No. PSG did. Pogba transfer was well within the line of past great players being transferred. Neymar being transferred for about a 500m. total investment is outrageous though, and I hope PSG pays for it.
Did we open the floodgate with Pogba transfer?
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Transfers are always gonna raise steadily and have since the beginning of money moves in football. But I kinda agree with OP, PSG splashing out 200m on a single player will skip about 4-5 years ahead in market prices.
Realistically pre-Neymar Dembele would have went for £60-70m due to his age and ceiling. Countinho on the other hand, apart from being overrated would be worth £75m just for the simple fact Liverpool would not have to sell. I wouldn't pay £40m for him if I'm being honest.
Realistically pre-Neymar Dembele would have went for £60-70m due to his age and ceiling. Countinho on the other hand, apart from being overrated would be worth £75m just for the simple fact Liverpool would not have to sell. I wouldn't pay £40m for him if I'm being honest.
PL football still has plenty of global growth opportunity in USA, India, and China and through new technologies like Virtual Reality. Likewise, record TV revenues are also often being boosted with sugar daddy investor money which adds a new source of finance. So clubs will continue to increase revenues.
However, no matter how much more money clubs earn, they can still only play 11 players at once and have around 24 in a squad. And so transfer fees will always be relative to the amount of money circulating within the game.
I suspect prices will continue to rise for quite a few more years.
However, no matter how much more money clubs earn, they can still only play 11 players at once and have around 24 in a squad. And so transfer fees will always be relative to the amount of money circulating within the game.
I suspect prices will continue to rise for quite a few more years.
If any of our major deals helped reset the market, I would say it was paying 36m with add-ons bringing it up to 56m on Martial. Martial was the cheapest and least proven, but that combined with the James Rodriquez, KDB and Sterling I would say changed the marketplace more than any other transfer before Neymar. It set a new price for high-end players who at most had one elite year to their name (James and KDB) but were far from established world-class talents, or were players with bags of potential but still on the upswing (Sterling and Martial). I'd say Pogba's deal was reflective of those deals before him, he had 4 full seasons at Juventus, two to three where he played at a very high-level (on top of strong performances for France, especially at the WC) and was quite young for a position where most players don't become elite til their mid to late 20's.
Neymar's deal lives in a different universe, and the fees for Dembele and Mbappe are reflective of that deal and the price for high-end young attackers.
Neymar's deal lives in a different universe, and the fees for Dembele and Mbappe are reflective of that deal and the price for high-end young attackers.
No. Pogba's transfer is within the football inflationary curve. The Neymar thing is something else
The sheiks have changed the rules of the game. Even European giants will have a hard time keeping up. Question is if this is a bubble or it is here to stay
The sheiks have changed the rules of the game. Even European giants will have a hard time keeping up. Question is if this is a bubble or it is here to stay
Is £198m for Neymar that ridiculous when compared to other transfers that took place this year?
£75m for Lukaku, £45m for Sigurdsson, £70m for Morata, £50m for Mendy and £50m for Walker...Then you also have Higuain for £80m last year and Stones for £50m, and I've probably forgot someone too, plus rejected £65m bid for Keita and van Dijk being priced at £60m or more.
To put this in perspective, would it be outrageous 3-5 years ago if Lukaku went for £25m, Sigurdsson for £15m, Morata for £22m, Mendy for £17m and Walker for £18m, while Neymar cost £65m? No, it'd probably make complete sense. Transfer fees have basically increased 300% over the last 2 years or so.
No Pogba transfer didn't open the floodgates. The transfer fee was incrementally higher than the previous record (Bale/Ronaldo). But it was 3 years on from Bale and 7 years after Ronaldo moved to Real. In that time the gap between deals for lesser players to the top European clubs and the record narrowed substantially.
Neymar' deal is the first since Ronaldo involving one of the worlds top 2/3 players so not surprising that it is significantly higher than the previous record (which was broadly unchanged in 7 years).
The immediate boost to the values of Coutinho, Dembele etc is in response to Barca having 200m to spend. If Barca weren't interested in them their realistic price would be 80-100m in my opinion.
Neymar' deal is the first since Ronaldo involving one of the worlds top 2/3 players so not surprising that it is significantly higher than the previous record (which was broadly unchanged in 7 years).
The immediate boost to the values of Coutinho, Dembele etc is in response to Barca having 200m to spend. If Barca weren't interested in them their realistic price would be 80-100m in my opinion.
I'd sort of start looking at how much Neymar's transfer really cost, the Santos-Barca one, and I mean how much it really cost, including all the cash paid to his father and some other dodgy shit that occurred back then.
He was like what, 20 at that time? And he went for pretty much the same type of cash that was paid for Bayol when you add all shit up.
He was like what, 20 at that time? And he went for pretty much the same type of cash that was paid for Bayol when you add all shit up.
I really don't get the football is growing out of touch comments. Was it really in touch when the transfer fee was 10 million and players were making less money? Why does it really matter to you how much players are making or clubs are paying in fees for you to relate with the game? Is it pure jealousy of money involved because for me the money is simply a number and the only thing that matters is how United are doing as a team.
I don't believe it's necessarily us. Yes we played a part in it with the Pogba fee, but I think you need to look at the Chinese clubs and how much they payed for a lot of average players and you get your real answer as to what eh cause is. I think a lot of selling clubs took the approach of, "why sell to Europe, when we could get X amount from China?" It resulted in the European market getting inflated in order to compete for these players once more.
Psg bought David Luiz, who was known to be suspect as a defender for 50m GBP about 3 seasons before we bought Pogba. John stones went for the same price in the same window and he wasn't even in the top 5 centre backs of the Premier League.
On that basis I'd go with no.
On that basis I'd go with no.
I don't think so. Dembele would probably have gone for a little more than Pogba, considering his age and recognized talent.
Coutinho on the other hand, if he really goes for 140, would be opening the floodgates from here...
It's something that will explode at one point, players overrated by the 300%
Pogba deal really starts looking like a bargain
Didnt Juventus also pay close to 75m for Higuain?
It's like the subprime business in 2007 
Notice that this doesn't even include the new TV deal, or the sale of international rights and rights to China in particular.
The 300% Increase is perfectly in line with that if you're gonna compare prices from 2004. The outrage in this thread would have been much more pertinent, had it occurred when that deal was announced.
The price of any one transfer is just a consequence of the inflation. Inflation is caused by the total quantity of money in football, not Manchester United doing a transfer. The solipsism on these boards is remarkable at times.
Yep we did...
Last season everyone scoffed and laughed, "89M????
" and now they are saying "oh no no no, United couldn't affect the market, no no no your not a big enough club" Or statements to that effect from the old reliable ABU section.Pogbas fee set a standard for a "very good but not world class, player" "I mean, I look at him and i think, is he going to win you games the way a Ronaldo or Messi would and i think, no. 89M is an awful lot of money for what is a basic midfielder. Crazy money too much money...." Jamie Carrrraggghhkkkher. The biased cnut, feck off with your toeing the club line
It's probably also true that Pogba would be even more expensive this season. But there is no denying we were first out the gate and sent the message to the world. That the money in the game is huge, more than you would imagine. Because, be sure of one thing, to United the deal made financial sense and if it can make sense to us then it can make sense to others. I for one think we bought a goodun. Yes he needs help and he is not the finished article but by God that lad can play. And now this season and especially after the France England game, I think a lot of pundits were made to eat a little humble pie. The Veil of Bias had been magicly swept from their eyes.
This season 89M is starting to look like money well spent, bit to go yet I agree but if his form keeps up and he adds a more clever as opposed to hollywood element to his game. Sooner or later others will have no choice but to agree, Kicking n screaming for some.
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No. Ronaldo and bale transfers had already happened.
Frankly i was fine last summer with the price paid for Pogba, and now he looks even more like good business.
Still, im never sure why people are so obsessed by turning the fee's in football into a big controversy. There's nothing irregular about them.
The same would be the case for any industry making the same money, with similar lines of expenditure.
Would people prefer it if the owners were still spending 30 mill on superstars and pocketing 200mill+ a year out of the clubs?
Still, im never sure why people are so obsessed by turning the fee's in football into a big controversy. There's nothing irregular about them.
The same would be the case for any industry making the same money, with similar lines of expenditure.
Would people prefer it if the owners were still spending 30 mill on superstars and pocketing 200mill+ a year out of the clubs?
Yeah, that's a terse refutation of this nonsense.
Imagine if we had left it until this summer to sign him?
We'd be looking at close to 200m.
We'd be looking at close to 200m.
Imagine if we bought zidane, figo and Roberto Carlos.. 100m and change
Tbh the US sports have seemed to do it well, considering they are the most capitalist country on the planet!
Wage caps, emphasis on youth product, can't just buy a super team overnight, etc
Wage caps, emphasis on youth product, can't just buy a super team overnight, etc
United have played their part in the transfer market inflation, but it wasn't with the Pogba transfer.
Neymar did it.
There's no way Dembele and Coutinho would be valued at 135m-200m if it wasn't for Neymar to PSG.
There's no way Dembele and Coutinho would be valued at 135m-200m if it wasn't for Neymar to PSG.
Nope, Trevor Francis did.
United opened a small hole in the gate. Neymar destroyed it entirely.
Though walking marketing entity Neymar is a bargain in the big picture.
Though walking marketing entity Neymar is a bargain in the big picture.
The reality is that transfer fees will always be relative to the amount of money in the game in general, and specifically how much cash flow a club has at its disposal.
It's better to judge fee's as a % of a club's profits, rather than YearOnYear and vs each other, to get a proper indication of how much risk a club is taking.
The new TV deals were always going to increase transfer fees. TV deal will continue to increase over next few years as there is still plenty of viewer growth to be had from countries like US, India, and China, which will increase a broadcasters ad revenues.
Taking the above into account, and seeing this year's fee's pan out, Pogba's deal was in line with the market trends, maybe even slightly lower, but we were slightly ahead of the trend.
It's better to judge fee's as a % of a club's profits, rather than YearOnYear and vs each other, to get a proper indication of how much risk a club is taking.
The new TV deals were always going to increase transfer fees. TV deal will continue to increase over next few years as there is still plenty of viewer growth to be had from countries like US, India, and China, which will increase a broadcasters ad revenues.
Taking the above into account, and seeing this year's fee's pan out, Pogba's deal was in line with the market trends, maybe even slightly lower, but we were slightly ahead of the trend.
I think Juv did with Higuain. After dragging out the transfer for so long, they got a great price, at the time for Pogba, and decided to spend 90% of it within days on a fat 29 year old
No. It's just that the majority of fans seem incapable of working how that when the clubs revenues go through the roof transfer fees and wages will follow, it's not complicated and nothings changed.