Dean Henderson warning to David De Gea - I came back to Manchester United to take your place

IAmAWinner said:
I think, unless Henderson has a calamity of a season, DDG will be sold next year. Glazers can save on wages again. Seems obvious to me.
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Who's buying DDG and paying his wages? Best case scenario is DH gets DDG to pick his form up IMO and DH is sold for good money next summer. He'll probably only be good enough for top half of the Premier League...
 
Rocksy said:
Who's buying DDG and paying his wages? Best case scenario is DH gets DDG to pick his form up IMO and DH is sold for good money next summer. He'll probably only be good enough for top half of the Premier League...
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If we sell DDG fo $1, there might be some takers.
 
Rocksy said:
Who's buying DDG and paying his wages? Best case scenario is DH gets DDG to pick his form up IMO and DH is sold for good money next summer. He'll probably only be good enough for top half of the Premier League...
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Why do you think he would only accept the same wages? Older footballers can demand less money obviously and prefer to play than sit on the bench
 
De Gea is number 1.

Henderson is a rookie I have no affinity towards. If he comes in and proves he can dislodge De Gea and be a world class keeper then great. Until he does that I've little interest in the guy and genuinely think De Gea needs a bit more respect.
 
De Gea was really good last night apparently.
 
Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
De Gea is number 1.

Henderson is a rookie I have no affinity towards. If he comes in and proves he can dislodge De Gea and be a world class keeper then great. Until he does that I've little interest in the guy and genuinely think De Gea needs a bit more respect.
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Reading your post, it would appear that Henderson is the one who needs a bit more respect.
 
Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
De Gea is number 1.

Henderson is a rookie I have no affinity towards. If he comes in and proves he can dislodge De Gea and be a world class keeper then great. Until he does that I've little interest in the guy and genuinely think De Gea needs a bit more respect.
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Yeah good luck with that plan, Dean you cocky SoB (unless you can be a sweeper keeper in which case I love you)
 
This lad isn't in the same class as De Gea! Sheffield United is his level the same way Watford is Fosters, Everton's was Howard's. De Gea makes a few (yes very costly) mistakes and suddenly he's useless? English press hyping Dean Henderson, Romero is better than him.
 
greendevil said:
This lad isn't in the same class as De Gea! Sheffield United is his level the same way Watford is Fosters, Everton's was Howard's. De Gea makes a few (yes very costly) mistakes and suddenly he's useless? English press hyping Dean Henderson, Romero is better than him.
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What is surprising is the people who actually think you can get rid of a world class goalkeeper in De Gea and replace him with this cocky lad. Reminds me of people who think next season Tuanzebe in central defence, Laird left back etc. Delusional stuff. Trust me if Henderson makes one or two clangers they are the first people who would be on his back, blaming Woodward why he did not sign Oblak. As good as Greenwood is, if we want to seriously challenge and even stay in top 4, we cant rely too much on inexperience at this level. Good goalkeepers have struggled at Old Trafford and I don't see how some unproven cocky lad can change that theory.
 
The situation is a bit unusual, one could say.

Providing the under-performing starter with some competition (from a younger, "hungrier" player) is par for the course. But giving the younger player a huge contract (making him one of the best paid players in the world in his position) is...certainly not common practice.

And it becomes all the more unusual when factoring in that the under-performing starter himself is only thirty years old - which is nothing for a goal keeper.

Actually, Dave is only 29 - he should be entering his best years, really.

Let's say (and I'm sure we all hope this will happen) Dave does step up - what then? We have a second choice GK on big money who clearly won't be happy being second choice for...well, years.

Expensive way to give DDG a kick up the arse.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
De Gea was really good last night apparently.
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Yeah I watched the game. Not only he was very good with his shot stopping, he was playing good passes too. However, there was one chance from rudiger I think was from corner where he could have done better. But overall, a solid game.
 
I wonder if he and Ole have some kind of agreement behind closed doors. Maybe some kind of assurance that he plans to cash in on DDG next season?
 
Chesterlestreet said:
The situation is a bit unusual, one could say.

Providing the under-performing starter with some competition (from a younger, "hungrier" player) is par for the course. But giving the younger player a huge contract (making him one of the best paid players in the world in his position) is...certainly not common practice.

And it becomes all the more unusual when factoring in that the under-performing starter himself is only thirty years old - which is nothing for a goal keeper.

Actually, Dave is only 29 - he should be entering his best years, really.

Let's say (and I'm sure we all hope this will happen) Dave does step up - what then? We have a second choice GK on big money who clearly won't be happy being second choice for...well, years.

Expensive way to give DDG a kick up the arse.
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As good as he has been, he is still yet to reach his peak (theoretically speaking) in terms of GKs growth or development rate. VdS was well into his 30s and was still a really good GK. Hopefully he is not one of those that peaks early like Casillas though. DDG is still one of the best out there based on yesterday's showing. Let's just hope he continues to do so in coming new season.
 
NotQuiteManc said:
Hopefully he is not one of those that peaks early like Casillas though.
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That's the worry. Very real worry too, as I've said before. De Gea needs to add dimensions to his game which he, frankly, hasn't shown any signs of having in his locker thus far.

But the point is...if you (that is, if Ole/United) suspect this is the case (i.e. that he's in the Casillas bracket), what do you do?

I dunno. You replace him, I suppose, if you're ruthless enough.

We haven't done that, though. We've provided him with some competition - from a player who may or may not turn into a top notch keeper, but who has been made one of the best paid in his position in the world.

Does that make sense?

Can't say I'm convinced.
 
choiboyx012 said:
I wonder if he and Ole have some kind of agreement behind closed doors. Maybe some kind of assurance that he plans to cash in on DDG next season?
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Doubtful.

It's more likely that Ole asked Henderson to stay, along with the improved contract, to give DDG a sorely needed kick up the ass. Although, I'm sure Henderson will get his chance to shine if DDG is still making the same costly mistakes by the midway point of next season.
 
It's interesting that DdG couldn't get into the Liverpool or City teams even on top form because he doesn't leave his line to be a sweeper keeper. If that's his long term problem then Henderson doesn't seem to be the answer? I haven't seen him play enough to know.
 
As expected many fans are quickly dividing themselves into the De Gea camp and Henderson camp.. (not) looking forward them to agenda post entire season in favour of their made up minds regardless of actual performances
 
UpWithRivers said:
No player has ever taken a 250k drop in wages. It will never happen.
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ighalo dropped 120k a week to play for United. Sanchez dropped 17 million from his United contract to escape to Inter, so where’s there’s a will there’s a way. Plus never is a long time, 30 years from now lord knows what players will be earning.
 
Red_toad said:
ighalo dropped 120k a week to play for United. Sanchez dropped 17 million from his United contract to escape to Inter, so where’s there’s a will there’s a way. Plus never is a long time, 30 years from now lord knows what players will be earning.
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Ighalo was still paid the remaining money from his Chinese club, and I'm pretty sure we paid Sanchez a lump sum on his exit to make up for the change in salary.
 
Matriac said:
Ighalo was still paid the remaining money from his Chinese club, and I'm pretty sure we paid Sanchez a lump sum on his exit to make up for the change in salary.
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Wrong on both counts.
ighalo took a 40% cut, his club wanted him back, not a chance in hell they pay him 120k a week to stay away.
Sanchez got a pay out of between 5 and 7 million from United, his wages are vastly lower at Inter, 5 to 7 million is no where near what he could have gotten for sitting out his deal. From what I can see his Inter base monthly wage is the same as his base weekly wage at United. So looks like someone did take in excess of 250k a week pay cut already.
If Dave loses his place I’m pretty sure he’s not going to stick around and will go back to Spain on loan in an attempt to keep his international place.
 
If this gets De Gea back to peak form then it doesn't matter, a peak De Gea its top 3 in the world. However if he doesn't then Henderson can come in and hopefully do a job. The real question is how much leeway does De Gea get.
 
No question DDG ability but for me, goalkeepers are expected to offer more than shoot stopping. For me, his starting position is too deep and therefore offers us very little cover behind the CB's. I think we could play further up the pitch if he was better. Also he does command his box, rarely comes for crosses and when he does, he's far from convincing. Whilst I know it's a lottery, his penalty save ratio is really poor and finally for me is his kicking. Not good enough especially if it's another way to beat the press by going long.....
 
duffer said:
How bad will De Gea need to be to get dropped? Will being a little bit mediocre be enough or will it take Kepa-ish stats?
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Good question.

The second choice has been offered a big contract and has stated explicitly that he's after the job on a permanent basis. So, presumably he won't be happy sitting on the bench while DDG delivers a string of mediocre performances.

Another question is how DDG will respond to being dropped. The idea that this is a pure win-win scenario for United is premised on the assumption that either DDG will respond well to being challenged OR that Henderson turns out to be a top notch keeper.

The worst case scenario is that DDG responds badly to being challenged - and that Henderson turns out to be run-of-the-mill (or worse). In which case we'll have two (more or less) mediocre keepers on our books, both on huge-to-big money contracts.
 
Rocksy said:
Who's buying DDG and paying his wages? Best case scenario is DH gets DDG to pick his form up IMO and DH is sold for good money next summer. He'll probably only be good enough for top half of the Premier League...
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Future plans?
Would you rather we kept DdG, who has had some very dodgy moments over the last few years, and they are getting more regular? and then sell him in one or two years for next to nothing and only have Grant as our back up?
DH has to come in now, prove to DdG that he is our no.1 and the future of utd as well as Englands future no.1. We must look past De Gea " having a good game against Germany ". That kind of comment usually follows a player that has been suspect in recent games.
 
I think Henderson needed to know he would not go out on loan to sign the contract. Ole has to at least show him that he is being given a shot. Even if DDG (which is very likely) remains United's number one. Otherwise we might have lost Henderson for nothing in the future.
 
From the DDG performance thread:

Stretender said:
Stop comparing Henderson to De Gea. One is an international keeper for Spain and has been saving United's shortcomings since Fergie left. He can handle the pressure. The other one is just a cocky English lad like Joe Hart. Lets get real.
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Not the biggest De Gea fan these days but I get similar vibes myself to be honest from Henderson, shades of Pickford as well (and it's not just an England keeper thing, Pickford is also a bit gobby...)

It's a big gamble from Ole bringing Henderson in alongside De Gea. Yes, it could turn De Gea back into a world beater and if not we have a solid alternative. On the other hand it could crush De Gea's confidence and focus and then it turns out Henderson isn't good enough to be our #1 either.

If he wanted to give De Gea a kick up the arse a more prudent thing to do might have been to drop him for Romero for some league games last season. We've missed that boat now due to timing and him seemingly alienating Sergio.

Big OGS fan but not sure about the overall strategy. Hats off to him if it works.
 
sugar_kane said:
Not the biggest De Gea fan these days but I get similar vibes myself to be honest from Henderson, shades of Pickford as well (and it's not just an England keeper thing, Pickford is also a bit gobby...)

It's a big gamble from Ole bringing Henderson in alongside De Gea. Yes, it could turn De Gea back into a world beater and if not we have a solid alternative. On the other hand it could crush De Gea's confidence and focus and then it turns out Henderson isn't good enough to be our #1 either.

If he wanted to give De Gea a kick up the arse a more prudent thing to do might have been to drop him for Romero for some league games last season. We've missed that boat now due to timing and him seemingly alienating Sergio.

Big OGS fan but not sure about the overall strategy. Hats off to him if it works.
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If it 'crushes' De Gea then it just shows that we'll need to replace him regardless of whether it's Henderson or someone in the long term. That it might be our own youth product, who has shown some promise and deserves a chance despite being giving a lot of benefit of the doubt and over heralded is another thing.

If Henderson doesn't work out for us, the fact we've tied him down to a good contract means he will be of at least a good transfer value to us (I'm sure other mid-table teams would probably take him, just look at Pickford £30m to Everton) or if he accepts, might be a potential long term viable no.2 option, if we say replace De Gea next year.

It's a 'brave' but calculated choice by Ole.
 
I dont get one thing - How is Henderson going to “push” De Gea when Romero has never had a bad game for us.

A lot of you seem to be convinced in this but I don’t see what the big difference is.

For me, we would have been better off loaning/selling Henderson with a buy back. He should be playing week in week out.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Some of you need a refresher of just how shit De Gea was for us last season. Don’t think it will take Henderson long.
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Rubbish. He dropped a few clangers, so did your precious Henderson. Let’s see how he copes with being the United-keeper in the league cup. Some respect for DDG please, he just played for Spain against Germany and kept them in the game - Henderson isn’t even able to replace Jordan Pickford for England.
 
James Peril said:
Rubbish. He dropped a few clangers, so did your precious Henderson. Let’s see how he copes with being the United-keeper in the league cup. Some respect for DDG please, he just played for Spain against Germany and kept them in the game - Henderson isn’t even able to replace Jordan Pickford for England.
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Henderson turned 23 this year and is coming off the back of his first year in the PL. I’m sure we all remember De Gea’s debut season in the Prem!
 
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