He was trying far too hard.
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Henderson has a very, very, very long kick. He will once score from it if he aims for the goal
Pretty sure the stats suggest he's not that good at sweeping either. Better than DDG obviously, but just around average for a PL keeper.
Really he's mostly a fairly old-fashioned shot-stopper, the comparison with De Gea just distorts that impression of him sometimes. He seems well-rounded because we're comparing him to someone who is very one-dimensional and he doesn't seem to be a particularly gifted shot-stopper because we're comparing him to someone who is very gifted in that one dimension.
Yep, I thought he was solid tonight. Goal conceded wasn’t his fault as it was a very good strike by the opponent after VDB gave the ball away in a bad area.
Definitely I think he’ll be given a game over the Christmas period too.
I thought he did pretty well, but I do agree with this. He kicks the ball kinda like Pickford. They both look like they're in a major panic while doing it. I do really like that he is willing to leave his box. There were multiple instances he potentially stopped a good attack from them. De Gea would have never come out on any of those occasions.
If De Gea's form drops, I think he'll get a shot as the #1 for a while. Don't know if he'll ever be good enough for the long term, though. I'm worried that if we ever sold him, it'd come back to bite us in the ass.
Should be number 1
David De Gea is a better shot stopper but Dean is a better goalkeeper.
He’ll go on to have a very mediocre career elsewhere. Maybe West Ham or somewhere like that.
Good sweeping and catching inside the box. Bit disappointed with his ball distribution, granted the easy square pass wasn't available some of the times but wanted a bit more bravery on it. However, that's understandable seeing it's his first game in a long while.
Am I the only who thought he could have saved the goal? Didn't move his feet, dived from where his feet was planted and used his 'wrong' arm; just looks 'technically' wrong for me.
He should be given more games. Deserves a fair chance to battle with De Gea.
Am I the only who thought he could have saved the goal? Didn't move his feet, dived from where his feet was planted and used his 'wrong' arm; just looks 'technically' wrong for me.
He should be given more games. Deserves a fair chance to battle with De Gea.
I think he did well.
yes, it was a potentially saveable strike. A good strike, surely (so can’t be classified as a GK mistake), but still there were chances to reach it.
No, for attempting saves in the top corner GKs have to use their opposite arm for maximum reach. It's the correct technique.
This is De Gea's ridiculous save from Mata's freekick at the Bridge years ago.
I thought he looked comfortable kicking, with either foot aswell reasonable accuracy and the ability to go long could be used as a weapon in certain scenarios.
He was actively showing for the ball to make the extra man when we passed out from the back aswell.
He was like a rabbit in the headlights last night. A number of times he just stood there not knowing what to do. I was surprised as his distribution of the ball was something that he did better than De Gea in the past.
I really like his proactive sweeper style. But I can understand a new manager goes for much safer pick in DDG who's excellent and experienced Gk.
Playing for one of the better sides in the Premier League would be a mediocre career..what a fecking moronic post!!!
Never in a million years
Right back at you. West Ham won’t be one of the better Premier League sides for long. Like they haven’t been for the overwhelming majority of their history.
De Gea made many such saves, it’s possible.
No, for attempting saves in the top corner GKs have to use their opposite arm for maximum reach. It's the correct technique.
This is De Gea's ridiculous save from Mata's freekick at the Bridge years ago.
Perhaps they're more comfortable with using the opposite arm to reach over but it still doesn't make sense from a physical p.o.v as the arm on the other side of the body is always closer. However, whether you can get momentum and position to use it is another question. Hence why I question the (lack) of movement from the feet. I know I'm being harsh of course but I feel when keepers dive from their spot, it's more a reaction to the shot being taken rather than reading the shot/positioning to cover the goal.
But you are talking about one of, if not the greatest shot stoppers in history. I think everyone is in agreement that dean is not in the same class as Dave when it comes to shotstopping. The question is if his other qualities would be deemed more beneficial to the team, moving forward.
It does make sense as when you're diving left at full stretch your left arm is facing down to the ground and your right arm is facing up, to the top corner. Have another look at the De Gea pic I posted yesterday.
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Top right hand corner and he missed it by an inch.
It was a goal made from our own outfield players so I can forgive Henderson for that.
It was a goal made from our own outfield players so I can forgive Henderson for that.
He will be United number 1 and have a stellar career here.
If you understand basic physics and anatomy, you should understand why it's the correct technique to use the opposite arm. There are literally at least 10 reasons on why it's better to use the other hand but you still can't see it. =))
You are wrong unfortunately
I think his sweeping was good but he had 8% success with his long kicks.
It was the type of goal we have seen far too many times this season, created from our own stupidity. That was the reason I was fine with Henderson punting it long whenever he had the chance, and it seems like it could be a instruction from the manager based on his comments after the match.
The guy was either completely at fault or partially at fault for 6 of the 9 goals we conceded in November, how much more do we need his form to drop?
A few things to cover here.
No1 The use of his right arm to attempt to save the shot was definitely correct, if he attempts to use his left, he would get no where near it, you get slightly more horizontal reach if you go with with your left, but no where near the vertical reach, with the shot actually going over both vertically and horizontally past hendersons right arm there is no way in hell he would get there with his left not unless he has some sort of arm extension he can suddenly use.
No2 he actually takes about three steps to the his left inbetween the young boy players first touch and his shot, he's actually still slightly mid air as the shot is taken, if anything the last little shuffle might of hampered him as I don't think he quite got the lift off he wanted because he has to rush his take off because he wasn't grounded as the shot came in. It may of made no difference whatsoever of course, but to suggest there was no foot movement is absolute rubbish. He actively moves across anticipating the shot and positioning himself as best he could (considering one of his teammates gifted the chance) its just a very good finish right in the top corner, can't save everything unfortunately.
Reasons I believe he will be preferred over DDG
His shot stopping ability isn't that much less
He hasn't been trained to play out the back like DDG has. His drop kicks are brutal which puts pressure in the opposition third allowing our strikers to press with a high defensive line
Very good sweeper and makes himself the 11 outfield player
This is all what Rangnick is a fan of
His shot stopping ability isn't that much less
He hasn't been trained to play out the back like DDG has. His drop kicks are brutal which puts pressure in the opposition third allowing our strikers to press with a high defensive line
Very good sweeper and makes himself the 11 outfield player
This is all what Rangnick is a fan of
Oh come on now. For all the comparisons you can make between the two, this is the one trait they are not near equal.
I kind of agree as I really haven't seen any ridiculous shot stopping ability yet from Henderson, at Man Utd mind you. But apparantly he was very very good for Sheffield United. His former team mate at Sheffield United Sander Berge is waxing lyrical about him:
"He's completely insane. I have never encountered such a good goalkeeper. One thing is matches, he is almost a defense alone at times, and you feel so much security in him. But people need to see him in training. It's completely crazy. He saves shots from one meter. Sometimes I get completely speechless by how good he is. It's like having two goalkeepers in goal with him. He is absolutely fantastic.
He's so confident. He knows he is good, and he takes advantage of that too. He is exceptional
From what I have seen, I definitely think he is England's number one. It is fantastic to follow him and to have him at my team.
Admittedly, sometimes it can be too much.
To play against him in training, it is… you are mentally put out, because he saves all the shots. It's totally sick. I had a training session where I had to set three easy goals, but he just saved everything. It is completely sick."
Google translate so it's a bit odd, but I guess it's safe to say Berge is a fan
He probably got peppered with shots at Sheffield United and could really show of his quality. Not so much at United and not so much as De Gea at United...... and that's the interesting part...
Then United will continue to be nowhere near winning major honours. I can’t see it.
You people are acting like he will make or break the club. You're forgetting barca had valdes and ac milan had dida.
Both mediocre goalkeepers but unstoppable teams.
Both mediocre goalkeepers but unstoppable teams.
De Gea's shot stopping ability is significantly greater than Henderson's. Whatever else De Gea's flaws as a keeper may be, it's virtually undeniable that De Gea is the greatest shot stopper on the player today and has been over the last decade. I like Henderson a lot, but we must careful with our praise.
I'm not sure I would agree with that. There are a couple I think he could have done better with, though. He has made many world class saves this season. I don't think Henderson would have made some of those saves. De Gea has been far better this season than he has at any point since summer 2018.
I would still be fine with Henderson getting a shot. His sweeping and control of his area is a huge asset that we don't get with De Gea.
Anyone saying it was a savable shot is a complete idiot. It was off the post and in and he was at full stretch. I get that "team De Gea" don't want to give Henderson praise, but De Gea doesn't save that either. The only way that is saved is if the keeper happened to be cheating to his left, and in that situation, there would be no reason to be cheating that way...
It does make sense as when you're diving left at full stretch your left arm is facing down to the ground and your right arm is facing up, to the top corner. Have another look at the De Gea pic I posted yesterday.
First of all, I know I am being harsh. I'm just thinking of it from a hypothetical pov, if he had perhaps moved his feet to direct his dive better and this is the crucial bit I think some of you may be missing.
For the 'better' arm for reach/physics argument, if you lift both your arms in the air whilst standing still/in a seated position and try to reach over to your left side, which arm is the furthest and highest to the left? It's your left of course. Therefore the only reason why he couldn't reach the ball with his left is not 'physics' but his approach to the save (and/or perhaps his one-handedness, which is why I previously mentioned his comfortability with it). The bolded bit is exactly what I'm 'criticising'. He could have in theory took another stutter step to his left and/or generated a better jump or momentum, if he had planted his foot to dive with a stronger force to cover the goal. And I mean this bit very specifically because I think he may have been reacting (and dived too early) to the shot being taken rather than covering the frame of the goal. In simplistic terms, I don't think he gave his left arm (or even his right) the best chance to reach it with that feet movement. Therefore, it's looks a bit fundamentally off to me. This is a poor example but it's a bit like a player using his right foot to receive a ball that is coming in the direction of his left foot.
From 3:40, right behind Henderson is the best angle.
Anyways I've had a quite a few of these posts where I thought goals could have been saved. Said it a few times in the De Gea thread too (Coutinho at Camp Nou and Neves at Molineux iirc).
I'm not blaming him for the goal. It's the 'if he could have done better' that I'm curious about. I know very well there's not a science to it and it's easy to point out minute flaws from the comfort of your sofa
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Not even a remote chance he'll ever get the no.1 jersey at United. Nil.
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