Push to where? He is already on the ground and he can't push it outside. All he can do was tip it high so that our CBs can head it out.
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I wonder if we'll see a more organised pair of centre-halves with Henderson in goal and little bit more confidence at the back with crosses, compared to DDG. Time will tell.
He was nice and vocal. Strong presence in the box. His save was nice. It’s encouraging so far. He looks like he could a future captain. Hopefully he has the skills to go with his solid mentality!
It is impossible to push that out of play. Terrific save there.
Agree. Absolute top draw save.
If we concede there its a nervy ending. After having little to do all game, that was impressive. Only the best keepers stay that focused all game and produce the goods.
Looked very good, albeit not much to do.
I wonder if he will get the playtime required. It is a massive downgrade going from a first-team PL goalkeeper to one who only plays league cup and fa cup.
Hopefully, he gets chances in the Premier League, as well. He has taken a pretty big risk in terms of career by signing the contract and coming back as number 2. I think he should have held off on the contract a bit for the benefit of his career, but then again, refusing £100k a week is madness.
Hopefully, he hasn't locked himself into a number-two position for a few seasons.
I wonder if he will get the playtime required. It is a massive downgrade going from a first-team PL goalkeeper to one who only plays league cup and fa cup.
Hopefully, he gets chances in the Premier League, as well. He has taken a pretty big risk in terms of career by signing the contract and coming back as number 2. I think he should have held off on the contract a bit for the benefit of his career, but then again, refusing £100k a week is madness.
Hopefully, he hasn't locked himself into a number-two position for a few seasons.
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It’s not necessarily harsh to point out the absolute world class levels that he needs to reach. It’s pointing out the fine details between being world class and very good.
Was it a major error? No but is it a potential issue against world class strikers to be putting it back into danger? Yes.
The shot being stopped is always the most important thing but it’s a vital part of goalkeeper to consider where the shot then ends up too otherwise the initial save is pointless.
A more alert striker and the follow up could be a goal so while we should be delighted with his performance it doesn’t mean there aren’t things to improve.
“Tip out wide not inside” General rule of goalkeeping.
It’s a very good save but a world class keeper tips it wide. He’s developing really nicely though.
It’s not impossible but very few GKs have the ability to react and guide the save too. De Gea is one of them.
Everyone should be encouraged by Henderson’s performance.
I noticed he did do that a bit last season when I watched his highlights so it is something he should be working on. This particular situation is very harsh to criticise him though when he was at such a stretch, plus with the position he was in even if he did have a chance to push it wide it would have risked hitting the post and bouncing god only knows where.
Singling out “things that need to improve” from a single outstanding save is taking nit-picking to frankly bonkers levels. Especially when the main gist of the post seems to be “Dave wouldn’t do that” after a season where he made more horrific blunders than most other keepers in the league.
Now this really is a shot that should have been pushed away from a dangerous area...
Now this really is a shot that should have been pushed away from a dangerous area...
Am I alone in thinking that there's been quite a lot of supposedly 'world class goals' that de Gea really should have saved or at least got a hand to
Quite often in games we see those sorts of goals go in when you think - maybe he could have saved them. Like de Gea doesn't even move sometimes and that to me is a really bad sign.
Looks good, loads of potential. I think he needs to get the authority to control the defenders. He does come for crosses which DeGea rarely does. I hope he gets more meaningful game time. Problem is, if he makes an error which he’s bound to do, he will be crucified and that will be a big test for his confidence.
Am I alone in thinking that there's been quite a lot of supposedly 'world class goals' that de Gea really should have saved or at least got a hand to
Quite often in games we see those sorts of goals go in when you think - maybe he could have saved them. Like de Gea doesn't even move sometimes and that to me is a really bad sign.
I haven’t noticed too much wrong with his shot-stopping. My issue with him has always been how hesitant he is coming off his line, which has been compounded recently by sloppy passing with his feet and way more gross basic errors than you would expect from a supposedly world class keeper. I didn’t watch SU enough to know how good Henderson is at the whole sweeper keeper thing but it wouldn’t be hard to be better than De Gea.
Think though its an expensive contract we are handling this right, play him in cup games so he can ease himself into the pressure of our shirt, without so much pressure if that makes sense....On the flip side though, although I dont think he is ready to be our number one and though people are getting carried away from his performances last season, he may actually never be....I do hope if we get DeGea howlers that the manager has the balls to drop DeGea and give him the opportunity to step up if it is there
You are expecting too much. Do you remember the Southampton save from De Gea ? Very similar but De Gea had more space to make the jump but still tipped it inside of the box and the defender cleared it.
You are conveniently forgetting Hendo's was a point blank save and he was already on air stretching himself to reach the ball.
Tip it where?
Physics wouldn't let him do that. Tipping the ball was not an option, he was literally at full stretch and had to claw the ball off the line. The only place he is tipping that to is into the goal.
You are either desperate to find something, or you are taking the piss, or you need to watch the save again I think.
He has a presence about him, very vocal which I liked. The few times he had possession he also looked good. I'll be honest I didn't see much of him when he was out on loan, and it's hard to judge him in this game really, but all signs looked good. I liked how he didn't have to do much but when needed to, he stood up. He didn't lose concentration. Be interested to see him against better opposition.
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I think people who watched him at Sheffield may understand what I mean when I say he needs to work on tipping wide not centrally. It was a theme of his game last season.
I’m not really criticising him I just believe a world class keeper tips it less centrally. It’s one of the core things engrained into GKs is situational awareness and he was brilliant at the initial reaction and stop but it’s the after care now he needs to work on.
It’s the kind of thing you’d be ok with him not doing at top 4 level but if he wants to be a title winning GK and displace De Gea I think he needs to work on it. I’ve said many times already he had a great game and now we want him to work on some small details suddenly people think you’re attacking a player?
Tipping it would have been preferable to laying it more central as a Harry Kane/Aguero etc finishes that chance off.
Yes and I’d argue a world class save would again keep it away from central areas.
I care not for which player is in goal and have merely pointed out an aspect of Henderson’s shot stopping that if you go back and look at his seasons previously you’d notice he hasn’t developed the after care of shots.
Henderson is able to push it back centrally if he is able to push it back he can also push it sideways a bit more too. It’s subtle but these are the small details in a world class performance we take for granted.
It’s something EVDS was excellent at.
The push back wasn’t needed a solid glove cushions it wider and away.
I really like Henderson I hope one day he’ll take over from De Gea and save us a lot of money but there is nothing wrong with pointing out flaws however small they may seem.
Care to show me a video where VDS tipped a similar shot outside ?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
I could give you about ten reasons why there was nothing wrong with the save. If Aguero was the one on the end of the the rebound and finished it off, then good for him, the ball goes to the centre circle. The only reason there's even a conversation here is because it is Dean Henderson and not every other keeper.
You think those two wrongs are as bad as each other? I don’t.
People are acting like that save from Henderson was a gordon banks style moment... it's ridiculous. It was a decent save, but Henderson himself and any goalkeeper will tell you he should have push it away from goal (ideally out around the post) not direcrly back at the attackers feet.
Also, it was against Luton. In the league or CL the header gets buried 9 times out of 10, and the one time it doesn't thw follow up shot is smashed into the roof of the net.
It was a decent save against a lower league player. The reaction on here was hysterical, claims that it shows he has what it takes to be Unted number one and to drop De Gea immediately.
Just call it what it is.
Showing a De Gea error in response is idiotic. And to start arguing which is worse (when everyone knows the answer) is just deperate whataboutism.
People arguing with De Gea fanboys 
They are feeling the pressure, their beloved Dave is in trouble
They are feeling the pressure, their beloved Dave is in trouble
The De Gea clip was in response to someone implying that De Gea would have palmed that header round the post. Maybe. Maybe not. He’s certainly spooned much easier saves onto an attacker’s foot. As per that clip.
And I’ll tell you what’s idiotic. Trying to pretend an attempt on goal is easier or more difficult to save depending on the league the player who struck it plays in. Now that’s really idiotic.
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There isn’t any room for nuance here clearly. Despite me praising him for a good game you’re not allowed to point out any flaws.
The bias and wishful thinking is a bit worrying.
Should have just caught it with a single hand instead. Should have thrown it with pinpoint accuracy and at the speed of light towards the opponent goal which gets a goal for us. Profit.
But the situation is different. If de Gea improves due to competition with Dean - perfect, the team improves. If Dean wins competition and claims the starting spot - also perfect, as the team would also improve. It’s highly unlikely that both would be playing poorly
Jeez - I am a DDG fan myself and don't think Hendo is ready to take over yet. But come on , give credit where its due. That was a brilliant save.
As good as DDG save against Sunderland or Southampton. He is stretching to the limit and he can't control his body or arm anymore. Well, if you were an inch taller, may be but that's also an assumption.
As I said, show me some videos of any GKs saving these kind of shots and tipping it out. I would happily correct myself.
As good as DDG save against Sunderland or Southampton. He is stretching to the limit and he can't control his body or arm anymore. Well, if you were an inch taller, may be but that's also an assumption.
As I said, show me some videos of any GKs saving these kind of shots and tipping it out. I would happily correct myself.
I wonder if you'd be doing it if it wasn't Henderson.
I am not worried about our gk situation. Like it or not, Dean will be our number 1 in due time. Ole has repeatedly mentioned that and if he continue putting in solid shifts like this, it will come soon. Its a good start. Give him a chance guys.
Even if he proves unworthy of the number 1 in the future, we have Matej Kovar who’s already out on loan thats potentially even better than Dean was the same age.
Even if he proves unworthy of the number 1 in the future, we have Matej Kovar who’s already out on loan thats potentially even better than Dean was the same age.
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I love Henderson I think he’s an amazing young keeper and I think he had a very solid first game for United.
Ive said many times before I hope he one day does take over so if you’re implying I have some sort of issue with him you’re wrong.
I do feel there is a distinct double standard between De Gea discussions and Henderson where De Gea is rightly scrutinised even for positive actions and Henderson is given a free pass and so I’m curious as to why people defend one over the other?
I call it how I see it.
it is not about Dean playing well, it is about David losing his place. If you are a fanboy, you want your player to play. David > United. So Dean playing well is bad news for some
There's nothing to scrutinise Henderson for here though - It was a good save. He couldn't have done much better than he did in that position. If De Gea made the save, no one would be talking about how he should have tipped it round the post or pushed it wide because it is frankly ridiculous. You are one of about two people who are doing it, and I'm convinced if it was De Gea, you'd be doing the opposite.
Maybe you are just trying hard to confirm that Henderson does indeed palm the ball back to the attacker's feet at times, but you are using the wrong example here. It smacks of desperation.
He was very close to his line, the ball wasn't moving too fast, and he was stretching for it. Turning it round the post or pushing it wide were no options. The only place he'd tip that to was into the net.
Maybe you should give him credit for saving at the near post or just let it be. Look at the goals the world class De Gea has conceded in the past few games, most of them, the near post. If you scrutinized him for conceding those, then fair play, but there's every chance the ball would have gone past him in that situation.
I don't want to make it about De Gea vs Henderson though so better to just stop here.
It is funny to read people getting riled up when someone dares to say that one save against Luton doesn't mean anything (and wasn't actually that special).
The hysterics over Henderson are out of proportion. People are projecting their hopes on him with little to no evidence that he's going to cope as United's number one.
The quality of finishing will clearly vary from Luton's level to the level he will face in big games for United - in a big PL or CL game the player with the header and rebound is statistically more likely to bury that type of chance.
You seem to be bringing unrelated frustrations into this discussion. I haven’t said anywhere he should be our number one. I’ve just said it’s stupid to criticise him for what was objectively a very good save. Even more so when someone claims De Gea would have made a better effort. When we know De Gea has previous for spilling a much more straightforward save at the foot of a striker.
Henderson might be good enough to take DDG’s place. He might not. I haven’t watched him enough to have an opinion. He did well on his debut though. And nit-picking about that save just seems silly. It smacks of people who’ve been arguing about the goalie situation for ages bringing that agenda to the discussion about last night’s game.
So basically based on one save.
If you want DDG to be NO 1, you are saying it’s standard.
If you are a Henderson supporter, it’s brilliant and evidence he should be no 1.
Let’s all get a grip. It’s one game, there’s really nothing much we can determine from it. First step was for him to make his debut, and he can build from there. We also saw from DDG that he’s being more proactive and coming off of his line - which looks like something he’s been instructed to do.
Both have had good games - but only one game, we really can’t determine much at this time.
If you want DDG to be NO 1, you are saying it’s standard.
If you are a Henderson supporter, it’s brilliant and evidence he should be no 1.
Let’s all get a grip. It’s one game, there’s really nothing much we can determine from it. First step was for him to make his debut, and he can build from there. We also saw from DDG that he’s being more proactive and coming off of his line - which looks like something he’s been instructed to do.
Both have had good games - but only one game, we really can’t determine much at this time.
I think everyone just needs something positive right now and his performance was good. Enjoy it! He’ll be getting absolutely slaughtered by the same posters when he makes a few mistakes. I want to see how his distribution is over the season. He seems to be a good organiser and his shot stopping is obviously his best quality. I’m warming to him
I laugh so hard watching this thread.. Basic rules of Goal Keeping is to catch the ball not to tip it wide. Every GK has to be in a position where he can catch the ball.
Do you think a GK can push the ball wide on purpose? if he can, then he is a terrible GK because why not try to catch it first.
A GK shouldn't worry about a rebound, because it's all about defenders. You defend as a unit, this is football not tennis.
Do you think a GK can push the ball wide on purpose? if he can, then he is a terrible GK because why not try to catch it first.
A GK shouldn't worry about a rebound, because it's all about defenders. You defend as a unit, this is football not tennis.
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He couldn’t have caught that shot.
And he couldn't tip or push it wide either. That's the flaw of your 'basic rules of goalkeeping'.
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