Di Maria replacement if he decides to leave

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Does any1 else think letting him go would be the biggest mistake since giving away Pogba?
 
doomy20 said:
Does any1 else think letting him go would be the biggest mistake since giving away Pogba?
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We didn't give Pogba away voluntarily.

I don't think getting 50 million for a player who's shown virtually nothing at the club but for his first three games qualifies as a mistake.
 
doomy20 said:
Does any1 else think letting him go would be the biggest mistake since giving away Pogba?
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If his family are unsettled and we can recoup most of the fee then we should let him go if that's what he wants.
 
Jev said:
I don't think getting 50 million for a player who's shown virtually nothing at the club but for his first three games qualifies as a mistake.
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Many players having troubles in their first season. With our new midfield and a second pre-season with the team i think he will shine next year.
 
Jev said:
We didn't give Pogba away voluntarily.

I don't think getting 50 million for a player who's shown virtually nothing at the club but for his first three games qualifies as a mistake.
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I didn't realize his career started in 2014 at Manchester United.
 
Jev said:
We've just got that with Depay, though. Also I don't agree with the point made, Griezmann has great drive and acceleration with the ball.
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Is Depay that good a dribbler? From what I've seen of him he seems more someone who is direct who uses pace and tricks to get a yard ahead to shoot or pass. Di Maria was a genuinely top class dribbler at Madrid, the sort that could leave defenders in a twist.

Besides I'd argue that one dribbler is very very little especially when it's a 20 year old.

Not sure about Greizmann. Not seen enough of him but he strikes me as a forward and goal scorer more than an explosive dribbler who is creative. Is he more of a dribbler/creator or a scorer?
 
doomy20 said:
Many players having troubles in their first season. With our new midfield and a second pre-season with the team i think he will shine next year.
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And many players never get over these troubles. The assumption that after horrendous finish to last season he's just going to step up from the beginning of next season because he's amazing is something I find rather silly especially as he's got gradually worse with time here, to the extent where he was not only United level but not even PL quality around April and May. He looked disinterested and made horrific decisions and was usually one of the worst players on the pitch when entered. Of course we can risk the assumption that he will be incredible next season because he's amazing and keep him but if he's as poor as he was last season then at 28 next year we're probably selling him to Inter for £10m.
 
NK86 said:
I didn't realize his career started in 2014 at Manchester United.
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Why would he judge him by his time at Real Madrid though? We've seen players gone crap after joining new clubs, we've seen people become crap for no apparent reason. Ronaldinho somehow did not turn it around at Milan. I bet people were saying the same stuff about Torres at Chelsea - 'next season he will be amazing'.
 
Sarni said:
And many players never get over these troubles. The assumption that after horrendous finish to last season he's just going to step up from the beginning of next season because he's amazing is something I find rather silly especially as he's got gradually worse with time here, to the extent where he was not only United level but not even PL quality around April and May. He looked disinterested and made horrific decisions and was usually one of the worst players on the pitch when entered. Of course we can risk the assumption that he will be incredible next season because he's amazing and keep him but if he's as poor as he was last season then at 28 next year we're probably selling him to Inter for £10m.
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The assumption that he's going to do badly next season is also as assumption. In that case we risk watching him tear it up with PSG and our creativity being as poor as it was last season having sold our most creative player.
 
Sarni said:
Why would he judge him by his time at Real Madrid though? We've seen players gone crap after joining new clubs, we've seen people become crap for no apparent reason. Ronaldinho somehow did not turn it around at Milan. I bet people were saying the same stuff about Torres at Chelsea - 'next season he will be amazing'.
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Because it shows what he's capable of, obviously.

If it's as clear up cut as you put it, Drogba should have been sold after his first season with Chelsea and Evra after 6 months with us.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
The assumption that he's going to do badly next season is also as assumption. In that case we risk watching him tear it up with PSG and our creativity being as poor as it was last season having sold our most creative player.
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No, the assumption that he will be bad next season is based on the fact that he's been progressively worse last season and ended season at an absolutely horrible level.

Even if he plays well for PSG won't mean he'd do the same at United.
 
Sarni said:
No, the assumption that he will be bad next season is based on the fact that he's been progressively worse last season and ended season at an absolutely horrible level.

Even if he plays well for PSG won't mean he'd do the same at United.
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So you agree that it's an assumption. Because he doesn't have to have a bad season because last season wasn't up to the mark.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Because it shows what he's capable of, obviously.

If it's as clear up cut as you put it, Drogba should have been sold after his first season with Chelsea and Evra after 6 months with us.
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Evra was a £6m punt from Ligue 1, besides he wasn't even that bad and got better with time. His and Vidic apparent issues in the first 6 months have been largely blown out of proportion when used as a defence of struggling new players. If Di Maria was a £6m punt from Spain then I'd have no issues with keeping him. He's a £60m transfer though, you expect them to at least not be significantly below the level of Jason Puncheon of Crystal Palace, even in their first season.

Besides I've already said that he's never even been that good on the wing. In midfield he tore a few teams apart at Real Madrid but on the wing he's been inconsistent everywhere.

Drogba got 16 goals and was Chelsea's top scorer in first season.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
So you agree that it's an assumption. Because he doesn't have to have a bad season because last season wasn't up to the mark.
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It's much, much more likely that he will have bad/average season than suddenly become amazing because he's shown nothing suggesting he could be amazing HERE particularly in the only position he'll get to play from now. He's not been good on the wing even once at United.
 
Sarni said:
Why would he judge him by his time at Real Madrid though? We've seen players gone crap after joining new clubs, we've seen people become crap for no apparent reason. Ronaldinho somehow did not turn it around at Milan. I bet people were saying the same stuff about Torres at Chelsea - 'next season he will be amazing'.
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Not just his RM form, his form for Argentina has been pretty good after joining us as well. Yes he had a very poor second half of the season, but injuries did not help him one bit. So unless you believe he is not going to recover his form at all, then there is no point in selling him especially at a loss.

As for Torres, that is not a fair comparison. The guy was always injury prone and his last season at Liverpool was torrid. He was also rushed back from injuries many times which actually hampered his pace later on, something he relied on heavily. Di Maria has had no such issues. He came to a new league, a new country. It takes time to settle in.
 
What I don't understand is people saying lets get rid and replace him with worse players.. Lucas Moura.. seriously?
 
Sarni said:
Evra was a £6m punt from Ligue 1, besides he wasn't even that bad and got better with time. His and Vidic apparent issues in the first 6 months have been largely blown out of proportion when used as a defence of struggling new players. If Di Maria was a £6m punt from Spain then I'd have no issues with keeping him. He's a £60m transfer though, you expect them to at least not be significantly below the level of Jason Puncheon of Crystal Palace, even in their first season.

Besides I've already said that he's never even been that good on the wing. In midfield he tore a few teams apart at Real Madrid but on the wing he's been inconsistent everywhere.
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In a sense, if you've spent more on a player I'd expect you (the club) to have a far greater belief in the players abilities than a 10 million pound player.

Regardless, my point is that it could go either way. I personally believe that he can do brilliantly for us. What will decide it is his mentality, and the clubs.
 
Bwuk said:
What I don't understand is people saying lets get rid and replace him with worse players.. Lucas Moura.. seriously?
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To be fair, if it's just not working out for him and he doesn't fit, suit, bed in etc. then an inferior player who does do that will be more useful for us.

But yeah for me we're one season in, and I'd only think letting go of him makes if his heart isn't in it and we get someone of around the same level in.
 
Lucas Moura is so 2013. Signing him while selling ADM would be like us now selling Mata and buying Sneijder.
 
NK86 said:
Not just his RM form, his form for Argentina has been pretty good after joining us as well. Yes he had a very poor second half of the season, but injuries did not help him one bit. So unless you believe he is not going to recover his form at all, then there is no point in selling him especially at a loss.

As for Torres, that is not a fair comparison. The guy was always injury prone and his last season at Liverpool was torrid. He was also rushed back from injuries many times which actually hampered his pace later on, something he relied on heavily. Di Maria has had no such issues. He came to a new league, a new country. It takes time to settle in.
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This is another thing that actually bothers me. He could be diabolical for us and then produce good performances for Argentina - which is why this might not be the case of bad form, which he could get over, but the fact that he simply does not fit in here. He's not a possession based players as I've already said and will always lose ball a lot because that's the way he plays, he takes risks. It's not really a case of bad form at United when he can travel for Copa America after horrendous season here and be good there.

OK, Shevchenko then.
 
Sarni said:
No, the assumption that he will be bad next season is based on the fact that he's been progressively worse last season and ended season at an absolutely horrible level.

Even if he plays well for PSG won't mean he'd do the same at United.
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I wouldn´t judge him on one season. If he has a second bad season, then okay. But it just doesn´t feel right to dump a 60M world-class #7 player after not even a whole season. We will be much more settled next year with a proper CM, a defined #10 and Memphis on the left wing. Will be a whole different team, compared to last season. Let´s see how he can fit in. If not we can sell him next summer. Honestly, the worst thing we could do is selling him and play with Valencia on the right wing or playing Mata out of position again. We have one of the worlds best wingers, so just give him another chance.
 
Sarni said:
It's much, much more likely that he will have bad/average season than suddenly become amazing because he's shown nothing suggesting he could be amazing HERE particularly in the only position he'll get to play from now. He's not been good on the wing even once at United.
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Plenty of players have become suddenly good. Unsurprisingly when they've had some time to adapt. In his case it would be suddenly amazing rather than suddenly good because he's prove himself to be capable of that level.

I see no barrier except his mentality. If his mind is not in it he'll continue to struggle. If he is determined, he should do very well. Lvg will know what his state of mind is.
 
doomy20 said:
I wouldn´t judge him on one season. If he has a second bad season, then okay. But it just doesn´t feel right to dump a 60M world-class #7 player after not even a whole season. We will be much more settled next year with a proper CM, a defined #10 and Memphis on the left wing. Will be a whole different team, compared to last season. Let´s see how he can fit in. If not we can sell him next summer. Honestly, the worst thing we could do is selling him and play with Valencia on the right wing or playing Mata out of position again. We have one of the worlds best wingers, so just give him another chance.
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If he has second bad season we're not getting more than 20 million next year. This is the risk.
 
Sarni said:
This is another thing that actually bothers me. He could be diabolical for us and then produce good performances for Argentina - which is why this might not be the case of bad form, which he could get over, but the fact that he simply does not fit in here. He's not a possession based players as I've already said and will always lose ball a lot because that's the way he plays, he takes risks. It's not really a case of bad form at United when he can travel for Copa America after horrendous season here and be good there.

OK, Shevchenko then.
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Your first para is a concern which I share as well, ie, is his heart not in it? If that is the case, then I can see the reason in moving him on (never at a loss though, we need to make PSG pay through the roof for him).

Sheva was 30 when he moved to Chelsea. Although I agree that 30 is not the end of the road for strikers but we he have seen instances of players going rapidly downhill once they start losing their pace and explosiveness. Henry, apart from one really good season for Barca, was pretty average ever since injuries started creeping in when he neared 29-30. So it is not beyond the realms of belief that maybe Sheva was on the road to decline. I am sure there are also players who struggle in their first season in a new league before turning it on.

We did overpay for Di Maria but he cannot be blamed for that. If we want to sell just because we overpaid and someone is willing to give our money back, then I feel it is not the right approach. If we feel he is not going to make it here and have a better player lined up, then we could perhaps look at replacing him.
 
Losing Di Maria and getting Gaitan as a replacement would probably undo much of my excitement at our recent arrivals.

But if the man's family are unsettled by what occurred in Feb, there is little can be done. Having said this, the Club did everything they could to improve the situation for them domestically.
 
I think it comes down to the player. If he is unhappy here and his family can't/won't settle then I think he has to go. I'm sure we've all had times when we couldn't concentrate at work because of stuff in our private lives. If he wants to stay and fight for a place and his family situation has improved then great - if he plays anywhere near his best then he'll be the first name on the team sheet.
Only people who know the answer to this are ADM and LVG.
 
Fergie's Man said:
Losing Di Maria and getting Gaitan as a replacement would probably undo much of my excitement at our recent arrivals.

But if the man's family are unsettled by what occurred in Feb, there is little can be done. Having said this, the Club did everything they could to improve the situation for them domestically.
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A lot can be done! Plenty of players other than Gaitan. No one seems to rate that fellow except his agent.
 
doomy20 said:
Does any1 else think letting him go would be the biggest mistake since giving away Pogba?
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I do.... he should at least be given another season.

He was voted 3rd best player in the world year before he came to us no?! This is for a reason. Definitely should not let him go.

Think he may well hit the ground running this year! (hope so - atlhough completely agree he was woeful end of last yr, but our style is surely going to change this year)
 
Jev said:
We didn't give Pogba away voluntarily.

I don't think getting 50 million for a player who's shown virtually nothing at the club but for his first three games qualifies as a mistake.
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Even Fellaini got a second season. I don't think AdM is finished at United..
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Plenty of players have become suddenly good. Unsurprisingly when they've had some time to adapt. In his case it would be suddenly amazing rather than suddenly good because he's prove himself to be capable of that level.

I see no barrier except his mentality. If his mind is not in it he'll continue to struggle. If he is determined, he should do very well. Lvg will know what his state of mind is.
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I agree - he may Ashley Young it up next year.
 
It wouldn't be that surprising if the club decided to sell. Van Gaal doesn't fancy him much and Di María is too chaotic for his style. Also, the club wouldn't take a big hit at all. They'd sell him for close his accounting value and would get rid of his high wages.
 
Depay should be his replacement. If we decide to sell him we should only replace him with a true world class player like Bale. Definitely not someone like Gaitan
 
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