That's true maybe more for Onana than Antony but fair assesment nonetheless.
Did we waste €200 million this summer?
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Wing Attack Plan R
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I hope we go for Ivan Toney in January.
NoPace
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I went over the next most expensive signing that same summer in a similar position/role that wasn't to a comparably big club for our over 28 signings and got this:
Casemiro - Matheus Nunes or Amadou Onana
Varane - Gvardiol, Zouma, Tomori or Kumbulla
Cristiano - Daka or Cunha (higher fee, much lower wages)
Matic - Tielemans, Paredes, Renato Sanches,
Sanchez - Carrasco, Lucas Moura, Nicola Pepe (to Lille), Ismaila Sarr
Pretty much what you'd figure.
#8 - We're in better shape squad-wise, but production so far slightly down.
CB - Production down but not a ton because of Varane always being hurt, possibly a gem if Gvardiol would have come here instead of the Leipzig star path. Is Kumbulla any good?
#9 - We have a solid backup in place or guy to compete with Hojlund, but less production that one Cristiano season.
#6 - I think Paredes would have done okay here but frustrating at times. Tielemans same but maybe post-Fergie united we destroy an inconsistent talent like him.
W - Frustrating guys, decent talent. Carrasco would have been helpful but not a star. Lucas is done already, he was just okay. Pepe probably fails here to but you never know, he has talent. Sarr same.
We got 5-6 decent seasons out of that group of older players (Cristiano 1, Matic I'll approximate as 2, Varane let's say 1.5 and Casemiro 1 so far) out of paying them a ton in wages and an extra 10-15M or so a year in fees (big saving in midfield, medium at the rest).
Normally I'd add another 2 guys of similar quality to that group with the money saved in fees and wages, but we'd have probably qualified for less European prize money in that time and sponsorship money, so maybe that evens out, though my guess is that sponsor money is heavily impacted by being in the Champions League so maybe even a slight loss here.
So, what have we learned? I have no idea. My only real takeaways are that it's hard to sign good players, only Gvardiol seems like a real difference maker and we'd be in better shape squad-wise (maybe not financially, as probably less CL games, though maybe we make up some of that in the other 2 competitions) in the future if we'd bought younger players in the past.
Maybe the rest of you can draw some conclusions I can't see.
Casemiro - Matheus Nunes or Amadou Onana
Varane - Gvardiol, Zouma, Tomori or Kumbulla
Cristiano - Daka or Cunha (higher fee, much lower wages)
Matic - Tielemans, Paredes, Renato Sanches,
Sanchez - Carrasco, Lucas Moura, Nicola Pepe (to Lille), Ismaila Sarr
Pretty much what you'd figure.
#8 - We're in better shape squad-wise, but production so far slightly down.
CB - Production down but not a ton because of Varane always being hurt, possibly a gem if Gvardiol would have come here instead of the Leipzig star path. Is Kumbulla any good?
#9 - We have a solid backup in place or guy to compete with Hojlund, but less production that one Cristiano season.
#6 - I think Paredes would have done okay here but frustrating at times. Tielemans same but maybe post-Fergie united we destroy an inconsistent talent like him.
W - Frustrating guys, decent talent. Carrasco would have been helpful but not a star. Lucas is done already, he was just okay. Pepe probably fails here to but you never know, he has talent. Sarr same.
We got 5-6 decent seasons out of that group of older players (Cristiano 1, Matic I'll approximate as 2, Varane let's say 1.5 and Casemiro 1 so far) out of paying them a ton in wages and an extra 10-15M or so a year in fees (big saving in midfield, medium at the rest).
Normally I'd add another 2 guys of similar quality to that group with the money saved in fees and wages, but we'd have probably qualified for less European prize money in that time and sponsorship money, so maybe that evens out, though my guess is that sponsor money is heavily impacted by being in the Champions League so maybe even a slight loss here.
So, what have we learned? I have no idea. My only real takeaways are that it's hard to sign good players, only Gvardiol seems like a real difference maker and we'd be in better shape squad-wise (maybe not financially, as probably less CL games, though maybe we make up some of that in the other 2 competitions) in the future if we'd bought younger players in the past.
Maybe the rest of you can draw some conclusions I can't see.
RiqCantona
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I think depends on 'what" we've spent money on. We've spent about €450m in 2022 and 2023. But if you talk about waste, we've wasted €95m on one player, which is Anthony.
Anthony for me was the worst of the lot. There are at least 20 other better players who would've cost the same, if not less.
As per this summer, I am still undecided over Onana and Mount. Its still too early. They cost a combined €115m, but could we have gotten better players for that amount? I'm not entirely sure.
Anthony for me was the worst of the lot. There are at least 20 other better players who would've cost the same, if not less.
As per this summer, I am still undecided over Onana and Mount. Its still too early. They cost a combined €115m, but could we have gotten better players for that amount? I'm not entirely sure.
Andycoleno9
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Me too but no way that we will do it.I hope we go for Ivan Toney in January.
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Do you know its not a bad shout I've not been his biggest fan , but who knows he's got arrogance bit of a swagger maybe at OT he could handle it..I hope we go for Ivan Toney in January.
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Do you know its not a bad shout I've not been his biggest fan , but who knows he's got arrogance bit of a swagger maybe at OT he could handle it..
I think he can handle the OT pressure but I very much doubt we can afford him right now and rumours of Arsenal being interested. What sane person would be choosing the mess we are in the moment with other great options available. The one thing we can pretty much guarantee is game time
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