. Just what you need from a squad member really. Shame he's 32.
Agreed. I’m happy with him at LB. we just need more further up the field.
Because we don't have any.
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Because we don't have any.
If Mourinho's spent ~350 million Euros over the past 2 summers and we still don't have any top attackers in your estimation...let's say you're a board member. Would you have any reservations about giving him a shedload of cash again? The question I'd ask if I were in their shoes is how the feck do we still not have a top attacker given the absolute feckton of money we've given you over the course of the last 2 years?
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If Mourinho's spent ~350 million Euros over the past 2 summers and we still don't have any top attackers in your estimation...let's say you're a board member. Would you have any reservations about giving him a shedload of cash again? The question I'd ask if I were in their shoes is how the feck do we still not have a top attacker given the absolute feckton of money we've given you over the course of the last 2 years?
You're right. I'm asking the same thing.
Rashford is still a kid.
LUKAKU is a finisher not a player.
Martial is lazy and just not a threat most games and does little off the ball.
Mata is just a yard slower these days.. his best days are behind him.
Mhiki is just disappointing. Not sure if it's him or of its what he's being asked to do.
Im lost as to whats going on. Jose is meant to be this serial winner with no fear. Yet he appears to treat the team especially on away days like O'Neill treats the Irish team... defend and hoof. Not trusted to play ball.
I'm not sure if I'd be doling out more money to Jose
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Mata, Herrera and Fellaini would all have been candidates to recoup some money from sales but they're all coming to end of their contracts so not sure how much we'd get for them.
Other squad members who we could sell like Shaw, Blind, Smalling, Darmian and Lingard won't get us much either.
We're in a very difficult position for the next few years if it is true that Mourinho needs to sell before he can buy. I'm sure the board will relax and let him sign some more players in the summer, but in my opinion we need two full-backs and a right-sided creative player, at the very least, without accounting for further departures.
Other squad members who we could sell like Shaw, Blind, Smalling, Darmian and Lingard won't get us much either.
We're in a very difficult position for the next few years if it is true that Mourinho needs to sell before he can buy. I'm sure the board will relax and let him sign some more players in the summer, but in my opinion we need two full-backs and a right-sided creative player, at the very least, without accounting for further departures.
No doubt we need to invest a lot in the attack, at least an elite number 10 and RW. We have good young players in Rashford and Martial, we can consider Lukaku young too, but our senior players are nothing short of embarrassing in the attack line it doesn't help. Zlatan is the only good senior player we have and I don't know if he'll be here next season or not, and if he stays he'll be by his 37. Our senior attacking players are supposed to be Mata and Mikhi but they do absolutely nothing and we resort to our youngsters again and again and again.
Bar Young we also lack any fullback that can dribble and cross, even Valencia isn't the sort of that fullback anymore and this leads to our attack being even more slow.
Sell Mata, Darmian and Shaw. Fellaini may also leave if we don't reach a a contract agreement with him. We should have enough investment to bring RB, LB, a number 10 and a RW that sort our problems going forward.
Bar Young we also lack any fullback that can dribble and cross, even Valencia isn't the sort of that fullback anymore and this leads to our attack being even more slow.
Sell Mata, Darmian and Shaw. Fellaini may also leave if we don't reach a a contract agreement with him. We should have enough investment to bring RB, LB, a number 10 and a RW that sort our problems going forward.
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We also need a striker as an alternative to Lukaku.
Obviously, we have the means to make deals for two top attackers and a top full back but in 2018 that is going to be some serious coin to achieve.
Two top attackers - of the calibre we are desperate for - could easily cost £200m if they are of the right age and profile. Easy.
A top LB at market rates is £50m. Maybe we can get a prospect for less?
Can we raise much from player sales?
We cannot expect a for-profit company lie United to keep investing most of our earnings on players forever.
Well we have just got to do it until we are up there with the best. There is quite a few to be weeded out still as well as needing about 4/5 top players. There is 2 full backs a Midfielder a Creative player and a Winger still needed.
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Two athletic full backs and a right sided attacker would improve us leaps and bounds.
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no.10, winger, full backs is probably what we'd be looking for. Get rid of Mata, Blind, Shaw, Darmian. Those 4 players would probably get £20m each so we're looking at a net spend of £150-200m.
No problem to have a net spend like that with our revenue.
No problem to have a net spend like that with our revenue.
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Realistically, I don't think that the club will be spending 300m plus on transfers in one season. United can sign big players, just not 2 or 3 of them in one go in this post-Neymar world.
I think United need to be looking at 2 types of signings. 1. Top tier youngish players who are or have the potential to be world class or at least very good. Pogba is an excellent example, and arguably Lukaku is another. Signing younger players gives the manager time to build a side.Greizman or Dybala are two examples of players that United should be targeting IMO. 2. Older players coming off contract who can be had for cheap. Zlatan is a good example here and if United can pick up one of Ozil or Sanchez, they could be another. Making good use of youth talent to fill in some of the gaps would also be an excellent idea but will require a bit of trust from the manager.
With an actual plan, some good scouting and some consistency in management, there is no reason to not think that United could be competitive over a 2-3 year period but I think steady accumulation rather than blank cheque splurging is going to have to be the plan. An example of a realistic plan for transfers over the rest of the year might be to throw the bank at Dybala, say, pick up Ozil when he goes off contract, bring in Pereira and/or McTominay to replace Carrick in midfield and pick up a fullback or two from somewhere for relatively cheap.
ETA: For the following season, find a quality young 10/inside forward to replace/compete with Ozil, pick up another fullback and deal with what ever other holes come up in teh squad.
I think United need to be looking at 2 types of signings. 1. Top tier youngish players who are or have the potential to be world class or at least very good. Pogba is an excellent example, and arguably Lukaku is another. Signing younger players gives the manager time to build a side.Greizman or Dybala are two examples of players that United should be targeting IMO. 2. Older players coming off contract who can be had for cheap. Zlatan is a good example here and if United can pick up one of Ozil or Sanchez, they could be another. Making good use of youth talent to fill in some of the gaps would also be an excellent idea but will require a bit of trust from the manager.
With an actual plan, some good scouting and some consistency in management, there is no reason to not think that United could be competitive over a 2-3 year period but I think steady accumulation rather than blank cheque splurging is going to have to be the plan. An example of a realistic plan for transfers over the rest of the year might be to throw the bank at Dybala, say, pick up Ozil when he goes off contract, bring in Pereira and/or McTominay to replace Carrick in midfield and pick up a fullback or two from somewhere for relatively cheap.
ETA: For the following season, find a quality young 10/inside forward to replace/compete with Ozil, pick up another fullback and deal with what ever other holes come up in teh squad.
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These threads are always so awful
How did we become skint all of a sudden? I saw the tweet that was picked up by other outlets alledging we had to sell before we buy, but a few days later we released our quarterly financial report which would definitely claim otherwise.
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How did we become skint all of a sudden? I saw the tweet that was picked up by other outlets alledging we had to sell before we buy, but a few days later we released our quarterly financial report which would definitely claim otherwise.
We definitely need to sell a few.
Look at our fullback situation. We have Blind, Darmian, Shaw, Valencia and Young. Then you look at centre backs Jones, Rojo, Smalling, Lindelof and Bailly. Then you can add Axel who can play centre back primary and fullback.
Atleast two or three from that list need to go.
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