Nah, hate them
Do you like United as much as you used to?
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Indeed. Fix the actual problems we have and both of those would be in the running for POTY in good years.
Not a great deal has changed apart from the lack of attachment with many of the players at the club.
But that is simply a product of the influx of new faces, something I'm sure will change over time.
But that is simply a product of the influx of new faces, something I'm sure will change over time.
Same folk would swap Rooney+£40m for Kane. We'd be practically giving our most marketable player away for free.
People are mental. Rooney's always been prone to these troughs (which is not to excuse them, but let's be honest, he's been one of our best two or three players in the last couple of turbulent years, even when the team has played like freshly squeezed shit) but over the course of a season he makes more of a difference to the side than almost any outfield player.
Feck knows. I find it hard to believe that Woodward went over there without LVG's express approval to (try) do the deal, so either we tried to lowball them on the fee and Chelsea nipped in or LVG changed his mind. Neither is the greatest crime, really. We've done the same on plenty of occasions in the past. I suppose my only concern would be, if true, LVG suddenly deciding, a month or two into the pursuit, that he doesn't fancy him any more. What changed his mind? If it was something to do with Pedro, couldn't he have figured it out before now? If he saw something positive in our early matches this season, then maybe it's fair enough, but I don't believe the squad as it is has a title challenge in it. Rooney will get injured at some point, or something equally annoying and we'll pay for the lack of options in certain positions (CB being another one where we're long on numbers, short on real class).
So, long story short, I haven't a clue...
you understand the game.
I'll always love United but sometimes I do want the evening games to just end so that I can go to bed! Not just in the last 2 years but also when SAF was still here. Our games just aren't always that exciting. I guess it's results that matter at the end of the day and when you've got a young child and work dodgy hours, any football can quite easily send you to sleep!
On the Pedro situation, I think with our experience with Falcao and van Persie (players closer to 30), the club had decided they wont go above certain limits they had set for themselves.
So the deal did not happen. I don't think Woody made any error here. It was simply business.
So the deal did not happen. I don't think Woody made any error here. It was simply business.
What kind of question is that? They are my local team, love them until I die. I'm not an FC United of Salford fan.
I am 33 and I possibly love football more than ever. Being older means I take defeat and our reduced status since Fergie left a lot easier now then I would have done when I was younger.
Loving United....not liking the club.
It never will change. So much of what we feel is made up of our experiences and memories.
As for the club....its not just United..the entire game has changed..for the worse.
It never will change. So much of what we feel is made up of our experiences and memories.
As for the club....its not just United..the entire game has changed..for the worse.
I miss the days where I'd wake up the day after a loss or a draw and be horrified or my heart would beat extremely fast in the last few minutes of a game if it was close, doesn't happen often anymore #MoyesThat
I must admit that I went into Tuesday's match all excited to be back on the European stage if only in the qualifying rounds. Then the display by Memphis got me ecstatic then left me buzzing for days.
That is what a football high is all about, from the anticipation before the game through the elation in the game to the wired felling for days after. It's games like this that makes all the bad days worthwhile.
This is a common footy question loaded with sentimentality and pathos that has passed through the generations of fans.
My first season of visiting OT was 1963. I still have two ST's (since the 80s) in the Stretty. In all those years this question has been asked by friends, usually after a significant cultural period in our history. Those periods included Busby, post-Busby, the Doc, post-Doc, Fergie and now post-Fergie. Until 2008 my answer never wavered - I was a fanatic.
I became emotionally committed during the 'bad ole' days when the odd cup finals were the only fleeting moments of glory. An old poster of the 1976-77 squad still adorns my study wall. That football reflected the late 70s madness on and off the pitch. The less success we had the more we fans were 'United'. The relative fewer games and almost nothing on TV increased our love for the club. Less was more and rarely materialistic. Old battle scarves and badges were our only regalia. Losing or winning never influenced our faith.
The Fergie years were fantastic but the cement that held the fans together began to dissolve. The Fergie years were also, in retrospect, a problem. In the 1990s Andy Mitten and the guys at Red Issue began voicing criticism about where the club was going. Alongside the glory we were forced to sit in the terraces, then along came the Glazers, the cost of games increased, the attitude of players was churlish, it became common to wear shirts, and sending selfie's was more important than actually watching the game. The neighbouring seats to mine have been variously occupied by Japanese, Danish and other business people, never attending more than one game. On reflection all of this makes me wish I'd listened more to those critics.
Since 2008 I've been openly critical of the club. My biggest criticism: Fergie delivered trophies and squads but he failed to establish a management dynasty. It was like the Busby experience all over again. Since 2013 we have wobbled as we did after Busby and I'm not entirely convinced we're back on track. I still love United but I now recognise it's foolish to hold on to an old faith forged in a long lost past. Especially since the club changes so often. The football in the last two seasons has been dreadful and tested my faith unlike in the past. This might be an indication that I'm gradually losing my emotional attachment to the club.
My first season of visiting OT was 1963. I still have two ST's (since the 80s) in the Stretty. In all those years this question has been asked by friends, usually after a significant cultural period in our history. Those periods included Busby, post-Busby, the Doc, post-Doc, Fergie and now post-Fergie. Until 2008 my answer never wavered - I was a fanatic.
I became emotionally committed during the 'bad ole' days when the odd cup finals were the only fleeting moments of glory. An old poster of the 1976-77 squad still adorns my study wall. That football reflected the late 70s madness on and off the pitch. The less success we had the more we fans were 'United'. The relative fewer games and almost nothing on TV increased our love for the club. Less was more and rarely materialistic. Old battle scarves and badges were our only regalia. Losing or winning never influenced our faith.
The Fergie years were fantastic but the cement that held the fans together began to dissolve. The Fergie years were also, in retrospect, a problem. In the 1990s Andy Mitten and the guys at Red Issue began voicing criticism about where the club was going. Alongside the glory we were forced to sit in the terraces, then along came the Glazers, the cost of games increased, the attitude of players was churlish, it became common to wear shirts, and sending selfie's was more important than actually watching the game. The neighbouring seats to mine have been variously occupied by Japanese, Danish and other business people, never attending more than one game. On reflection all of this makes me wish I'd listened more to those critics.
Since 2008 I've been openly critical of the club. My biggest criticism: Fergie delivered trophies and squads but he failed to establish a management dynasty. It was like the Busby experience all over again. Since 2013 we have wobbled as we did after Busby and I'm not entirely convinced we're back on track. I still love United but I now recognise it's foolish to hold on to an old faith forged in a long lost past. Especially since the club changes so often. The football in the last two seasons has been dreadful and tested my faith unlike in the past. This might be an indication that I'm gradually losing my emotional attachment to the club.
Yes, way more than I used to.
Finally got a season ticket for the first time the season Moyes took over.. It's more exciting trying to get back to the top than it is already being the best.
I get married on Sunday and I should probably be helping sort stuff out but try and keep me away from the ground tomorrow
Finally got a season ticket for the first time the season Moyes took over.. It's more exciting trying to get back to the top than it is already being the best.
I get married on Sunday and I should probably be helping sort stuff out but try and keep me away from the ground tomorrow
When I was a teenager the club meant everything to me, was 16 when we won the treble and it was probably the happiest I've ever been. Found it hard to love the team as much since that side broke up and Keane was never properly replaced.
It's also hard not to become alienated from football generally and the club in particular (Glazers etc) given how much of it is aimed at gouging money out of you. Purely commercial.
It's also hard not to become alienated from football generally and the club in particular (Glazers etc) given how much of it is aimed at gouging money out of you. Purely commercial.
I couldn't give a feck who is more marketable. I would have the player who'd contribute more on the pitch.
Yeah but the point is it wouldn't happen for that reason alone. Levy'd be doing cartwheels.
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Football in general isn't as big a deal to me as it used to be and this season so far has been completely uninspiring across the board, not just this club.
It's worse with the national team. I can't even bring myself to watch England most of the time anymore.
To prove a point, I finally cancelled Sky after more than two decades this summer.
I think the FCUM lot are having the most fun.
It's worse with the national team. I can't even bring myself to watch England most of the time anymore.
To prove a point, I finally cancelled Sky after more than two decades this summer.
I think the FCUM lot are having the most fun.
Born an into a United supporting family (on both sides at that) in 1989 so I've been spoiled for glory for 20 years which I didn't appreciate as much as I should because it kinda became the norm. Now during the tough post Fergie era and watching United decline in some respect my love has grown even more for the club and I think a rebuilding process to get back up after being knocked down is gonna be the sweetest title win ever.. Oh it shall be glorious!
I love my United
I love my United
Did you miss our run of victories against Spurs, Liverpool and Man City. The victory against Man City was especially as "enthralling" as it gets.
And yet (like me ) you were around for relegation and the Liverpool years of glory. Two seasons of dreadful football you say , losing your attachment to the club ? Fergie brought riches like none before him and yet he didn't leave a management dynasty , tsk. The club changes all the time and the faith from a long lost past was not forged in total glory was it. This club , our club, will win titles again. The difference for a lot of football fans is that their view of the club is warped by the media 'view' of us , Woody in Spain = Neymar , Benzema or Bale is coming. Two wins out of two in the league and a European tie won = 'it's all gone wrong at Utd because Chelsea have Pedro , season now looks bleak
The bleating youth who post utter nonsense on here concerning how and who the club should buy , x-box managers who check EA sports stats before posting with their technical nous over who should be top of the transfer pile. Fellaini , young and Rooney derided. The constant idea that , although we won our last three matches , we should have picked a,b and c and bought him , him and him is just ill informed random streams of fantasy football manager forum talk. We had a colossus as a manager who brought unimaginable glory to the club. We should not expect a repeat performance , we do have our standards , lol. I do not see a club in crisis.
No, because it's a problem with football in general, not specifically anything United have done wrong. To go over the problems, though, would just be to repeat the same tired cliches, and I'd rather spend that five minutes doing something slightly less useless.
And yet (like me ) you were around for relegation and the Liverpool years of glory. Two seasons of dreadful football you say , losing your attachment to the club ? Fergie brought riches like none before him and yet he didn't leave a management dynasty , tsk. The club changes all the time and the faith from a long lost past was not forged in total glory was it. This club , our club, will win titles again. The difference for a lot of football fans is that their view of the club is warped by the media 'view' of us , Woody in Spain = Neymar , Benzema or Bale is coming. Two wins out of two in the league and a European tie won = 'it's all gone wrong at Utd because Chelsea have Pedro , season now looks bleak
The bleating youth who post utter nonsense on here concerning how and who the club should buy , x-box managers who check EA sports stats before posting with their technical nous over who should be top of the transfer pile. Fellaini , young and Rooney derided. The constant idea that , although we won our last three matches , we should have picked a,b and c and bought him , him and him is just ill informed random streams of fantasy football manager forum talk. We had a colossus as a manager who brought unimaginable glory to the club. We should not expect a repeat performance , we do have our standards , lol. I do not see a club in crisis.
You make some very good points - and wholly agree with your sentiment. Perhaps my answer to the question was more a poor reflection on me. However, I strongly disagree with Rooney as captain, I still don't think we have a management concept (unlike Bayern Muenchen), and we no longer star in the youth world! To be fair there is a difference between a club in crisis, or lumbering, or stumbling. I didn't point to any of those simply that since 2008 I have not been convinced that a pensioner should have continued without putting in place his replacement.
No, I didn't miss them, but they are rare games amongst mostly uninspiring shite. My point is, my predominant memories recently are of inert football.
Let's put it this way..I'm on a holiday in Florence but I'm not going to miss the game.
I started following in the early 80's and given my Families history with the club my Mum ensured I knew the clubs history. I remember watching the 83 replay with my Mum and sat watching the 85 final in my Nans house. Maybe people have been spoilt with the success but I never forget, as those times can easily return. Football clubs are a different animal these days though. The financial returns are ridiculous. I still love United, but I find myself at times being bored with the football.
I don't feel the same way since Fergie left, that excitement of always knowing we could still win no matter how we were playing or how many goals we were down, its gone now and replaced with very little excitement.
Unfortunatley i have been a fan since the 80's and UTD is part of me now so i just go with the flow.
Unfortunatley i have been a fan since the 80's and UTD is part of me now so i just go with the flow.
Yesterday reflected how far we haven't advanced since Fergie retired. Bundles spent, crap football, two clueless cheque book I managers, a championship squad dissolved, and plastic fans more only interested in selfies and shirts. I'm too old to be conned by the timeless excuses that the present men in suits dream up. - especially the Pedro fiasco. That's why my faith is in decline.
Strange question this one. Feelings for the club do not change just because we play a bit shite and I am not always happy with the decisions taken by Woody and LvG.
Football and especially of course United have always been part of my life although it never had and will never have the importance as other things like family, work etc.
Football and especially of course United have always been part of my life although it never had and will never have the importance as other things like family, work etc.
I love Manchester United even more now.
I started to support it in the early 1990s. Losing the title in 1995 to Blackburn (on a single point) was heartbreaking for me. Then, I realized that I actually love this team and wasn't just attracted to it because of two consecutive title wins.
When I was younger, I followed football much more, including the Italian and Spanish leagues. However, over time, my focus on football became Manchester United. When you get older, studies, work and life in general take most of your attention, and football stops being what your life evolves around. That, however, does not apply to Manchester United. My calendar will always have the United games, my library has books about United and whatnot. On top of that, even though I live in the U.S., I am always trying not to miss any game of United, including those that start early in the morning my time (you know, watching football at 6:45 am is not that enjoyable). I insist to do it and there is nothing else in football that get even remotely close to that. I wouldn't wake up early to watch any other football match, barring maybe big World Cup matches or a decisive Classico in Spain.
I don't see why the last 2 years should make us like the team any less. If anything, it made me connect to it even more. You don't stop following the team because it struggles. Yes, I am used to see United winning and I believe that United will always find its way to win. It can stumble, but United is a team with a unique spirit and I will always believe in it. It's hard to describe how much I enjoyed our push in the last 20 minutes against Brugge last Tuesday: Old Trafford is pushing our players to score, just like in the old days. And, just like in the old days, United score....they always score!
I cannot understand loving the team any less because if you support a team, then you support the TEAM, not an individual player, manager or system. Maybe we have changed our style of play, but we are still Manchester United, and that's the team I love. The disappointments of the last two seasons will never shake that!
I started to support it in the early 1990s. Losing the title in 1995 to Blackburn (on a single point) was heartbreaking for me. Then, I realized that I actually love this team and wasn't just attracted to it because of two consecutive title wins.
When I was younger, I followed football much more, including the Italian and Spanish leagues. However, over time, my focus on football became Manchester United. When you get older, studies, work and life in general take most of your attention, and football stops being what your life evolves around. That, however, does not apply to Manchester United. My calendar will always have the United games, my library has books about United and whatnot. On top of that, even though I live in the U.S., I am always trying not to miss any game of United, including those that start early in the morning my time (you know, watching football at 6:45 am is not that enjoyable). I insist to do it and there is nothing else in football that get even remotely close to that. I wouldn't wake up early to watch any other football match, barring maybe big World Cup matches or a decisive Classico in Spain.
I don't see why the last 2 years should make us like the team any less. If anything, it made me connect to it even more. You don't stop following the team because it struggles. Yes, I am used to see United winning and I believe that United will always find its way to win. It can stumble, but United is a team with a unique spirit and I will always believe in it. It's hard to describe how much I enjoyed our push in the last 20 minutes against Brugge last Tuesday: Old Trafford is pushing our players to score, just like in the old days. And, just like in the old days, United score....they always score!
I cannot understand loving the team any less because if you support a team, then you support the TEAM, not an individual player, manager or system. Maybe we have changed our style of play, but we are still Manchester United, and that's the team I love. The disappointments of the last two seasons will never shake that!
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It's like asking...'Do you like your wife as much as you used to?'.....any genuine bloke will learn to love his wife's weaknesses as much as her strong points over time but anyone who is not so genuine will already be looking for some new muff as soon as the current muff doesn't appeal like it once did......unless of course she turns into a sweaty Sumo wrestler one day which in pretty much what happened under Moyes
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Lack of a starting 11 is my biggest gripe, even during Fergies final years!
I'm a bit laid back simply because I don't know whom to support. I mean I like the club, but weirdly have no favourite players currently.
I'm a bit laid back simply because I don't know whom to support. I mean I like the club, but weirdly have no favourite players currently.
and there I was thinking you support Arsenal.
But this season, we look to have almost a set starting XI bar the number 10 positions. So probably you could pick one of them this time around.
I understand you, but have different feelings. For nearly two decades, we had names like Giggs, Neville and Scholes (and for about a decade: Beckham, Butt, Keane and Phil Neville) who have been with Man United from "day one" and went on to win many trophies. Add to that Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra in the last decade or so and we always had players who gave it all to the team. It was really easy to love these players and feel connected to them. Remember, however, that Vidic and Evra, for example, joined us in their mid careers and yet managed to becomes legends of the club forever and a day. They earned our love because of what they have given the team over the years. This bring me to the next point: if Memphis, Januzaj, Herrera, Blind and others does well and give it all, why can't they become team legends too? I just think that we had many changes in the past 2-3 years, including on the touchline, that make it harder for us to connect yet to few of our new players, but that will come with time. When you see Blind bleeding to defend a goal lead, you will start to remember other legends. When you see Afroman killing himself to defend set pieces, you will remember the previous legends. That's the way football evolves. Manchester United will always be there!
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I still love the club like I used to. It's my liking for football and all the bullshit surrounding it that has diminished. I rarely watch other matches now. Liverpool if they are losing is okay to watch. I don't remember watching any games in the World Cup because of the time difference. In the past I would have got up early.
If the plan to pump balls to Fellaini's chest, then I may temporarily stop watching us until Van Gaal fecks off.