Do the fans actually trust ETH or is he walking the Green Mile?

It's possible to like and trust the manager, while not agreeing with absolutely everything he says or does. What's the point in discussing anything on this forum, if it comes down to ETH being right on everything?

No person is right about everything. Every manager makes mistakes. The fans can criticise decisions that they believe are wrong.
 
CloneMC16 said:
It's possible to like and trust the manager, while not agreeing with absolutely everything he says or does. What's the point in discussing anything on this forum, if it comes down to ETH being right on everything?

No person is right about everything. Every manager makes mistakes. The fans can criticise decisions that they believe are wrong.
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This is what I would term a reasonable position…
 
CloneMC16 said:
It's possible to like and trust the manager, while not agreeing with absolutely everything he says or does. What's the point in discussing anything on this forum, if it comes down to ETH being right on everything?

No person is right about everything. Every manager makes mistakes. The fans can criticise decisions that they believe are wrong.
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Not unreasonable no, I'm just surprised at some of the terms used
 
He's always going to be questioned if he doesn't get a result, even Ferguson got that at times, but Ten Hag's my choice, things look promising, and it's the people at the club who need to trust him and see where he takes us.
 
Just by the way football fans have opinions and they won't always line up with what a manager does. People disagreed with what fergie did loads. It's natural.
 
Yes, the only question I have is over whether he'll be backed long term in future transfer windows.

And no I don't agree with every tactical decision he has made so far particularly playing Eriksson away against Arsenal but even in his short time here so far he has shown an ability to get things right on far more occasions than he has got it wrong(imo) so deserves trust for that alone.
 
people keep going on and on about ten hag and how hes the right manager but we also thought the same of ole, to most posters managers are only trusted as long as theyre winning. this thread is an example, only after we got beat by arsenal and eriksen got "injured" by a donkey was this thread created.
 
tenpoless said:
people keep going on and on about ten hag and how hes the right manager but we also thought the same of ole, to most posters managers are only trusted as long as theyre winning. this thread is an example, only after we got beat by arsenal and eriksen got "injured" by a donkey was this thread created.
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It was created before Eriksen was injured
 
For the first time since Sir Alex I'm actually very patient with a United manager and trust him 100%.

I love the way we play even though at times the results don't go our way. There is definite progress under this guy.

Patience is needed now more than ever from the supporters but not just for the manager, but our players too. There are some that have improved massively over the past few months.
 
You can’t only have positive things on a football forum intended for discussion.

I think he’s doing brilliantly.
 
I think everyone trusts the manager - but that doesn't mean every decision the manager makes is the right one. And it certainly doesn't mean that every fan agrees with every decision. ETH makes a lot of mistakes, but he makes a lot less mistakes than what every person in here would have done in his position. That is why he is the manager and we are fans. But that doesn't mean that every decision he makes is better than the one 5 random fans in here would make. If ETH makes 100 decisions during a game, maybe 95 of them are correct and 5 are wrong. But that also means that someone in here can point out that he did make a mistake in 5 situations.

Or maybe ETH made the right decision but the outcome still ended up being wrong. Take the Casemiro yellow card against Palace - a lot of people wanted ETH to rest Casemiro so he could play against Arsenal. For 80 minutes ETH's plan worked perfectly - we were 1-0 up and Casemiro did not get a yellow. Then both things backfired. But - if we hadn't played Casemiro, we might have lost against Palace - and we might still have lost agaainst Arsenal.

Add to that - we haven't got the information ETH has. We can complain about not signing a player, or about a player we actually signed. But we have no idea what options are available both in terms of money and players. For all we know, the board may have told ETH we wont sign any more players unless we can get the player on loan. Or the board may have said - we can sign this and that player if we can find a cheap option. Regardless, ETH saw Weghorst as the best option. If that was correct, it's impossible to tell. There probably are 50 players out there who would have been a better option that Weghorst. But its impossible to say if any of them would have available, and available as fast as Weghorst was. So maybe the 50th best striker was the first who fit the criterias: a) affordable b) available c) physical presence d) could make immediate impact rather needing time to adapt.

So some fans might actually get it more right than ETH once in a while. But I think most fans understand that ETH will get it more right a lot more times than some fans will - and that is why he is our manager, and that is why the majority of us trust him a little more for each win.
 
TsuWave said:
The overall consensus is that people are behind him, but managers aren't infallible and can make mistakes and people should voice their concerns and criticisms. It's a forum after all.
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Sooo, what mistakes did Ten Hag make?
 
You‘ll find that if you analyse Ten Hag‘s decisions, they make good sense. Only in hindsight you could criticize certain decisions, because of what transpired in a game, but it could have gone differently.

It is baffling to me that people wanted to rotate heavily against Reading. That could have easily resulted in a draw or loss.

A manager takes informed gambles with his selections and subs, but they don‘t always work out.
 
Red in STL said:
Lack of rotation seems to be the main one and buying Antony
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Nonsense, we don‘t have a bench strong enough to rotate heavily. We are not yet as strong as City.

Antony is improving every game. Too early to write him off don‘t you think? Who would you have bought instead of Antony?
 
NLunited said:
Nonsense, we don‘t have a bench strong enough to rotate heavily. We are not yet as strong as City.

Antony is improving every game. Too early to write him off don‘t you think? Who would you have bought instead of Antony?
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You don't need squad as strong as City to rotate vs Reading at Old Trafford FFS, it's fine people can trust EtH and still question few of his decisions.

Maybe his thinking was he can rotate vs Forest as it's a tie that's almost as good as done.

People moaning about squad, this is the same squad playing like dog shit finished 6th and then in top 4 in 2 seasons before that. You can't have 25 superstar players in the squad.
 
roonster09 said:
You don't need squad as strong as City to rotate vs Reading at Old Trafford FFS, it's fine people can trust EtH and still question few of his decisions.

Maybe his thinking was he can rotate vs Forest as it's a tie that's almost as good as done.

People moaning about squad, this is the same squad playing like dog shit finished 6th and then in top 4 in 2 seasons before that. You can't have 25 superstar players in the squad.
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I think Ten Hag disagrees with you. A heavily rotated squad means you are willing to throw the game. Making a few rotations is fine as long as you trust the players. I think that is the issue here. Hag put out a team he thought could do the job.

A weaker line up could easily have run into trouble. It was 0-0 at halftime.

The same people moaning about rotation wanted to replace the whole squad last season, including the likes of Rashford, Varane and Shaw.

I expected a strong line up and think we will see more rotation on Wednesday. But Hag will put out a squad that won‘t run into trouble.
 
Wibble said:
I think he has done a remarkale job turning things around.
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Absolutely. He’s been brilliant. We’ve gone from a club in depression where the fans detested the entire squad to possibly a top 4 finish and a huge sense of positivity.
 
NLunited said:
I think Ten Hag disagrees with you. A heavily rotated squad means you are willing to throw the game. Making a few rotations is fine as long as you trust the players. I think that is the issue here. Hag put out a team he thought could do the job.

A weaker line up could easily have run into trouble. It was 0-0 at halftime.

The same people moaning about rotation wanted to replace the whole squad last season, including the likes of Rashford, Varane and Shaw.

I expected a strong line up and think we will see more rotation on Wednesday. But Hag will put out a squad that won‘t run into trouble.
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I’m glad we played a strong team. We are what 5 years without a trophy? That’s shambolic for a club of this stature. Every cup has to be considered to be critical this season. That should be the mentality. Top 3 or top 4 in the end is the same thing really.
 
NLunited said:
I think Ten Hag disagrees with you. A heavily rotated squad means you are willing to throw the game. Making a few rotations is fine as long as you trust the players. I think that is the issue here. Hag put out a team he thought could do the job.

A weaker line up could easily have run into trouble. It was 0-0 at halftime.

The same people moaning about rotation wanted to replace the whole squad last season, including the likes of Rashford, Varane and Shaw.

I expected a strong line up and think we will see more rotation on Wednesday. But Hag will put out a squad that won‘t run into trouble.
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Shame SAF didn't know this and he kept rotating his squad so much that we didn't field same 11 in consecutive games for some 150+ games. Maybe he always wanted to throw away the game and somehow kept winning.

And stop with "moaning" nonsense, this is a discussion forum. Saying we should or could have rotated against Reading is not moaning, it's discussion. Did anyone have a go at EtH? If so they deserve the stick. People should stop this black or white discussions, if they like the manager then every decision is good and if they don't then every decision is bad.

I'm one of the few who thought we should have rotated against Reading and my posts about Rashford speaks for themselves, so one more point which doesn't make any sense. Maybe @KM @Ali Dia @El Jefe can vouch for me on Rashford posts.

We should be trusting our squad, ultimately EtH knows better than every single member of this forum, I mean the player quality and also their work load stats, so they make informed decision but there is nothing wrong with discussing on lack of rotations. Players like Fred, Granacho are good enough to start against Reading.
 
CloneMC16 said:
It's possible to like and trust the manager, while not agreeing with absolutely everything he says or does. What's the point in discussing anything on this forum, if it comes down to ETH being right on everything?

No person is right about everything. Every manager makes mistakes. The fans can criticise decisions that they believe are wrong.
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Yeah, I can name 10 times I was mad at Ferguson. This forum is basically for discussing those sorts of things, overhyping youth players and asking people who follow a league if a new transfer to the Prem is any good.
 
NLunited said:
Nonsense, we don‘t have a bench strong enough to rotate heavily. We are not yet as strong as City.

Antony is improving every game. Too early to write him off don‘t you think? Who would you have bought instead of Antony?
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Those are the two main areas that he gets flak on, I don't go along with it personally
 
We've been burned a few times and had plenty of false dawns, so it's understandable that people still have their reservations. That said, it's been a good season so far and there's really not much reason to doubt him at this point.
 
Given the posts in this thread I'm not sure that a large % of the CAF do trust ETH, seems to me that it's turning in to the player threads.

Personally I think he's made some mistakes but overall he's doing good, he's a manager not a miracle worker!
 
I have a somewhat irrational fear that this club is cursed and thus turns everyone to shite. Good players, good managers, possibly even good tea ladies and janitors. Everyone seems to regress when joining Manchester United. As such, it's hard to trust anyone now.

I have more trust in him than I had in any post-Fergie manager though.
 
EtH has done a very good job this season, him and his staff.

I trust him 100% and that goes for his staff as well. The backroom staff of analysts, data scientists, etc should only improve as well.

The defensive shape, philosophy, and most importantly the accountability and demands he's place on the squad this year has been refreshing and shows he's a winner.

He's not Harry Potter and the necessary time must be given to someone like him. Must turnover more of the squad and get proper first team players in the matchday squad.
 
Any relationship built on trust creates a healthy environment for honest criticism.

Yes some of us go overboard after a bad result but most are level headed concerns

Some will be resolved in the transfer market, other issues too he needs to learn from this season going forward.

If he does we will be better next season
 
Siorac said:
I have a somewhat irrational fear that this club is cursed and thus turns everyone to shite. Good players, good managers, possibly even good tea ladies and janitors. Everyone seems to regress when joining Manchester United. As such, it's hard to trust anyone now.

I have more trust in him than I had in any post-Fergie manager though.
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It’s an incredibly badly run club that was previously incredibly well run.

The decisions from the very top down are almost universally poor and at times outright negligent.

In truth, ETH is probably a Spurs level manager - which is not to be sniffed at, but so unbelievably bad have the decisions been from Utd post SAF that people are (understandably) wilful to believe he’s the guy to take on Guardiola, Klopp and now Newcastle - he isn’t, but he’s a good manager.

It depends really on what your ambitions are as Man Utd fans.
 
I trust him and his team - I do not trust any of the establishment around them, as this summer may yet prove if the Glazers keep taking their time.
 
It's obvious to see the improvement with what he has to work with. We've been hit with injuries, massive fixture congestion, a mid season WC, the Ronaldo fiasco, and players that are not performing to the standard they're expected to. Several have been a major letdown. We've won a cup, went deep in EL, and look like we're going to finish in top 4 barring any disastrous meltdowns. If the club is sold, I expect things to be very different next season.

Edit: I forgot we're also in the FA Cup final.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
It’s an incredibly badly run club that was previously incredibly well run.

The decisions from the very top down are almost universally poor and at times outright negligent.

In truth, ETH is probably a Spurs level manager - which is not to be sniffed at, but so unbelievably bad have the decisions been from Utd post SAF that people are (understandably) wilful to believe he’s the guy to take on Guardiola, Klopp and now Newcastle - he isn’t, but he’s a good manager.

It depends really on what your ambitions are as Man Utd fans.
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So you think Howe is a better manager than ETH?
 
I trust that he can coach a team to be good in possession (with the right players).

I've always had - and still do - have concerns about his coaching out of possession with our pressing, compactness in defence, etc.

I absolutely do not trust him in the transfer market.

That's why the next transfer window is make or break. If we get the right players, I believe he'll coach us to be good enough in possession that it somewhat negates our defensive vulnerability, but it entirely depends on signing multiple press resistant players, which is unlikely as we have trouble signing one.
 
I definitely trust him. There has definitely been mistakes on his part, no doubt. But apart from that this is as much as I was expecting from his first season in charge - top 4 (hopefully) and a trophy (and possibly another trophy), after the shit show of last season and basically having no striker all year too.

It's fairly obvious from the manager thread that alot of the fans bashing him had unrealistic expectations for this season, I'm convinced they expected a title challenge straight away. That was completely unrealistic, we had, and still have, a mish mash of players from different managers who played different styles that it was always going to take a few windows to sort it all out. Be patient people, because constantly sacking managers and starting all over again is not the way to go.
 
The ones that understand the implications of playing midweek fixtures every single week for 5 months straight do. Feel sorry for the unfortunate ones that don’t understand this tbh.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
It’s an incredibly badly run club that was previously incredibly well run.

The decisions from the very top down are almost universally poor and at times outright negligent.

In truth, ETH is probably a Spurs level manager - which is not to be sniffed at, but so unbelievably bad have the decisions been from Utd post SAF that people are (understandably) wilful to believe he’s the guy to take on Guardiola, Klopp and now Newcastle - he isn’t, but he’s a good manager.

It depends really on what your ambitions are as Man Utd fans.
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I am not sure we were incredibly well run as you put it by modern football's standards. We were privileged to have one of the greatest leaders in the history of sports who had built the modern club but only he could run it in that way. The model was never sustainable which is something that was predicted during SAF's later years. We were always going to have to modernise to keep up with how modern clubs were being built like Chelsea and City and how the European powerhouses modernised with time because they never gave as much authority to the head coach.

Ed Woodward was clearly not the man to do that and his era was a sporting failure. The Glazers made the fatal mistake of not appointing football people in key roles to run the sporting side of operations. The new structure is still new and it will take a couple more years to see how it's being implemented and what results it yields. I trust EtH, he is the first choice that fits a vision that we have made since SAF left and all the flaws his first season are showing, are justifiable in my view. Doing any better than we are doing now and that would be a miracle considering where we were. If we don't continue improving over the next two seasons, now that would be another failure but for now, it's the most progress we had for a decade which is good in my book.
 
Theres clearly just way too much trash leftover in this squad to fully hold it against EtH. I understand taking the year to really test out players with how worthless our transfer department has been in general. This next window unfortunately will prob make or break the next season. That is why it is so important we limp thru and get top 4 this year. Need every possible positive for recruitment. This squad needs an absolute complete turnover with pretty much any depth option and several of the starting positions. Ive seen a lot of good passages of play go to waste due to just dumbass players or a weak link letting down the overall movement.
 
UDontMessWith24 said:
The ones that understand the implications of playing midweek fixtures every single week for 5 months straight do. Feel sorry for the unfortunate ones that don’t understand this tbh.
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The fact that as the seasons worn on we have almost uniformly performed well in first halves & then fallen apart in the second is as close to concrete evidence that this is the issue as it’s possible to get…

It’s obviously unclear at this point whether he’ll be a truly top tier manager yet, and his decisions are far from perfect at all times, but the fatigue is incredibly obvious, and so far he’s objectively done incredibly well with his lot this season.
 
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