It is how it works. Roy Keane was the complete midfielder at 30 but far from that at 22. Not sure what FIFA has to do with it but if you’re talking about a video game, I have no idea how that works.
The mind boggles
I'm confused. Where have I said otherwise? Do you think I'm saying he hasn't got many years left or something? So having established himself as a England starter, having played over 100 games for a PL team, you still think he's 'tender' at 22? He's not a kid.
Please put a stats up to show he's been better than McT for season past, in every aspect of their game because i don't agree with you! I've watched him and he's not any better.
Semantics really. He's still 22, and a very young footballer with a lot of room for growth.
Because there's not some hard and fast measurement for how much a player will improve based on his age. Experience is vastly more important to development than his age. I'm not sure if English is your first language, but you're not 'tender' at 22.
Exaggeration more like, which seems to be a running theme when highlighting Rice's plus points.
I don't think he needs to be able to bomb forward. But he needs to be technically strong and be able to dictate the game from deep - like Fabinho does - and I have major doubt about that. Personally, I don't think Mctominay or Fred are really genuinely at the level we need so clogging the midfield up with another defense minded midfielder only makes sense if they're good on the ball.
He's definitely not Carrick standard in his distribution as some would claim.
His passing is really average. He is hard work over talent.
In fairness he’s young and like I say I don’t think he’s a bad player at all, I just don’t think he’s worth the mental money West Ham think he is.Rice is 22, same age as Roy when we bought him in 1993. Roy was a big talent and a good player already then, like Rice. And his first two seasons at United, 93/94 and 94/95, he played well but was overshadowed by the utterly magnificent Paul Ince. Roy even played some games at right back. When Ince was sold in the summer of '95, up steps Roy Keane. World class bonanza for ten years.
If anything Rice is ahead of the curve, being captain/vice-captain of a good Premier League team. Roy's Forest was relegated in his last season there.
Who knows how good he'll end up being, but the signs so far are encouraging to say the least.
And I must admit I think it's funny that my favourite player ever Roy Keane thinks the same thing about Rice as I have done for some time. I'm sure it means a lot to Roy as well.
He's played 4 seasons in the premier league and 15 caps for England. He's far more experienced than most in world football. You're just assuming because he's 22 his progress will be linear.
It's semantics at this point. What your describing there is someone who's played at the elite level of football. Having 128 appearances for your club in the premier league is very experienced - no way would I describe Rice as a novice and I'm sure if you called him that, he'd tell you to feck off.
He's played over 100 games for a PL team and is a regular in the England national team. To put it into context that's about the same amount of club games as Bailly, and considerably more than AWB who is roughly the same age. We expect them to be able to perform now. It would be ridiculous to say Bailly and AWB lacked experience.
Fernando's and Fabinho's passing are leagues ahead
A novice. feck sake.
There's a lot more than that you need to mull over. You're either taking the piss or you really don't understand what a novice is.
I’m not sure if English is your first language but all terms are relative and, if I say he’s tender-aged, it ought to be obvious to you that I’m making the point that, at 22, he is younger than most guys playing at elite level in his position.
It is a actually fair comparison. Dier was actually challenging for the league at the same age with Tottenham, he just fell off a cliff with injuries and form.
