Do we have enough goals in the squad?

One of the worst attacking units in the Premier league. Amad might have improved it with an extended run in the team as the wide right attacker, but if he's been moved to right rwb, the attack is now utterly shit.
 
Just saw a list of the top 32 top scorers in the league and not one United player in it. It's disgraceful really.
 
Until we get some better forwards, there isn't much any manager can do. Antony, Garnacho, Rashford, Højlund, Zirkzee, Amad. Even though I have hope for a couple of them, not one of them is good enough in their current state. Wouldn't surprise me if we end in the bottom third of goals scored this season. Sad state of affairs.
 
Ole'sgunnarwin said:
Just saw a list of the top 32 top scorers in the league and not one United player in it. It's disgraceful really.
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It’s fecking disgusting. Rashford needs to be fecking moved on. He’s hit his peak and he’s not good enough. He has his moments but he’s nowhere near good enough for a title challenging side if that’s what we want to be.
 
And people didn’t want Harry Kane. A guaranteed 30 goal a season striker that would have elevated our attack to a level we haven’t seen since we signed RVP.
 
Garethw said:
And people didn’t want Harry Kane. A guaranteed 30 goal a season striker that would have elevated our attack to a level we haven’t seen since we signed RVP.
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Harry Kane in this team under ten Hag would look like a clown. RvP under SAF is a whole different story.
 
Big mistake from Amorim to take Amad out of the attack yesterday as he's our best attacker by a mile.
 
Look at the balls into the striker stats and that’s your biggest problem. We simply do not pass or cross to the strikers anywhere near any other team does. Kane wouldn’t get anywhere near 20 here.
 
Last season was bad, but this season is dire.

McTominay was a decent foil for Hojlund last year. He could occupy a defender and stop the striker from becoming isolated. He was a goal threat.

Why we were happy to get rid of him I will never know. He was a very useful player to have around and a product of the youth system.

One of the problems that we constantly see is how isolated the strikers are. It's not just the lack of service but the lack of support.
 
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LDUred said:
Last season was bad, but this season is dire.

McTominay was a decent foil for Hojlund last year. He could occupy a defender and stop the striker from becoming isolated. He was a goal threat.

Why we were happy to get rid of him I will never know. He was a very useful player to have around and a product of the youth system.

One of the problems that we constantly see is how isolated the strikers are. It's not just the lack of service but the lack of support.
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Mctominay was home grown so pure profit according to FFP, so to allow other transfers, he was sold. ETH went on record that he didn't want him to go.
 
Can’t think of a worse set of forwards. Every single one of them are just average. We needed goals today and brought on Zirkzee and Antony to replace Mount and Hojlund who pretty much offer nothing in attack.

If it isn’t Bruno, Rashford or Garnacho then it’s nothing for us and all three of those have very very questionable general play outside of goal contributions.

We need a complete overhaul of our attack, we are going nowhere with this batch. Amorim is not a magician.
 
This has been the main issue from a squad perspective since SAF retired.

We just don't have enough players to contribute with goals.

We've never scored 80 league goals since he retired. We broke the 70 goal barrier only once.

We need to score way more goals.
 
El Jefe said:
Can’t think of a worse set of forwards. Every single one of them are just average. We needed goals today and brought on Zirkzee and Antony to replace Mount and Hojlund who pretty much offer nothing in attack.

If it isn’t Bruno, Rashford or Garnacho then it’s nothing for us and all three of those have very very questionable general play outside of goal contributions.

We need a complete overhaul of our attack, we are going nowhere with this batch. Amorim is not a magician.
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Completely agreed. For all I care, we could keep Amad and maybe Garnacho based his performances for the rest of the season. The rest of our attackers should be sold and then we should look at bringing in replacements and hope to hit the jackpot with a few of our academy players.

I mean, our luck can't possibly be worse than it's been for the last 10 years.
 
Going to be interesting how many survive from our attacking players under Amorim. I've long suspected we need an overhaul but as well we have some young players with potential and big issues with build up play from midfield to create those easy goals.

We're hoping Rashford will be our senior player but he seems to have lost his edge so there isn't much else. Do we go for his Sporting striker and some other more technical wide player in the summer.
 
I'd keep Hojlund as he has the qualities to be great (speed, strength, skills) and Amad as a backup winger, the rest of the attackers should go. With Zirkzee and a totally unreliable, inconsistent Rashford we will never score enough goals. Look at Chelsea. They are brilliant lately. Their starting striker, Jackson isn't even a class player but he's got a lot of support from the wingers and midfielders and scored already 8 goals. Wingers like Madueke for instance. We've got Hojlund who also could score, but we don't have our Madueke. That's the real issue. And I'm afraid the overhaul process will talke long as it won't be easy to get rid of our attackers and replace them, due to their high wages or/and no demand.
 
Our forward are not great, granted. But are they getting any service?

The biggest issue for me is they we struggle to progress the ball from front to back. If the opposition is in their rest defence, in their own half, like Arsenal were several times, or even Everton on Sunday, it is rare that we create a chance from it.

We need space in behind, which is why we scored 4 against Everton.
 
Clearly we dont have enough goals.

But is Gyokeres tried and tested enough to lead our front line? Id rather have Osimhen, who is actually available in January and for 70m.
 
I remember being excited about a front three from any of Martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho. The state of the attack now is shocking and you could argue that every team in the top half of the league has at least one (if not more) players who would walk into our first team
 
As it stands we might as well start giving the youth some game time towards the end of games where we are winning, to see how they hold up. Obi Martin or Biancheri (sorry about spelling) could have been given a chance at 3-0 against Everton. You never know until you try.
 
PlasticRed said:
Clearly we dont have enough goals.

But is Gyokeres tried and tested enough to lead our front line? Id rather have Osimhen, who is actually available in January and for 70m.
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Osimhen for 70 million is a no-brainer. Of course we won't pursue it, though.
 
We’re in desperate need of 2x proven goal scorers. Get those and we’d look a different prospect as other areas of the team are starting to come together.

Get these 2 and we are potentially challenging after Amorim gets us well drilled in his formation.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
We’re in desperate need of 2x proven goal scorers. Get those and we’d look a different prospect as other areas of the team are starting to come together.

Get these 2 and we are potentially challenging after Amorim gets us well drilled in his formation.
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Not just "proven goal scorers", just quality attackers in general who can both create and score while playing well in open play. We genuinely have probably 1 right now and he plays wingback, and then Bruno who is someone who will get a lot of G/A but play poorly too often in open play over 90 minutes in that position. The rest have absolutely rock bottom floor levels and are also inconsistent production wise.

I'll keep hammering on about it, but our attack is the clearest upgradeable part of the squad that needs an injection of quality ASAP.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Not just "proven goal scorers", just quality attackers in general who can both create and score while playing well in open play. We genuinely have probably 1 right now and he plays wingback, and then Bruno who is someone who will get a lot of G/A but play poorly too often in open play over 90 minutes in that position. The rest have absolutely rock bottom floor levels and are also inconsistent production wise.

I'll keep hammering on about it, but our attack is the clearest upgradeable part of the squad that needs an injection of quality ASAP.
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Agreed, we have zero world class players in attack now as Bruno is too inconsistent to be classed at that for me. We need to get a couple in to really propel this team forward. If up to me I’d spend everything we have in the Winter and Summer windows on those two world class attackers to take us to the next level. If we could get say a couple of Wirtz, Gyorkeres, Isak, level players to compliment what we already have we’d be challenging.

And before anyone says good luck with spending £200M on 2 players, realistically that’s what it’s going to take to get back to where we where.
 
We struggle for goals because we are over reliant on attackers like Garnacho, Diallo, Zirkzee, and Hojlund who arnt good enough to be regular starters in attack for a big 6 club thats looking to challenge for Premier Leagues and Champions Leagues, I dont think any of those players would get a start for any of the other 5 of the big 6 at the moment.
 
Todd said:
Yeah, I was damn close. I'll do the next ten league matches now, and in January we'll see how I did:

Leicester City (H): +2 (was +3)
Ipswich Town (A): +2 (was 0)
Everton (H): +1 (was +4)
Arsenal (A): -2 (was -2)
Forest (H): 0 (was -1)
City (A): -1
Bournemouth (H): +1
Wolves (A): +1
Newcastle (H): -1
Liverpool (A): -2

So, if my maths are correct that would give us a -2 differential and 28 points after 20 matches.
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Predicted a +3 differential in the first half of this stretch, and wound up on +4 albeit with 3 fewer points than predicted.

That being said, I think the differential is going to take a much bigger hit in the back half of this stretch than I initially predicted.
 
Approaching halfway through the season
Premier League top scorer: Rashford 4

5 teams have scored less than 20:

Man United
Everton
Crystal Palace
Ipswich
Southampton

Have we seen our attack improve in recent games? Do we have enough creativity? Anyone in the squad capable of going on a scoring run?
 
Ole'sgunnarwin said:
Approaching halfway through the season
Premier League top scorer: Rashford 4

5 teams have scored less than 20:

Man United
Everton
Crystal Palace
Ipswich
Southampton

Have we seen our attack improve in recent games? Do we have enough creativity? Anyone in the squad capable of going on a scoring run?
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I think our creativity will come after some better offensive structure / patterns of play so the attackers know where they need to be to support overlaps, cutbacks or quick switches.

We are definitely lacking quality on top, but there are goals in this team if we can build familiarity on the positioning.
 
Ole'sgunnarwin said:
Approaching halfway through the season
Premier League top scorer: Rashford 4

5 teams have scored less than 20:

Man United
Everton
Crystal Palace
Ipswich
Southampton

Have we seen our attack improve in recent games? Do we have enough creativity? Anyone in the squad capable of going on a scoring run?
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3 x no. Höjlund is on fire in the EL but the PL is a huge step up. Our attacking play is dire since our players are not good enough. It is very simple.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
The attack needs an overhaul.

Rashford, Hojlund, Zirkzee - out
Gernacho relegated to squad player.
3 new top quality attacking players brought in.

The decision making of the current lot is absolutely bloody shocking
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Without players sales, we won’t be bringing in any top quality attacking players.

So who will buy our players?
 
Not being able to score goals is a massive issue. You basically have to play perfect and not give up anything as you have no firepower to get back into a match and you don’t put other teams under pressure by scoring early.

It was clear as day that this would be an issue this season, and has been for a few, but has not been addressed. Going to be a lot more suffering without some goal scorers in the squad.
 
ManUnitedCanuck said:
Not being able to score goals is a massive issue. You basically have to play perfect and not give up anything as you have no firepower to get back into a match and you don’t put other teams under pressure by scoring early.

It was clear as day that this would be an issue this season, and has been for a few, but has not been addressed. Going to be a lot more suffering without some goal scorers in the squad.
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Goals hide everything. It's just insane how we keep signing the most useless attackers. Whoever decided after last season that Zirkzee was what we needed should be sacked
 
While I'm not going to be manager out or anything. Football isn't very complicated. He's taken a team who plays 4 at the back who can't score goals and instead has played 5 at the back.

When Rashford and Garnacho don't start there is zero pace up front. And has 5 at the back shored us up defensively? No we're probably worse.
 
ManUnitedCanuck said:
Not being able to score goals is a massive issue. You basically have to play perfect and not give up anything as you have no firepower to get back into a match and you don’t put other teams under pressure by scoring early.

It was clear as day that this would be an issue this season, and has been for a few, but has not been addressed. Going to be a lot more suffering without some goal scorers in the squad.
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I would argue it has been addressed but the sancho, Anthony and zirkzee deals were so horrendously bad it's made it very difficult to then improve things.
 
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