Dele Alli

Scroto Baggins said:
Too up and down. Comes out one week gets an assist and goal and looks absolutely great. Next week if asked if Alli was on the pitch after watching the game you would have to go check the team sheet.

Definitely a good player on his day, but has serious consistency problems that at 24 he should be putting behind him. Having said that I would take him over Lingard any day.



To be fair to Glaston, Alli really did look a world beater when he came on the scene, his first two seasons at Spurs were phenomenal.
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He was playing as second striker, somehow Spurs fans wanted everyone to believe he was scoring all the goals from midfield. Also always comparing his goal scoring record with Gerrard and Lampard who started as proper CMs.

He is a good player, not a good CM. He is more suited to Muller type role.
 
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roonster09 said:
He was playing as second striker, somehow Spurs fans wanted everyone to believe he was scoring all the goals from midfield. Also always comparing his goal scoring record with Gerrard and Lampard who started as proper CMs.

He is a good player, not a good CM. He is more suited to Muller type role.
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Well that is the thing, I think the first two seasons he played that Muller role, in which tbf he was fantastic. Then shifted more to a midfield role, I believe at MK Dons he was a genuine CM for the team? Maybe Pochettino seen something more in his game and moved him forward initially. Or the high stifling pressing line of Pochettino's style gave him more opportunity to utilise his skills in an aggressive pressing format, and if a turnover occurs, capitalise with a run into the box.

As for Spurs midfield, one word, Dembele. This guy does not get enough recognition, flawed genius.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
Well that is the thing, I think the first two seasons he played that Muller role, in which tbf he was fantastic. Then shifted more to a midfield role, I believe at MK Dons he was a genuine CM for the team? Maybe Pochettino seen something more in his game and moved him forward initially. Or the high stifling pressing line of Pochettino's style gave him more opportunity to utilise his skills in an aggressive pressing format, and if a turnover occurs, capitalise with a run into the box.

As for Spurs midfield, one word, Dembele. This guy does not get enough recognition, flawed genius.
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Because he was weirdly judged by the goals scored.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
Well that is the thing, I think the first two seasons he played that Muller role, in which tbf he was fantastic. Then shifted more to a midfield role, I believe at MK Dons he was a genuine CM for the team? Maybe Pochettino seen something more in his game and moved him forward initially. Or the high stifling pressing line of Pochettino's style gave him more opportunity to utilise his skills in an aggressive pressing format, and if a turnover occurs, capitalise with a run into the box.

As for Spurs midfield, one word, Dembele. This guy does not get enough recognition, flawed genius.
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kouroux said:
Because he was weirdly judged by the goals scored.
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Was it? Always thought he was rated as one of the best CMs when he was at his peak.
 
So, what's the story with him? Left out of the squad, Spurs are rumoured to have tried to pimp him to Madrid. Are they going to sell?

@balaks @InLevyITrust what say you?
 
Bastian said:
So, what's the story with him? Left out of the squad, Spurs are rumoured to have tried to pimp him to Madrid. Are they going to sell?

@balaks @InLevyITrust what say you?
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Too much too young for me right now, he has ability no doubt but there is a block with him mentally regarding his application. I doubt there was ever in truth in him to Madrid as he would have been destroyed by there fans, but right now he is showing nothing as to why he should have a starting place.
 
Crazy that he got 18 league goals in 2016/17 when he was just 20; there's a player in there, he just doesn't seem to have the drive the likes of Keane/Lampard/Beckham had to make it to the next level
 
balaks said:
No idea
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Cheers.

InLevyITrust said:
Too much too young for me right now, he has ability no doubt but there is a block with him mentally regarding his application. I doubt there was ever in truth in him to Madrid as he would have been destroyed by there fans, but right now he is showing nothing as to why he should have a starting place.
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He seems to have the charisma of a potato, judging from that documentary, but if he's coached right he's a top class player. Would be a terrible time to sell too. Interesting to see how this develops.
 
United58 said:
Crazy that he got 18 league goals in 2016/17 when he was just 20; there's a player in there, he just doesn't seem to have the drive the likes of Keane/Lampard/Beckham had to make it to the next level
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That's what makes the difference between good players and great players...the consistency at a high level. The league adapted to him and while the Spurs teams have evolved and changed, has he changed and adapted as well? Doesn't seem like it because his performances and output haven't been the same for almost 3/4 years now. The team isn't going to be built around him, it's built around Kane and Son.

Dele might be a poor trainer, but he's shown that he can make those differences in matches. But seems like he doesn't have the natural talent to just score goals and make an impact consistently enough while being a poor trainer. Tevez wasn't the best trainer either, but because he knew his focal point role in his teams as a center forward, he was extremely effective at United and City.
 
edcunited1878 said:
That's what makes the difference between good players and great players...the consistency at a high level. The league adapted to him and while the Spurs teams have evolved and changed, has he changed and adapted as well? Doesn't seem like it because his performances and output haven't been the same for almost 3/4 years now. The team isn't going to be built around him, it's built around Kane and Son.

Dele might be a poor trainer, but he's shown that he can make those differences in matches. But seems like he doesn't have the natural talent to just score goals and make an impact consistently enough while being a poor trainer. Tevez wasn't the best trainer either, but because he knew his focal point role in his teams as a center forward, he was extremely effective at United and City.
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From what ive heard aguero is a bad trainer too.
 
Pow said:
From what ive heard aguero is a bad trainer too.
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Possibly. Heck, Messi could be a bad trainer. But they have so much natural talent and just a footballing knack of performing and scoring and can be relied upon. Aguero. Tevez. Messi...aside from them being Argentinian, Dele doesn't come close to them in terms of output and talent and really a defined position. Dele isn't a CM nor really a CAM. He's more of the second striker, in the hole type player. He also played off the left forward area then got into the box wherever his first year at Spurs. Then now he's just on the pitch. I actually think he'd be good as a false 9 or just the pure center forward, but he'd need more delivery to succeed.
 
edcunited1878 said:
Possibly. Heck, Messi could be a bad trainer. But they have so much natural talent and just a footballing knack of performing and scoring and can be relied upon. Aguero. Tevez. Messi...aside from them being Argentinian, Dele doesn't come close to them in terms of output and talent and really a defined position. Dele isn't a CM nor really a CAM. He's more of the second striker, in the hole type player. He also played off the left forward area then got into the box wherever his first year at Spurs. Then now he's just on the pitch. I actually think he'd be good as a false 9 or just the pure center forward, but he'd need more delivery to succeed.
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Hes grown stale. Hes what 23/24 ? Lucky hes got time on his side turn it around but it needs to be sooner rather than later. Its clear there is a player in there.
 
Needs a change of scene and in the same way as Martial here, he doesn't need Mou as a manager. How much is he worth that's another question ? I would definitely chuck 35m-40m at him if he were available - would be decent back-up
Don't think anyone should judge him on the spurs doc - to me he came across as incredibly frustrated even if he is undoubtedly talented - Could see Olé doing a good job getting him back into shape and motivating him as he did with a number of our younger talents
 
Id have taken him in a heartbeat if we hadn't already signed VDB
 
So much for him being amazing again for Spurs this season. Guess if they're going to be paying half of Bale's wages they need to balance the books a bit and Dele will be sacrificial lamb although seems Levy only wants to loan hiim out given Mourinho's past record with KDB and Salah.

Got a feeling he'll end up somewhere like PSG if there's any space there.
 
FootballHQ said:
So much for him being amazing again for Spurs this season. Guess if they're going to be paying half of Bale's wages they need to balance the books a bit and Dele will be sacrificial lamb although seems Levy only wants to loan hiim out given Mourinho's past record with KDB and Salah.

Got a feeling he'll end up somewhere like PSG if there's any space there.
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I don't think there's any risk of him turning into the next de Bruyne or Salah. But loaning him would be a lot more sensible than flogging him in a depressed market. I don't understand why they'd loan him when teams need depth more than ever, unless they're really really strapped for cash, or Mourinho actively wants him out, both of which I'd find unlikely.

PSG loan would be him winning the lottery.
 
Bastian said:
So, what's the story with him? Left out of the squad, Spurs are rumoured to have tried to pimp him to Madrid. Are they going to sell?

@balaks @InLevyITrust what say you?
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Could be Mourinho up to his usual scapegoatin crap. He does like to pick on and alienate individuals when the shit is hitting the fan. Especially flair players like Alli.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Could be Mourinho up to his usual scapegoatin crap. He does like to pick on and alienate individuals when the shit is hitting the fan.
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Yeah, people have been bringing up Martial in this regard. But I still suspect there's method to his madness, and I don't think he'd seriously want to sell him on the cheap when he knows it was the thinness of the squad that did them in a few months ago. It's an interesting situation though, whatever the case may be.
 
He reminds me of Scholes in an England shirt.
 
The Man Himself said:
More importantly, when you brush your teeth, what order do you do it? Do you wet the toothbrush first or do you put the toothpaste on and then wet it?
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I haven't watched all of the documentary, but to me it those physio bits just show how mundane, repetitive and boring it was. In the same way you saw clips of the photocopier in The Office.

He clearly needed a move even before Bale was arriving.

He’s at a crossroads. Either he’s going to be one of many players who did well in their early twenties and were never heard of again. Or he grasps the opportunity of a move and rediscovers his form.
 
iHicksy said:
He just learnt that he could microwave beans and it sounds like it's the first meal he's ever cooked. He doesn't have the intelligence that is usually linked with a strong mentality. Guy is an absolute simpleton. I'd be amazed if can understand anything beyond basic tactical instructions.
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What on earth are you talking about?
 
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I get the feeling with Alli he would prefer to just be earning the big dollars somewhere where he doesnt have to put in too much effort. So he can focus on his fashion label and live that party life/be apart of the rich scene in London. Certainly wouldnt be the first player to go down that path. Wilshere for me was never dedicated enough, injuries also didnt help, but so talented, just not that hunger/desire and too much of the party lifestyle.

Thought Grealish might be headed that way when he was younger but he definitely turned it around.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
I get the feeling with Alli he would prefer to just be earning the big dollars somewhere where he doesnt have to put in too much effort. So he can focus on his fashion label and live that party life/be apart of the rich scene in London. Certainly wouldnt be the first player to go down that path. Wilshere for me was never dedicated enough, injuries also didnt help, but so talented, just not that hunger/desire and too much of the party lifestyle.

Thought Grealish might be headed that way when he was younger but he definitely turned it around.
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This makes sense, he's got such a bad attitude that his former coach wanted to sign him. Wonder why any one would want to work with someone like that again.

All that about Wilshere is nonsense, his career was ruined by injuries. It's that simple.
 
United58 said:
Crazy that he got 18 league goals in 2016/17 when he was just 20; there's a player in there, he just doesn't seem to have the drive the likes of Keane/Lampard/Beckham had to make it to the next level
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I remember when he first broke onto the scene, I genuinely thought he was going to reach that level of players you mentioned. It's a shame how He is only 24 too, still so young. I think he needs a change of scenery. He has stagnated at Spurs.
 
RooneyLegend said:
This makes sense, he's got such a bad attitude that his former coach wanted to sign him. Wonder why any one would want to work with someone like that again.

All that about Wilshere is nonsense, his career was ruined by injuries. It's that simple.
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You cannot honestly sit there and flippantly dismiss all the tabloid coverage about Wilshere's off field antics, then nod sagely in agreement with said tabloids when they lay out a headline like "Pochettino wants Alli at PSG!". So which is it, are the tabloids full of sh*t or they are legit? Does Pochettino really want Alli at PSG? Did Wilsheres off field antics and professionalism, or lack thereof, impact his game?

Of course Wilshere suffered a lot of injuries, but he certainly was not the head down dedicated footballer and family man like say Harry Kane.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
You cannot honestly sit there and flippantly dismiss all the tabloid coverage about Wilshere's off field antics, then nod sagely in agreement with said tabloids when they lay out a headline like "Pochettino wants Alli at PSG!". So which is it, are the tabloids full of sh*t or they are legit? Does Pochettino really want Alli at PSG? Did Wilsheres off field antics and professionalism, or lack thereof, impact his game?

Of course Wilshere suffered a lot of injuries, but he certainly was not the head down dedicated footballer and family man like say Harry Kane.
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Not just that, but it's widely documented (even by almost everyone at the club on Amazon's AON) that Dele has a poor attitude towards training.

Poch will have been a part of that, as he will have run rigorous training sessions (by wide repute) and must have let Dele slack off and grow bad habits. Here's the thing though - Dele's was no where near his best for Poch's last couple of seasons - his peak was well before Poch left, and the declines may have coincided one way or another.

When a former manager wants a former player it doesn't mean that the reputation is wrong or the rumours are false - it might just mean the manager is a glutton for punishment. Poch signed Dani Osvaldo at least twice, and he went around headbutting players in training!
 
cjj said:
Not just that, but it's widely documented (even by almost everyone at the club on Amazon's AON) that Dele has a poor attitude towards training.

Poch will have been a part of that, as he will have run rigorous training sessions (by wide repute) and must have let Dele slack off and grow bad habits.
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I too have heard rumour of the torturous training sessions under Pochettino, surely Alli would have to go through the same training regime as everyone else? Unless he was carrying an injury, in which case it is understandable not to be pushed too hard.

The 'Alli isnt a good trainer' might not point to his fitness levels, but how seriously he takes training. If he treats it casually, doesnt track back, positionally lax, tricks and flicks all over the place, a Mario Balotelli pirouette before he shoots. Arrives late to training, first to leave or sit out a session with a 'strain'. Just his general professionalism, or lack thereof, in regards to training all round might be what got to Jose.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
You cannot honestly sit there and flippantly dismiss all the tabloid coverage about Wilshere's off field antics, then nod sagely in agreement with said tabloids when they lay out a headline like "Pochettino wants Alli at PSG!". So which is it, are the tabloids full of sh*t or they are legit? Does Pochettino really want Alli at PSG? Did Wilsheres off field antics and professionalism, or lack thereof, impact his game?

Of course Wilshere suffered a lot of injuries, but he certainly was not the head down dedicated footballer and family man like say Harry Kane.
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News of Poch wanting Alli was all over the place, not just some tabloids.

So a guy is a coaches favorite(we know Wenger loved him), plays from the age of 16, loves the game and just because of a few instances on nights out he isn't professional?

Not sure how being a family man would help him but he is one. Oxlade Chamberlain even made fun of him saying there are kids all over the place by so he doesn't even have time to socialise or play video games.

What impacted his game is injuries, it's that simple.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
You cannot honestly sit there and flippantly dismiss all the tabloid coverage about Wilshere's off field antics, then nod sagely in agreement with said tabloids when they lay out a headline like "Pochettino wants Alli at PSG!". So which is it, are the tabloids full of sh*t or they are legit? Does Pochettino really want Alli at PSG? Did Wilsheres off field antics and professionalism, or lack thereof, impact his game?

Of course Wilshere suffered a lot of injuries, but he certainly was not the head down dedicated footballer and family man like say Harry Kane.
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Poch adores Dele, he was on MNF before he got the PSG job and the way he was talking about him you'd have thought he was his son.

I don't know exactly what's happened to Dele, could be a case of poor attitude/lack of application but he did also have a serious hamstring injury a couple of years ago which seems to have affected him. He was never particularly quick to begin with but now he just doesn't seem to have the necessary mobility to do what he used to. Or maybe it's simply a case of him needing a change of scenery ala Lingard, either way though it's not happening for him at Spurs right now.
 
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