Defence, we need a new one and we all know it..!
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We would love to go. I'll give you a call tommorow.
Originally posted by Jopub the Gooner:
<strong>Stamm <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Hate to be picky, but it's Stam
Why not tyr Jebel Ali lads - the current is wonderful this time of the year! Also we might pick up the odd "national" defender basking in the Jebel Ali Hotel after a hard season in the local league out here - you know what talented footballers they have in this part of the world
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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And frankly Dusty Bin could have played keeper for France and they still would have won behind that defence!
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Several crucial saves during the European Championship too, just ask Abel Xavier (fantastic save on a Xavier header at last minute).
And he has been good here last year, and since December.
Originally posted by Elfie:
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Several crucial saves during the European Championship too, just ask Abel Xavier (fantastic save on a Xavier header at last minute).
And he has been good here last year, and since December.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Elfie, im trying not to be disrespectful to Fab, because he is good but he's not the best.I was also doing the French defence justice because i honestly think any keeper could have played in that team and looked good.
People seem to remember the errors Barthez makes! If you remembeer right, for example against Arsenal away - where he made 2 big mistakes, they cost us the game! BUT if i remember right he kept us in the game - he made great save after save after save!
Afterall Barthez is the French number 1, France are the best team in the world - and if barthez is good enough to be the goalie for the best national team in the world - then im sure he is good enough to be the goalie for the best club in the world!
Afterall Barthez is the French number 1, France are the best team in the world - and if barthez is good enough to be the goalie for the best national team in the world - then im sure he is good enough to be the goalie for the best club in the world!
Originally posted by sebaveron:
<strong>People seem to remember the errors Barthez makes! If you remembeer right, for example against Arsenal away - where he made 2 big mistakes, they cost us the game! </strong><hr></blockquote>
anyway, my points not about his mistakes, hell everyone makes mistakes, but my point is that he's not dominating the defence enough. Maybe im just remembering Pete too much but i think a keeper should be shouting & organising.
Defence is ok when Keane is playing with Butt in the middle of the park.
Its a sure thing we need some new blood in the center but i think SAF will not buy anyone because of Brown and O`Shea coming through.If Larry stays another year and brings Brown with him all will be ok.
Heard rumours about Thuram coming will be good buy if true.
Anyway I hear all this talk about defending a one goal lead I thought Utd didn`t do that sort of thing they left that to the boring Arse and Pool.
Next years line up:
Poom ????!!!!!
Mickey
Larry/O`Shea
Wes/Thuram
Nev
Giggs
Scholes/Veron
Butt
Keane
Beckham
Van
Ole/Forlan
Its a sure thing we need some new blood in the center but i think SAF will not buy anyone because of Brown and O`Shea coming through.If Larry stays another year and brings Brown with him all will be ok.
Heard rumours about Thuram coming will be good buy if true.
Anyway I hear all this talk about defending a one goal lead I thought Utd didn`t do that sort of thing they left that to the boring Arse and Pool.
Next years line up:
Poom ????!!!!!
Mickey
Larry/O`Shea
Wes/Thuram
Nev
Giggs
Scholes/Veron
Butt
Keane
Beckham
Van
Ole/Forlan
Originally posted by Waz:
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Next years line up:
Poom ????!!!!!
Mickey
Larry/O`Shea
Wes/Thuram
Nev
Giggs
Scholes/Veron
Butt
Keane
Beckham
Van
Ole/Forlan
We can start with 12 players next season?
There doesn't seem to be much agreement about which position(s) in defense we need to strengthen.
Some people think Silvestre has become a great defender, even if he was absolute shit in the first half, while some people think his positioning is still poor and however good he is going forwards it doesn't make up for that.
Ronny is class, but we almost never get to see him play - and there has been no word of a new contract for him whereas Blanc has been offered a new 1 year contract, so some think we should keep him, while others think he is a waste of wages.
Blanc took time to settle, inevitably, and has been exposed for pace on occasions, but has made up for it with his superb reading of the game. But its been noticed that he doesn't 'Command' the defense, and organise it enough. Its also more than likely that he won't stay on for another year, and if he does it won't be for every game.
Gary, there will always be critics of Gary, as well as fans, because he is a Red, and is probably better as a CB than as a RB, but even though he is good, he's not quite good enough as some of our other players are in their own positions.
Phil, almost universally agreed that he's not good enough for the 1st team, but liked because he is a home-grown lad, and doesn't mind warming the bench. Is it possible to get a better bench-warmer? Do we have any decent fullbacks in our reserves/youth?
Brown, had a poor start, and another bad injury, but came back well recently. Although I think he will become a truly great player, I recognise that a lot of people are worried about his temperament. I would have him as 3rd choice centre back until he gets a period injury free, and gets his form up. Seems though that most people are putting some blame on him, even if he didn't play for most of the season. I suppose though the point is that the games he did play in were the early games when we didn't do well.
Irwin, fabulous career, great player, but retiring, didn't really play much this season so can't really be to blame for our poor defense this season.
So... who is for the drop? If we actually wanted a water-tight defense then all of them quite frankly, it sounds a lot but isn't when you consider that Blanc and Johnsen and Irwin will leave anyway. I suppose my choice of line-up would be something like Bridges Thuram Ayala Finnan, but we won't have the money for that now that we're not selling Veron. More likely Silvestre Thuram/Ayala (one of) Brown/Gary Finnan/Reizeger - which doesn't look a whole lot more secure.
Some people think Silvestre has become a great defender, even if he was absolute shit in the first half, while some people think his positioning is still poor and however good he is going forwards it doesn't make up for that.
Ronny is class, but we almost never get to see him play - and there has been no word of a new contract for him whereas Blanc has been offered a new 1 year contract, so some think we should keep him, while others think he is a waste of wages.
Blanc took time to settle, inevitably, and has been exposed for pace on occasions, but has made up for it with his superb reading of the game. But its been noticed that he doesn't 'Command' the defense, and organise it enough. Its also more than likely that he won't stay on for another year, and if he does it won't be for every game.
Gary, there will always be critics of Gary, as well as fans, because he is a Red, and is probably better as a CB than as a RB, but even though he is good, he's not quite good enough as some of our other players are in their own positions.
Phil, almost universally agreed that he's not good enough for the 1st team, but liked because he is a home-grown lad, and doesn't mind warming the bench. Is it possible to get a better bench-warmer? Do we have any decent fullbacks in our reserves/youth?
Brown, had a poor start, and another bad injury, but came back well recently. Although I think he will become a truly great player, I recognise that a lot of people are worried about his temperament. I would have him as 3rd choice centre back until he gets a period injury free, and gets his form up. Seems though that most people are putting some blame on him, even if he didn't play for most of the season. I suppose though the point is that the games he did play in were the early games when we didn't do well.
Irwin, fabulous career, great player, but retiring, didn't really play much this season so can't really be to blame for our poor defense this season.
So... who is for the drop? If we actually wanted a water-tight defense then all of them quite frankly, it sounds a lot but isn't when you consider that Blanc and Johnsen and Irwin will leave anyway. I suppose my choice of line-up would be something like Bridges Thuram Ayala Finnan, but we won't have the money for that now that we're not selling Veron. More likely Silvestre Thuram/Ayala (one of) Brown/Gary Finnan/Reizeger - which doesn't look a whole lot more secure.
Originally posted by DubaiReds:
<strong>Why not tyr Jebel Ali lads - the current is wonderful this time of the year! Also we might pick up the odd "national" defender basking in the Jebel Ali Hotel after a hard season in the local league out here - you know what talented footballers they have in this part of the world
Yeah I crippled two of them in one tackle last year in the beach football comp...
You fancy the diving as well DXBred..?
My main concern is the left back and Centre back positions. I agree Nev played well towards the end of the season and I've always said he and Becks have a good understanding.
I agree some have been blinded by Silvestre's attacking but his defensive positioning stinks..! IMO he gets caught in the middle too much.
I agree some have been blinded by Silvestre's attacking but his defensive positioning stinks..! IMO he gets caught in the middle too much.
JSV says: Mickael Silvestre - Best Premiership LB.
I second that.
I second that.
Yeah he was wonderful again tonight
Anyone who thinks his defensive performances, particularly of late, have been anywhere near the best in the PL is seriously deluded. Out of position seems to be his position.
Anyone who thinks his defensive performances, particularly of late, have been anywhere near the best in the PL is seriously deluded. Out of position seems to be his position.
Originally posted by Wibble:
<strong>Yeah he was wonderful again tonight
Anyone who thinks his defensive performances, particularly of late, have been anywhere near the best in the PL is seriously deluded. Out of position seems to be his position.
Aye - I'd much rather have a defender playing in the defense than a winger.
In the defence the only two players I have absolute confident that they will not look out of class on the highest level is Blanc and Silverstre. Brown is still on the learning path, while I never rate Phillip anymore than an average PL player. Gary Neville's situation is a bit difficult to judge. He has a lot of experience, he is verbal and at times it seems he's quite reliable. But there is also times when he easily got humilated by quick players (Overmars, Roberto Carlos, and recently, Gronkjaer). That means, he should still be our starting RB, but we need another quicker RB to backup him just in case.
He needs to be fast to get back from the woeful positions he gets into. You don't want to be fast to cover up for poor defense, you want it as an extra weapon to give a rock solid defense another aspect or 2 - either in attack or occasionally to save the day with a last minute lunge. Silvestre uses saving the day as an everyday technique which isn't satisfactory. Up until now I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt but I think he has progressed as much as he is going to. A good backup but we need a better first choice left back.