But your original point was saying it weakens their negotiating position because of them giving Lingard a contract last season which really doesn't have any relevance to the situation. It's different scenarios. This is them purely wanting to negotiate to try and get the best out of their summer. They already paid Hendersons wages last year, the point of them negotiating is to try an get a better deal.
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But your original point was saying it weakens their negotiating position because of them giving Lingard a contract last season which really doesn't have any relevance to the situation. It's different scenarios. This is them purely wanting to negotiate to try and get the best out of their summer. They already paid Hendersons wages last year, the point of them negotiating is to try an get a better deal.
This is true. Before he had signed the contract he was valued around 40 millions. But I bet he was on something around 25k per week before that contract. (also his value has been hit a bit due to injuries)
30m or they can feck off. He is a good keeper, and at a good age as well.
If we can't get a new keeper in, I would rather keep him than have DDG at the club anymore.
If we can't get a new keeper in, I would rather keep him than have DDG at the club anymore.
Considering his wages, 20m would be fair enough for me. Especially given our apparent desperate need for funds. We need to clear out the bloat from this squad (Bailly, Telles, Williams et al) and then look to rebuild with sensible purchases.
I think we’ll settle on £20 million which allows £100 million in terms of FFP for us plus £100K off the wage bill, getting De Gea off the wage bill too will be massive for us.
Lingard was a 30 yr old squad player, Henderson is a 26 yr old keeper who will be there number 1 for the next 4-6 years. If Forest stay in the premier league they can easily afford his wages, bear in mind last season they were paying Lingard, Henderson and Kaylor Navas big wages. There is no reason Forest cannot afford his wages this season, and if they end up getting relegated they will easily recoup 25-30 m selling him next summer and not need to worry about his wages after that.
Usual drill, we SHOULD be able to get strong money, but having foolishly whopped him onto 100k a week, that might complicate it.
Although money is so ludicrous in the premier league that it wouldn't surprise you to hear he'd get that if not more at Forest!
Although money is so ludicrous in the premier league that it wouldn't surprise you to hear he'd get that if not more at Forest!
I can afford a lot of things in my life but I don't buy them because it's not a good management of my budget hence why Henderson are trying to negotiate the best deal so they can manage their budgets.
I think that’s the thing. Let’s say if Forest has a budget salary for keeper at around 50k, then by giving Henderson 5 years contract they have to pay him 13.5m more. It all adds up to the investment cost, making 25m signing a nearly 40m from extra salary.
Academy players allow for the whole fee to put on the yearly balance sheet and with the whole amortisation thing the fee is multiplied by 5 due to standard length of contracts so an academy player at £20 million allows for £100 million for FFP.
That report is based on what we can spend without selling so if we spent £150 million then sold Henderson for £20 million we would be allowed to buy a player for £100 million and spread the cost over 5 years, it’s basically what Chelsea have done over the past year or so but on a longer level and why FFP changed their rules to a 5 year maximum pay structure for all transfers.
Yeah but again, I'd argue that if you're going to start paying £25m for a footballer then you have to expect salary demands in advance of £100K per week.
They are in the big leagues now, earning the big TV revenues. Perhaps if they trimmed their 148-man squad they could afford him?
The year on the bench and the injury have affected his reputation. We should stop paying players aren't starters what midtable teams can't afford.
That’s good - that probably needs another 10-15 mil on tops for a GK like Onana.
I believe it would be more beneficial to retain Henderson if he genuinely regrets his actions and words. Additionally, it is crucial for him to publicly apologize to the club, the manager, and the supporters. Henderson is a talented goalkeeper, and unless we can secure a replacement of higher caliber than both DDG and Henderson, our season may be at risk. I strongly suspect that much of the turmoil from the previous season stemmed from another player who had a sense of superiority over the club.
I don't worry too much about him talking shit but he was crap when we gave him a run in the first team and he's not been good enough since to attract interest outside of Forest. There'll be no shortage of keepers we can sign who'd be better bets than him.
He really wasn't. He had a couple of crap games, but overall he was comfortably better than De Gea was that same season and also better than what De Gea has been for most of the two seasons since. It wasn't a coincidence that Henderson's run in the team is literally the only time in the last five years that we conceded less than a goal per game.
Ultimately I certainly prefer better again, but he wasn't crap.
That’s a brilliant deal for us if we get £30 million for Henderson, personally I think Henderson is better than De Gea but moving both on to save £475K a week and £30 million in transfer fees coming in is for once a fantastic bit of business by us.
Hope this is true. It's a very good deal for us. 30M to get rid of a big dressing room ego.
30m is a great deal, take that every day of the week.
£30m would be a great price to receive for once for one of our squad players. Though us 'reportedly asking for it' is different than us actually getting it by the end of negotiations of course.
It's a shame about Henderson. To establish yourself in the first team after coming through the United ranks you do probably need a lot of self confidence and some 'ego'. But you probably also need the self awareness to keep that in check and respect the senior players until you've actually established yourself and earned your place in there.
Henderson could maybe have made it here. But didn't seem prepared to wait his turn and compete for the spot and has burned his bridges with some of his comments about the club.
If we can get a good fee for him then that's good business by us. And noticeable that it only really seems to be Forest in for him, which isn't really a great advert for his view that he should already be #1 at a club like United.
It's a shame about Henderson. To establish yourself in the first team after coming through the United ranks you do probably need a lot of self confidence and some 'ego'. But you probably also need the self awareness to keep that in check and respect the senior players until you've actually established yourself and earned your place in there.
Henderson could maybe have made it here. But didn't seem prepared to wait his turn and compete for the spot and has burned his bridges with some of his comments about the club.
If we can get a good fee for him then that's good business by us. And noticeable that it only really seems to be Forest in for him, which isn't really a great advert for his view that he should already be #1 at a club like United.
This moved very quickly from a £30m deal to a £15m deal. Maybe it is £15m of add-ons, in which case I hope they are realistic. We should only ever do add-ons that have a high probability of paying out (when selling), and then we could even hedge against those events not happening, such as Forest avoiding relegation, and we would buy insurance to protect against Forest getting relegated, so we have locked in say 90% of that extra £15m, ie £13.5m.
Luckhurst say a deal up to 30m. Wheeler say 15+ addons.
Would love to have got £30m for him but let’s be serious with ourselves. He’s not a £30m keeper and the fans of any club that spends that on him would be furious.
So it’s probably 15m +15m addons then.
£15 million up front is disappointing , he was a number 1 GK for a PL club last season. We should be pushing for £20millon
Get it done, ship him there.
30 million? Christ, take their hands off for that.
It's Luckhurst reporting before anyone gets too excited.
A £30m lump sum would be great, means net 15m on the new Gk which we can pay over contract length.
I suspect this same method of player transfers will be used for the rest of the transfer targets we have.
Fred leaves before McT because of his contract expiry next year. That gives us bulk of the money for Sofyan Ambat.
This leaves us with a decent whack of cash for the Atalanta Cfwd we really need.
Good smart business tbh, should have started doing this years ago.
I suspect this same method of player transfers will be used for the rest of the transfer targets we have.
Fred leaves before McT because of his contract expiry next year. That gives us bulk of the money for Sofyan Ambat.
This leaves us with a decent whack of cash for the Atalanta Cfwd we really need.
Good smart business tbh, should have started doing this years ago.
Get it done. Fred and hopefully McTominay to follow.
30m would be a dream scenario, it's basically pure profit on a academy player and get's 100k a week off the wage bill. I'm a little bit sad it didn't work out for him here, but it's clear we're going in a different direction.
If we can move on Elanga and Fred for decent fees, we're a long way towards paying for a No 9.
If we can move on Elanga and Fred for decent fees, we're a long way towards paying for a No 9.
We need to accept 30m bid, it solves a few problems immediately
Good for him, Good for us, Good for them, Good fee, Good all round.
30m?! Wtf are they smoking over there...and can I have some of it 
What’s he’s worth!! No opinion except get it done.
Class. Anything above 20m is fine I think, given the wages.
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