A Micheal Owen brochure inspired approach ought to do the trick
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Declan Rice | signs for arsenal
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Suddenly I have no idea what you’re talking about.
He's implying that you're argument that England didn't win recent tournaments being a valid reason to denigrate Rice/England players is weak.
Then Moyes will get the sack after a few months and they’ll get Ole in. Written in the stars.
Nope. We will sell Maguire at a fee, probably something like £25m I expect, however we will need to pay him off for his existing contract with us, which is where this £10m has been quoted this week. That £10m is effectively a mutual settlement for the remaining two years of his contract.
Maguire is reportedly on £180k currently with us. Let’s say someone like West Ham were to offer Maguire £80k pw, we would then need to pay Maguire off for remaining 100k per week for the next two years (£5.2m per year x 2 = £10.4m).
I think the story from this week is just a journalist doing this exact calculation and making a story out of no real news. In reality I expect Utd and Maguire to agree on a negotiated fee less than the £10m as he’ll be getting that paid upfront as a lump sum instead of over two years. I expect it ends up being around £8m pay off.
Aubameyang was different because he was on double the wages of Maguire and his market value wasn’t high enough to really make anything back. So the decision was probably made to cut ties as soon as possible to avoid him stinking up the place further. Again, Arsenal will have negotiated a settlement for the remains years of his contract.
Rice is not worth more than 50-60m
This might not be a popular take, but I think he's distinctly average and part of the reason they were almost relegated.
This might not be a popular take, but I think he's distinctly average and part of the reason they were almost relegated.
Or he could be the next Maguire, who only excelled because his team plays in a low block.
Gets a big transfer, put up shit performances and gets memeified because he's overrated.
This is where he’s at is my worry.
Rice is a DM not a CB.
Just as anyone from Brighton could be the next Bissouma.
No one really knows what’s going to happen.
Ten Hag is building the ability to play
Casemiro
Mount/Eriksen- Bruno
or
Rice - Casemiro
Bruno
depending on the opposition.
1 formation is very creative & another 1 is incredibly hard to penetrate - whilst also having 2 quality players for each position at CDM, CM & CAM.
This is all the whilst not bringing up the creativity of Harry Kane for the forward line.
Don't DM's put up shit performance?
My point at a big club our size his Perfomance would be magnified, one feck up from him would be heavily criticised and Memefied because of the fee paid...
If West Ham think Rice is worth £100m then Harry Maguire is worth £50-60m.
Same criteria apply...he's 29/30...English....International captain.
United need to use their influence and presence to starting changing this transfer market mentality. We should just walk from any negotiation when the price gets ridiculous and put the onus on the player. If he wants the move to United then he puts the pressure on his club to reduce the fee.
The transfer market needs a wholesale change when it comes to player prices.
Same criteria apply...he's 29/30...English....International captain.
United need to use their influence and presence to starting changing this transfer market mentality. We should just walk from any negotiation when the price gets ridiculous and put the onus on the player. If he wants the move to United then he puts the pressure on his club to reduce the fee.
The transfer market needs a wholesale change when it comes to player prices.
Anything more than a swap with Mctomainy and 20m is too much.
His performance will be magnified but so would his set of skills. Moyes himself had conceded that he had to stamp out most of Rice's technique because he needs him as his Rotweiller guarding the defence. Anyway that's not my point.
In a deep defensive line team the focus is on the midfielders rather then the defenders. The former are expected to close the gaps, defend in numbers and then push the ball forward as quickly and as accurately as possible to make the most out of the few chances they can create. Declan Rice's defensive stats are clear testament to that. He tops the number of interceptions in the EPL and is second to distance covered as well. His passing rate at 83.8% is not shabby either. Eriksen is on 84% while Casemiro is on 79%.
In a high line defensive line up the focus is moved to midfield. Defenders are expected to move higher up and close to CM thus adding more bodies and backup to CM. The team creates more chances which in terms dilute the importance of how many great chances are created. Take for example the treble team. Everyone knew that Cole was nowhere near to the likes of Batistuta or Shearer. Its pretty much like comparing Toney to Benzema tbh. However no one gave a feck about that because the chances kept flowing and Cole was able to convert an above average number of them into goals. Same thing on this regard. Rice will be expected to pass the ball well but since United have better players then it will create more chances which in turn dilute the need to make that killer pass. Anyway in a high line defence if shit hits fan then its usually the defenders that gets the blame. They are the ones expected to drop quickly deep and mop the area.
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And he has the most progressive carries up the pitch of a player that is not a dribbling winger or a forward.
This is the way I see it. Maguire will still be attractive to some mid table teams, however his wages will be off putting.
You get a fee, you just subsidise his wages that the buying club couldn't afford to give him by giving him the difference that he would have got if he stayed, so the player isn't missing out.
I hope we are genuinely in for Rice. Probably my favourite non utd player.
mcfred OUT, Mount and Rice in... great business for the club IMHO.
And to those saying Rice aint worth more than 50mill, what world are you living in? Maguire 80, Antony 80, we are talking 50million for Hojlund who doesnt even start for Atalanta
mcfred OUT, Mount and Rice in... great business for the club IMHO.
And to those saying Rice aint worth more than 50mill, what world are you living in? Maguire 80, Antony 80, we are talking 50million for Hojlund who doesnt even start for Atalanta
In an ideal world West Ham would take £60 million and one of McTominay or Maguire on top to round in out to £95 million, could see Moyes being happy with one of those two plus the cash to spend.
I think he does a lot for Arsenal in their midfield two, either replacing Xhaka or HMPartey
Strong reports are Arsenal will launch a 92m bid days after West Ham's conference league final. If you guys are dithering around trying to knock the price down offering McTominay or Maguire you will get nowhere, considering from the get go Arsenal will come close to West Ham's valuation with an all cash bid.
I think your top target is Kane or another striker, whoever it is will be very expensive. Can you part with 90-100m for Rice, and be able to do so again for another striker? On top of that you might need go close to 60m if you are to land Mount. You had liquidity issues last January and could only bring in Weghorst after the out of the blue signing of Casemiro and overpayment of Antony in the summer - probably wasn't budgeted very well.
Rice is headed for Arsenal, I can feel it. He is our top target, we have a place for him in the first team and the London thing is something you cannot offer. We are also under no illusions that West Ham would accept a lower fee if we kick in Holding or Lokonga or any other unwanted player
I agree with all of this. I think him being settled in London is more important than a lot of fans realise. Location is a big deal in any job.
I think he’ll go to Arsenal unless City throw their hat into the ring maybe
I don't think money would be an issue if Utd want to buy Rice. I think they could match that price if they get the indication that West Ham will sell at that price and Rice wants to come to Utd. Every year we get reports of Utd having a set budget but I've never heard of us not being able to buy a player because they got too expensive.
He may want to stay in London and fair enough I guess. I think Caicedo and Rice are going to end up at Utd and Arsenal this summer and it's a case of who goes where. Personally, I think Rice will be the better player for a couple of years but if Caicedo keeps up his current trajectory he will become a better player over the long term. Would be happy with either of the two signings in honesty.
I think you are right, Rice prefer to stay in London and that gives Arsenal an edge. That being said, I would not be surprised if Moyes was quite keen on McT and that is why the player exchange thing has come up. McTominay (or any other player) will probably be quite expensive for them if they sell Rice to Arsenal first, then try to find a replacement.
Article from a month ago.
«West Ham will allow Declan Rice to leave this summer if they receive £120m from a Champions League club; Hammers would also accept £100m plus a player for midfielder; Arsenal most likely destination at the moment for Rice, with Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool also interested»
https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...this-summer-for-120m-to-champions-league-club
(Probably also worth noting that Man Utd will refinance their credit facility in june.)
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Nice, not a Fan of his but your post might have soften my Heart towards him
Rice will cost a bomb, possibly second only to Kane. However there's a reason behind the madness.The homegrown rule is something that we need to consider especially since 5 HG players will probably leave next season (Hendo, Heaton, Maguire, Jones and McT). But there is far more to it. First of all Rice is at the right age. At age 24 you can get 8-9 good years out of the guy.
Someone mentioned Maguire. Attitude wise Rice is anything but Maguire. At Leicester, Maguire was always surrounded with experienced/influential players like Morgan and Schmeichel. Once at United it took us very little to understand why. The guy is thin skinned and he needs to be guided. Rice on the other hand had become West Ham's captain at 23 years of age replacing a player that pretty much played in that same CM. Did that hit his performance? The answer is no. He's actually went from strength to strength and that despite playing in a team that is struggling.
Now let's have a look at his attributes. Defensive wise Declan is a beast. This year he was a duracell bunny on the pitch (second only to Ward prowse in terms of distance covered). He topped the list in terms of interceptions as well so he's both hardworking and can read the game very well.Technically he's also very good for a Defensive minded midfielder. His passing rate is that of a high end type of deep playing playmaker and is superior to the flavour of the month Caicedo.
Tactically I believe that Rice should be given priority just below the STK position. We only have one DM and he's 31. Casemiro is great but legs are the first to go and players like him will age badly. Think of an ageing Gattuso and Keane. They rather see red then being constantly disrespected by some snooty 20 year old something with pace. Rice will learn the trade from the best (ie Casemiro), he'll add mileage to the Brazilian's career and we'll finally have a CM that would be as hard as nails second only to the Ince-Keane duo.
Now that is a more realistic suggestion for player plus cash deal I would say. Wonder which one would suit West Ham better
Stumbling blocks would be the players. I could be wrong, but Maguire's ego would prevent a move to West Ham.
Rice will cost a bomb, possibly second only to Kane. However there's a reason behind the madness.The homegrown rule is something that we need to consider especially since 5 HG players will probably leave next season (Hendo, Heaton, Maguire, Jones and McT). But there is far more to it. First of all Rice is at the right age. At age 24 you can get 8-9 good years out of the guy.
Someone mentioned Maguire. Attitude wise Rice is anything but Maguire. At Leicester, Maguire was always surrounded with experienced/influential players like Morgan and Schmeichel. Once at United it took us very little to understand why. The guy is thin skinned and he needs to be guided. Rice on the other hand had become West Ham's captain at 23 years of age replacing a player that pretty much played in that same CM. Did that hit his performance? The answer is no. He's actually went from strength to strength and that despite playing in a team that is struggling.
Now let's have a look at his attributes. Defensive wise Declan is a beast. This year he was a duracell bunny on the pitch (second only to Ward prowse in terms of distance covered). He topped the list in terms of interceptions as well so he's both hardworking and can read the game very well.Technically he's also very good for a Defensive minded midfielder. His passing rate is that of a high end type of deep playing playmaker and is superior to the flavour of the month Caicedo.
Tactically I believe that Rice should be given priority just below the STK position. We only have one DM and he's 31. Casemiro is great but legs are the first to go and players like him will age badly. Think of an ageing Gattuso and Keane. They rather see red then being constantly disrespected by some snooty 20 year old something with pace. Rice will learn the trade from the best (ie Casemiro), he'll add mileage to the Brazilian's career and we'll finally have a CM that would be as hard as nails second only to the Ince-Keane duo.
Agree with every word.
While a strikker is a bigger need, Rice is a more special opportunity. You said 8-9 years, but that is probably being strict considering that this is a guy who is never injured.
He is definitely an opportunity but convinced he won't leave London despite Mount (if he signs) trying everything to persuade him
I think so too.
He’ll go to Arsenal. Suits them more than us too. I’d rather see a better passer signed to compliment Casmeiros limitations
Rice will be a pretty solid addition to our midfield. Just hope we don't end up paying more than 60m, but there's no question his quality imo. Definitely better than Scott and Fred.
This will not happen. We will most likely go for the 8/10 hybrid like Mason Mount and potentially a young backup value for money 6/8. The connections with United are most likely agent talk to up his price and wages from Arsenal.
My argument is one can’t use England getting to finals as a reason to say Rice is some kind of amazing player, especially when England were meek, mild, and timid.
By your logic, Harry Maguire must be amazing too, because not only was he in those same England squads as Rice, but he also captained the side, don't you know.
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Could Rabiot work as the backup 6/8 and yes I know he can't be classed as young
Rabiot is less likely to come as the back up than Rice IMO.
I like him a lot as a player. Would he agree to not being an automatic starter though? But actually yes. Mount, Bruno, Rabiot and Casemiro is a very good group. Rabiot could probably both cover for Casemiro and also give us the option to play double pivot and we move on from Fred and McTominay.
No chance does Rice accept a back up role. If we get Rice we 100% play double pivot with 2 mostly defensive mids.
I meant in terms of him partnering Casa in the big away games and covering when playing some of the more favourable fixtures
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