Do we need another right back as well?

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Well, do we?

Our first choice right back is excellent but for injuries.

Our second choice right back should be playing as co-first choice centre back and isn't good enough for us at right back anyway and our third choice right back already has two positions to cover for and he's much better in both anyway.


It's the least of our worries, with a left back, a midfielder and wingers still needed but I think if we weren't so desperate in those positions we'd notice how poor we have been in that area.


We've dropped points numerous times from a mistake there this season be it conceding dangerous fee kicks or failing to track a man. If Rafa was capable of staying for for more than a few weeks it wouldn't be an issue but I think it's another real trouble area for us.


On top of the defensive side, our right wing looks so much more threatening with a proper fullback playing.
 
Short answer: yes.

We need to stop treating RB as a position for giving jack-of-all-trade players more minutes.

The incentive to get proper back up for Raf is clear - we are far more threatening when a proper RB is in tandem with the RW.
 
I myself would play Fabio there as back up, obviously Moyes has seen something that makes him think otherwise. Why both he and SAF play/played Smalling there is beyond me, height I suppose, but that's all he offers.
 
Could and should be sorted for the next decade. Only Moyes can explain why that isn't the case.

Anyway, in short, not right now. Valencia is generally decent there. I prefer him at full back than on the wing and I wouldn't be averse to making this a full time transition as cover. Hopefully Varela can step up soon.

If not, then an older, experienced player that's happy to sit on the bench wouldn't be such a bad idea.
 
I don't really like Valencia there, I can think of a couple of examples this season where he's been at fault for us conceding a goal. He's just not a defender.
 
If we're not going to play Fabio then I'd like to see Vermijl given the back up role. Is he young enough to not be included in the 25 man squad?

I think Varela could be a cracking player too, he's very similar in style to Rafael so it'll be very interesting to see how he develops.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I myself would play Fabio there as back up, obviously Moyes has seen something that makes him think otherwise. Why both he and SAF play/played Smalling there is beyond me, height I suppose, but that's all he offers.
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Yeah, I'd use Fabio as cover for both RB and LB. For some reason he doesn't seem to be particularly rated though.
 
Yes we're needing a new right-back

Fabio: Whatever is the reason.......he has no future here

Varela: Very good talent.......but he'll be now in Uruguay for the next months

Vermijl: He plays every game for Nijmegen......but they're poor and i don't know him if he's good enough as back-up for Rafael

Kag said:
Could and should be sorted for the next decade. Only Moyes can explain why that isn't the case.

Anyway, in short, not right now. Valencia is generally decent there. I prefer him at full back than on the wing and I wouldn't be averse to making this a full time transition as cover. Hopefully Varela can step up soon.

If not, then an older, experienced player that's happy to sit on the bench wouldn't be such a bad idea.
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Valencia decent as right-back :lol: ....sorry mate......he's awful there

I can give you 5 games from this season.....only from this season.........where he has made a massive mistake as right-back
It's harsh to say.....but he is a stupid football player.

I know from his Twitter account that the death of his friend Benitez is still a massive problem for him
But he was rubbish as winger and right-back before that has happened

He had 1 1/2 great seasons here out of 4 1/2.......that's not good enough and he must go in the summer.
 
Pexbo said:
Well, do we?
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Yes. As Fabio has been banished we don't have a second choice right back. We have centre backs who play there despite having next to zero aptitude for the position. Christopher Smalling is categorically not a right back. He's about as much of a full back as Per Mertesacker or Gary Cahill. Could you imagine either of them bombing down the wing?

Rafael's a quality full back but his injury record is less than impressive. Ideally we could do with someone who could play more than one position. You know, like Fabio.
 
ItsAmy4Ever147 said:
Yes. As Fabio has been banished we don't have a second choice right back. We have centre backs who play there despite having next to zero aptitude for the position. Christopher Smalling is categorically not a right back. He's about as much of a full back as Per Mertesacker or Gary Cahill. Could you imagine either of them bombing down the wing?

Rafael's a quality full back but his injury record is less than impressive. Ideally we could do with someone who could play more than one position. You know, like Fabio.
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Jesus Liam yes or no or say something or nothing, you managed to say yes and make it last a paragraph yet feel like nothing.

Yes yes we do.
 
gasmanc said:
Jesus Liam yes or no or say something or nothing, you managed to say yes and make it last a paragraph yet feel like nothing.

Yes yes we do.
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Well it's a bit of yes and no really isn't it? No, we don't need another right back, we have the twins. Yes, we do need another right back, Fabio's fecked Moyes' daughter.

Personally I'd say we do, as Fabio doesn't ever look like playing again.
 
ItsAmy4Ever147 said:
Well it's a bit of yes and no really isn't it? No, we don't need another right back, we have the twins. Yes, we do need another right back, Fabio's fecked Moyes' daughter.

Personally I'd say we do, as Fabio doesn't ever look like playing again.
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No it's a yes.

Wasn't it Zaha that's done little miss Moyes ?
Fabio doesn't have sex, surely not.
 
Depends on Varela I think. I was honestly impressed enough with him to hope that if Rafael is unavailable, he was due for a game. A bit naive with the runs he makes forward, basically plays a pass and runs straight forward down the right whether its on or not. But aside from that he looks a solid right back in the making, its just really unfortunate whats happened with his family.
 
We can rule Fabio out. I think Fabio has decided to leave on a free. Moyes would have played him if not for that.

RB is not a big problem for us in my opinion. Plenty for Rafael's cover. And they are pretty decent too. Plus, which established player would want to come to us knowing they will play second fiddle to Rafael?
 
Galactic said:
I dont think it's about whether Moyes fancy Fabio or not, but since Fabio has decided to leave on a free, why would he give him minutes in games? Moyes priority is the future and clearly not this season.
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He has in all likely hood decided to leave because he wasn't getting any chance. Which has every thing to do with Moyes. No player in their right minds would commit to an extension from the bench when even in the past they hardly got games.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
He has in all likely hood decided to leave because he wasn't getting any chance. Which has every thing to do with Moyes. No player in their right minds would commit to an extension from the bench when even in the past they hardly got games.
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I disagree. Fabio didnt extend his contract and he let it run into his final year before Moyes entered the fray. He had the move in mind before Moyes come. Moyes has also given almost every players who Fergie played a chance, including Fabio. He started a game (in the league vs Palace in Sept) and came on as a late sub and scored (league cup vs Norwich in Oct). He didnt do too badly to be ignored by Moyes. It's unbelievable that sometimes people think they are much smarter than that dumb and clueless guy Moyes.
 
In my opinion we need to prioritise. CM first closely followed by injecting some quality on the flanks.
 
Valencia is a good right-back only when the ball in on our left wing.
 
No. Moyes just needs to play Fabio who should be playing every game Rafael misses because he's a far better option at RB than Valencia, Smalling and Jones. The position would, should and could be well covered.
 
Yes we do.
If we have the opportunity to buy a decent RB we should grab it. As good as Rafael is we can't rely on him at the moment, and that's a massive disadvantage when we are trying to get a bit of stability at the back.

If we could get a player of similar style, who could slot in when needed (at the moment it would be a lot) we would be stupid not to take it, as much as we need to strengthen elsewhere, having to play Smalling at RB is causing us all sorts off problems.
We have to change our style of play to much when Rafael is out, it takes away an attacking option.
 
We need a RB in the Rafael mode so when they have to play it doesn't affect our style of play. Jones and Smalling are primarily CB and cannot overlap. As people say, I don't understand why Fabio isn't getting played. Valencia is probably the best of a not very good bunch.
 
LR7 said:
No. Moyes just needs to play Fabio who should be playing every game Rafael misses because he's a far better option at RB than Valencia, Smalling and Jones. The position would, should and could be well covered.
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There must be a reason why both Ferguson and Moyes haven't been big fans of Fabio playing (at right-back). He hasn't been decent for 2.5 seasons... But yes, you know better than them.
 
Maciek said:
There must be a reason why both Ferguson and Moyes haven't been big fans of Fabio playing (at right-back). He hasn't been decent for 2.5 seasons... But yes, you know better than them.
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Apparently Moyes wasn't too keen on Rafael either and given his "now seeing what everybody's been telling me" comment a couple of weeks ago it's probably true. Fabio was good last season in the games he played on loan when he was fit, and I actually made an effort to watch quite a few of them. This season he hasn't been given a chance so I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that he hasn't been decent for 2.5 seasons.
 
LR7 said:
Apparently Moyes wasn't too keen on Rafael either and given his "now seeing what everybody's been telling me" comment a couple of weeks ago it's probably true. Fabio was good last season in the games he played on loan when he was fit, and I actually made an effort to watch quite a few of them. This season he hasn't been given a chance so I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that he hasn't been decent for 2.5 seasons.
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Because he hasn't impressed, has he? I know he could be a better option than Valencia and Smalling, mainly because he's always been a full-back, but managers see their players every day and I believe there is something we don't know. It's no surprise that fans are sentimental and I'm sure we still remember Fabio from the end of the 10-11 season, but after that he hardly proved he can be a left- or right-back, and it seems Ferguson and Moyes thought so as well.
 
Maciek said:
Because he hasn't impressed, has he? I know he could be a better option than Valencia and Smalling, mainly because he's always been a full-back, but managers see their players every day and I believe there is something we don't know. It's no surprise that fans are sentimental and I'm sure we still remember Fabio from the end of the 10-11 season, but after that he hardly proved he can be a left- or right-back, and it seems Ferguson and Moyes thought so as well.
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Isn't even about being sentimental. He isn't worse than Büttner at LB. Yet Büttner has been given far more chances to play despite being completelyshit. Fabio had one chance against Palace (?) where he was fine but hasn't seen the light of day again (apart from injury time against Norwich in the LC where he comes on on the wing and scores with pretty much his first touch). No one is saying throw him in to the toughest games but Evra has been on his last legs and we've played him in all the cups when he needs a rest and Fabio is more than capable of deputising, and nobody can tell me he can't at least do a job in his brothers place against lower league opposition. Had he been given a fair crack and still disappointed, nobody would have anything to moan about, but he hasn't and it's baffling.
 
Surely Fabio is more than capable of being cover or even pushing Rafael for the spot. But as we all know he's not getting a chance for whatever reason. Hasn't Fabio played 1-2 games this season and even got himself on the score sheet? I dont think he's been seen since he scored that goal.
 
No.

We have adequate cover in Fabio.

We also need to consider who we could attract as cover for Rafael. They will know they are only coming in as cover so in reality,we'd only attract either somebody young (can't imagine anybody better than Fabio or Varela as young talent) or a versatile player who can get games in a number of positions (can't imagine we could get anybody better than Jones/Valencia) or a journeyman after a pay day (who would be better than what we have?).
 
if we could get a player that would cover both right and left back in the phil neville mould then that would be great
 
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