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I mean Noble doesn't shift across quick enough when Rice goes out to RLC.
I said the same thing.He might turn out to be a decent player eventually but I get a Eric Dier vibe from him.
I haven't read through the thread to see if this is a common idea already but from watching a numerous amount go videos I came up with this opinion.
As a CDM he is ok he is a great ball winner but offers nothing going forward and for the modern game that won't cut it.
Now what I do see is the potential for a WORLD CLASS center back! I think he has all the makings to be a top top player in that position. He is two footed tall strong and has a great reading the game. He even said his idol was John Terry growing up.
Once again never seen the kid play live so going off of what I saw.
In fact he reminds me exactly of Eric Dier.
I actually think Dier has better technical ability then Rice he is much more competent and composed on the ball. However as you stated Rice has better awareness of the game and is good at reading plays. All the makings of a good centerback if given the chance to play in his most natural position.That's what I see too, but I think he'll be a better player than Dier. I like his mobility, tenacity and his defensive awareness, really tracks runners well.
Would have been a better player back when most teams had a 10 they built their attack around.
He is alot better than Dier on the ball imo.
I think he'd be a decent signing but at no more than £40m.
Not one bit. Not united material if we have to pay for him. If he came through Academy i wouldn't have any problem with him being on the bench.
But he is so not the answer to pair with pogba.
Are you saying if a player comes through our academy, he deserves more games/places on the bench compared to a player of equal quality that we had to buy? That is a bizarre statement!
As for Rice, he lacks pace, game passed by him defensively today. Yet decent on the ball and tackling. £40m max.
Are you saying if a player comes through our academy, he deserves more games/places on the bench compared to a player of equal quality that we had to buy? That is a bizarre statement!
As for Rice, he lacks pace, game passed by him defensively today. Yet decent on the ball and tackling. £40m max.
My thought too. Would be a risk to spend a lot just to try and convert him though. He's not the tallest either.I said the same thing.
If he if not playing centerback then don’t even bother picking him up.
I actually think Dier has better technical ability then Rice he is much more competent and composed on the ball. However as you stated Rice has better awareness of the game and is good at reading plays. All the makings of a good centerback if given the chance to play in his most natural position.
6ft1 is plenty for a centerback.My thought too. Would be a risk to spend a lot just to try and convert him though. He's not the tallest either.
I would currently take neves all day every day over this lad. Let him get another season or 2 at West Ham to develop. For the fees being quoted He’d get eaten alive here!
I like the idea of wolves tbh could be a good stepping stone for the lads.Dier certainly hits better long passes, but I'm not sure there's a huge difference on the ball otherwise.
The big problem with Rice as a DM is basically that he's an English defender, so he doesn't look to get on the ball constantly, and consequently buildup play is hurt.
I wonder if he'd be best in the role Conor Coady plays at Wolves. Doubt we'll play with 3 at the back fulltime, though it might suit our forwards.
I think 99% would rather have Neves but even City backed off because of his supposed 100m price tag. There is absolutely no way anyone is going to pay that amount for him.
I would currently take neves all day every day over this lad. Let him get another season or 2 at West Ham to develop. For the fees being quoted He’d get eaten alive here!
Neves is 2 years older and as you would expect, he's better overall.
Rice does most of the defending himself in West Ham's midfield, he doesnt have a player like Moutinho or Deddoncker with him and Neves has both of them who average over 3 tackles each per game which is more than Neves' 2.2 with Neves making more interceptions than either of them. So Neves defensively benefits more from Wolves combative style while Rice is more of a lone specialist in his role in midfield.
On the ball obviously Neves is more technical and a better passer.
The main point is that you would expect him to be better if hes 2 years older and that Neves will probably need more help defending than Rice would. While Rice would need more help attacking than Neves would.
We seem to be losing the midfielder who is a great help to a DM so Rice might be easier to fit in and also much cheaper. But Neves is ideally a better choice if we can get the moving pieces needed for him which is either Fred or another midfielder helping him.
I think what we really need are quality creative midfielders that also put in tackles. Bernardo Silva being the template. Somebody like Bruno fernandes would make us a lot stronger than someone like Rice.Neves is 2 years older and as you would expect, he's better overall.
Rice does most of the defending himself in West Ham's midfield, he doesnt have a player like Moutinho or Deddoncker with him and Neves has both of them who average over 3 tackles each per game which is more than Neves' 2.2 with Neves making more interceptions than either of them. So Neves defensively benefits more from Wolves combative style while Rice is more of a lone specialist in his role in midfield.
On the ball obviously Neves is more technical and a better passer.
The main point is that you would expect him to be better if hes 2 years older and that Neves will probably need more help defending than Rice would. While Rice would need more help attacking than Neves would.
We seem to be losing the midfielder who is a great help to a DM so Rice might be easier to fit in and also much cheaper. But Neves is ideally a better choice if we can get the moving pieces needed for him which is either Fred or another midfielder helping him.
If he was playing for Ajax, some of the muppets on here would be creaming themselvesYoung player being inconsistent, well I for one am shocked!
Which doesn’t make them better or worse than foreign youngsters just closer and often unfair scrutinyOne of the major differences why players like Rice get criticised and youngsters playing abroad don't is people actually see Rice play every week and not just highlights on youtube.
Why? Even someone as absurdly talented as De Jong gets alot of criticism on here and he's not being seen in a week to week basis. In fact when he is seen he's normally playing big sides not impressing vs the everyday prem mediocrity.If he was playing for Ajax, some of the muppets on here would be creaming themselves
It’s going to happen;he’s young and learning.Eden is a defensive mids worst nightmare but honestly he got tossed around by Loftus Cheek in a way I don't want to see from our holding mid.
Prem mediocrity? Rice has had impressive performances against the top 5. Scored the winner against Arsenal didn’t he?Why? Even someone as absurdly talented as De Jong gets alot of criticism on here and he's not being seen in a week to week basis. In fact when he is seen he's normally playing big sides not impressing vs the everyday prem mediocrity.
It’s going to happen;he’s young and learning.
Not clamouring for us to sign him but that sounds a bit dismissive based on a game against a good player,who I might add has looked pretty average in some games I’ve seen
What's the point of signing Declan Rice when we have a similar player in MCTominay? I really don't see the point why we should be interested in the first place apart from the fact that I would prefer someone who's much more technical and would contribute to helping us dominate the midfield and possession.
If you think McT is the answer to our midfield problems then we really have accepted mediocrityWhat's the point of signing Declan Rice when we have a similar player in MCTominay? I really don't see the point why we should be interested in the first place apart from the fact that I would prefer someone who's much more technical and would contribute to helping us dominate the midfield and possession.
If you think McT is the answer to our midfield problems then we really have accepted mediocrity