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You'd be hard pressed to find an upgrade to DavidDG.
How is this still a thing in 2022?
I'd rather a GK be able to perform his core competencies consistently.
Which core competencies would they be then? Communicating with his defence? Commanding in claiming crosses? Physically dominating opposing forwards and being quick and aggressive off his line in a Schmeichel-like fashion? How you can possibly think that being good in possession is not a core competency is beyond me.
 
You'd be hard pressed to find an upgrade to DavidDG. All those supposedly superb goalkeepers who are vocal, can control their box and play with their feet and play like the last man, aren't exactly helping their teams to clean sheets either. The goals they concede will probably be at most challenging saves for DavidDG. Ask those goalkeepers to play with our old backline in front of them and maybe you'll appreciate DavidDG more. Just like I don't need a central defender to be capable of hollywood passes, I'd rather a GK be able to perform his core competencies consistently.

The day DavidDG begins his decline is the day we should be concerned. We were supposed to have a ready backing in DeanH but somehow things didn't work out, for unknown reasons. Fingers crossed DavidDG could perform until past 35/6/7/8/9 like EdwinVDS was capable of.

Seems like you are missing the point. Its not about DDGs saves or clean sheets. Its about getting a keeper who fits the style that Ten Hag wants to implement. DDG doesn't fit that style, not becoz of saves or clean sheets but becoz he cant play out from the back, and becoz he doesn't come out of his box to sweep and becoz he doesn't claim crosses. If DDG had all those, nobody would be looking to move him on...so to put it simply, DDG doesn't fit the style we want manutd to play going forward. Rather than telling us how great he was in a bygone era....tell us how he will be great in the current and future eras based on the style of play required
 
You'd be hard pressed to find an upgrade to DavidDG. All those supposedly superb goalkeepers who are vocal, can control their box and play with their feet and play like the last man, aren't exactly helping their teams to clean sheets either. The goals they concede will probably be at most challenging saves for DavidDG. Ask those goalkeepers to play with our old backline in front of them and maybe you'll appreciate DavidDG more. Just like I don't need a central defender to be capable of hollywood passes, I'd rather a GK be able to perform his core competencies consistently.

The day DavidDG begins his decline is the day we should be concerned. We were supposed to have a ready backing in DeanH but somehow things didn't work out, for unknown reasons. Fingers crossed DavidDG could perform until past 35/6/7/8/9 like EdwinVDS was capable of.

They are helping the team to achieve the way how the manager wants to play though. Our manager is ten Hag not Mourinho.
 
You'd be hard pressed to find an upgrade to DavidDG. All those supposedly superb goalkeepers who are vocal, can control their box and play with their feet and play like the last man, aren't exactly helping their teams to clean sheets either. The goals they concede will probably be at most challenging saves for DavidDG. Ask those goalkeepers to play with our old backline in front of them and maybe you'll appreciate DavidDG more. Just like I don't need a central defender to be capable of hollywood passes, I'd rather a GK be able to perform his core competencies consistently.

The day DavidDG begins his decline is the day we should be concerned. We were supposed to have a ready backing in DeanH but somehow things didn't work out, for unknown reasons. Fingers crossed DavidDG could perform until past 35/6/7/8/9 like EdwinVDS was capable of.
So going by your logic you think AWB is a better fit than Dalot because he`s a defend first full back which doesn`t fit your criteria for modern day players? Times change and dynamics evolve using what worked in a by gone era wont help you now when everyone is doing things differently and better than you
I won`t go deep doing comparisons of De Gea with modern day GKs because they actually help their team`s backline FAR MORE than you`re suggesting if you watch deeply(and we need someone who fits Ten Hag`s style not the other way round) but I`ll say these:
1. There`s a reason De Gea has been completely dropped from the Spanish NT behind GKs like Sanchez and Raya playing for mid table clubs
2. I assume you watched Utd under Van Der Sar and now De Gea. While the latter was world class in his prime simply compare which GK you felt helped the team way more and who you enjoyed more. Van Der Sar`s all round commanding style or DDG`s pure shot stopping
If you preferred the latter fair enough but I personally felt Van Der Sar was a revolutionary figure in our back line almost akin to Neuer and that profile is the standard
 
Its amazing how certain fans believe that ETH can coach the likes of Rashford and even Shaw back to greatness and yet they had already conceded defeat regarding DDG. Which is strange really. DDG is one of the few players left in this squad who knows how to be an EPL winner. He's beaten every competitor he ever had and has 4 Sir Matt Busby player of the year to prove it. The guy is an elite shot stopper and has started to show improvement in other areas in his game as well. I think he'll do what he always did and silence all critics about him
 
You'd be hard pressed to find an upgrade to DavidDG. All those supposedly superb goalkeepers who are vocal, can control their box and play with their feet and play like the last man, aren't exactly helping their teams to clean sheets either. The goals they concede will probably be at most challenging saves for DavidDG. Ask those goalkeepers to play with our old backline in front of them and maybe you'll appreciate DavidDG more. Just like I don't need a central defender to be capable of hollywood passes, I'd rather a GK be able to perform his core competencies consistently.

The day DavidDG begins his decline is the day we should be concerned. We were supposed to have a ready backing in DeanH but somehow things didn't work out, for unknown reasons. Fingers crossed DavidDG could perform until past 35/6/7/8/9 like EdwinVDS was capable of.
The last 5 golden glove awards have been won by either Ederson or Allison who fit that description so what on earth are you talking about?
 
Its amazing how certain fans believe that ETH can coach the likes of Rashford and even Shaw back to greatness and yet they had already conceded defeat regarding DDG. Which is strange really. DDG is one of the few players left in this squad who knows how to be an EPL winner. He's beaten every competitor he ever had and has 4 Sir Matt Busby player of the year to prove it. The guy is an elite shot stopper and has started to show improvement in other areas in his game as well. I think he'll do what he always did and silence all critics about him
Because De Gea has made countless of unforgiveable mistakes since 2018, completely dropped from The Spanish NT and stylistically not a fit for Ten Hag`s style. Shaw and Rashford attribute wise can fit the style but have a consistency issue. Being a "winner" is irrelevant Ronaldo is the biggest winner in the game but every man and his dog can see he`s a major major major issue on the pitch
Outside of shot stopping De Gea is bottom tier in every aspect of a GK in comparison to other PL GKs. He was lucky that in the past he didn`t have managers with clear philosophies outside LVG and his shot stopping being Demi-God level negated the need to be good in other areas. His shot stopping is no longer as good as in 17/18 and wont be that good again at 32 soon 33. He`s also proved to be incapable of adapting to a more modern style GK
He`s a necessary evil for this season but we desperately need a new GK next year
 
Because De Gea has made countless of unforgiveable mistakes since 2018, completely dropped from The Spanish NT and stylistically not a fit for Ten Hag`s style. Shaw and Rashford attribute wise can fit the style but have a consistency issue
Outside of shot stopping De Gea is bottom tier in every aspect of a GK in comparison to other PL GKs. He was lucky that in the past he didn`t have managers with clear philosophies outside LVG and his shot stopping being Demi-God level negated the need to be good in other areas. His shot stopping is no longer as good as in 17/18 and wont be that good again at 32 soon 33. He`s also proved to be incapable of adapting to a more modern style GK
He`s a necessary evil for this season but we desperately need a new GK next year

Like all our players DDG had suffered from bad management and even worse coaching. Moyes was a mid EPL table manager, LVG was obsolete, Mou couldn't care less of development and Ole was a former reserve striker made manager, Yet the results had been, for most of the time, impressive. Sure United had seen better time but a player doesn't win 4 Sir Matt Busby player of the year out of Lulz. There's no doubt that DDG had flaws in his game. However his strengths are there to be seen as well and so is his attitude. In my opinion he's already improving his game. We've seen him going off his line this season. He'll improve.

Let's get rid of those whose been a proven failure first shall we?
 
A goal scoring centre forward a far bigger priority than replacing degea.It's clear to me Ronaldo doesn't suit the ETH style and is well passed his best. Martial is injured more than he is fit and Rashford is very erratic in form and will also get injured at some point.
we need at Haaland style goal scorer !

Henderson is on loan he can come back next year and replace Degea. Hes good enough. Keeper is not a main priority this season Imo.
 
Like all our players DDG had suffered from bad management and even worse coaching. Moyes was a mid EPL table manager, LVG was obsolete, Mou couldn't care less of development and Ole was a former reserve striker made manager, Yet the results had been, for most of the time, impressive. Sure United had seen better time but a player doesn't win 4 Sir Matt Busby player of the year out of Lulz. There's no doubt that DDG had flaws in his game. However his strengths are there to be seen as well and so is his attitude. In my opinion he's already improving his game. We've seen him going off his line this season. He'll improve.

Let's get rid of those whose been a proven failure first shall we?
Bad management how when he`s started in 90% of the games of all those managers? Under LVG specifically Frans Hoek one of the best GK coaches of all time in his book mentioned De Gea`s incapability and REFUSAL to adapt to a more all round style and that was when he was 24-26yrs old so no it`s also not bad coaching either because he intentionally chose not to improve his all round game. Asking him to play like a modern day GK now is demanding he completely abandons and changes what has served him in over a decade at 32yrs old much easier said than done and no he hasn`t been any different this season so far compared to previous 4yrs shot stopping and nothing else
He had his time under the sun and he was a genuinely good GK(awards of course speak for themselves) but his deal is expiring next year and regardless of what you think about him his current ability DOES NOT warrant being the highest paid GK ITW club needs to transition him out and usher in a fresher face in the posts
 
A goal scoring centre forward a far bigger priority than replacing degea.It's clear to me Ronaldo doesn't suit the ETH style and is well passed his best. Martial is injured more than he is fit and Rashford is very erratic in form and will also get injured at some point.
we need at Haaland style goal scorer !

Henderson is on loan he can come back next year and replace Degea. Hes good enough. Keeper is not a main priority this season Imo.
A CF and GK are equal priorities not one or the other. Ten Hag`s style of football needs an all round GK to be successful just like Pep`s or Klopp`s
Henderson is an English Simon Mignolet he`s suited to mid table clubs not top 6 clubs. We should use any good period of form at Forest to do what we should have done in 2020 when Chelsea offered 50m to sell for a good fee and get a GK that`s actually CL level not another stop gap/potential deadwood
 
Bad management how when he`s started in 90% of the games of all those managers? Under LVG specifically Frans Hoek one of the best GK coaches of all time in his book mentioned De Gea`s incapability and REFUSAL to adapt to a more all round style and that was when he was 24-26yrs old so no it`s also not bad coaching either because he intentionally chose not to improve his all round game. Asking him to play like a modern day GK now is demanding he completely abandons and changes what has served him in over a decade at 32yrs old much easier said than done and no he hasn`t been any different this season so far compared to previous 4yrs shot stopping and nothing else
He had his time under the sun and he was a genuinely good GK(awards of course speak for themselves) but his deal is expiring next year and regardless of what you think about him his current ability DOES NOT warrant being the highest paid GK ITW club needs to transition him out and usher in a fresher face in the posts

One can play week in week out and still be badly coached. I don't care what LVG's men said since they all struggled to understand how the EPL worked (and their football showed week in week out). What I do know is that every manager we had (including LVG) ended up using DDG as a first teamer, he's got the awards to show his worth and is already improving under ETH.
 
One can play week in week out and still be badly coached. I don't care what LVG's men said since they all struggled to understand how the EPL worked (and their football showed week in week out). What I do know is that every manager we had (including LVG) ended up using DDG as a first teamer, he's got the awards to show his worth and is already improving under ETH.
LVG was handicapped in the market as much as Moyes and Jose though if he got players he wanted instead of players forced on him he`d have fared better here. He also broke our Post Fergie Era trophy drought doubt some of his aspects as you want but he had a plan which could have worked in a better run club
You`re talking too much about the past and making the mistake of clinging onto it too much when the present is painting a grim but very REAL picture. Nobody denies De Gea was probably the best GK ITW in his early to mid twenties just like Ronaldo in the past and Rooney in the past but that`s what it is THE PAST. I didn`t see as much dismay when the latter got phased out in the latter stage of his career or many people denying Ronaldo is a problem on the pitch. Same logic applies with De Gea since 2018 and no he hasn`t "improved" this season just the usual patches of decent shot stopping coupled by horror shows like Brighton and Brentford
 
A goal scoring centre forward a far bigger priority than replacing degea.It's clear to me Ronaldo doesn't suit the ETH style and is well passed his best. Martial is injured more than he is fit and Rashford is very erratic in form and will also get injured at some point.
we need at Haaland style goal scorer !

Henderson is on loan he can come back next year and replace Degea. Hes good enough. Keeper is not a main priority this season Imo.

I make you right about Henderson.
 
LVG was handicapped in the market as much as Moyes and Jose though if he got players he wanted instead of players forced on him he`d have fared better here. He also broke our Post Fergie Era trophy drought doubt some of his aspects as you want but he had a plan which could have worked in a better run club
You`re talking too much about the past and making the mistake of clinging onto it too much when the present is painting a grim but very REAL picture. Nobody denies De Gea was probably the best GK ITW in his early to mid twenties just like Ronaldo in the past and Rooney in the past but that`s what it is THE PAST. I didn`t see as much dismay when the latter got phased out in the latter stage of his career or many people denying Ronaldo is a problem on the pitch. Same logic applies with De Gea since 2018 and no he hasn`t "improved" this season just the usual patches of decent shot stopping coupled by horror shows like Brighton and Brentford

Ronaldo is 37, DDG is 31, Ronaldo wants out, DDG had stuck to us through thick and thin even when he was our biggest star, Ronaldo always blames others while DDG has taken his own responsibility during the Brentford game, DDG won the Sir Matt Busby player of the year LAST JUNE. So there's a bit of a difference right? David De Gea has been our first teamer GK since he joined the club and despite LVG and Ole having their own favourites in terms of competition. I am not saying that DDG is perfect far from it. All I am saying is that last year player of the year deserve this season to prove himself. Surely we've got other positions that deserves more urgent attention (ex STK)
 
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I’ve seen De Gea starting to come off his line due to Ten Hag’s coach but Voila - he is not saving the shots anymore and letting in goals that he would normally save on the line.
 
Ronaldo is 37, DDG is 31, Ronaldo wants out, DDG had stuck to us through thick and thin even when he was our biggest star, Ronaldo always blames others while DDG has taken his own responsibility during the Brentford game, DDG won the Sir Matt Busby player of the year LAST JUNE. So there's a bit of a difference right? David De Gea has been our first teamer GK since he joined the club and despite LVG and Ole having their own favourites in terms of competition. I am not saying that DDG is perfect far from it. All I am saying is that last year player of the year deserve this season to prove himself. Surely we've got other positions that deserves more urgent attention (ex STK)
Let`s be blatantly honest De Gea is here because of a faulty fax machine and Woodward`s panic tactics of offering him stupid wages he`d never get elsewhere not necessarily because he "loves" the club even though I do think he`s more settled at Utd now than 7yrs ago.
Winning POTY in a season you conceded 57 PL goals is not something worth glorifying I`m sorry fact that we didn`t even hold a ceremony shows how little weight any individual award from last season held. He was good IN THE PAST not the present. He`ll have this season to prove himself of course because we have bigger priorities elsewhere. If by some gigantic miracle he complements his shot stopping with fresher modern day GK attributes fine he should stay because he`s fallen in line with the style not because of his name and what he achieved in his hey days. If he doesn`t(the likelier option based on the last 4yrs) then a GK AND ST become priorities not one or the other we can afford both anyway
 
Let`s be blatantly honest De Gea is here because of a faulty fax machine and Woodward`s panic tactics of offering him stupid wages he`d never get elsewhere not necessarily because he "loves" the club even though I do think he`s more settled at Utd now than 7yrs ago.
Winning POTY in a season you conceded 57 PL goals is not something worth glorifying I`m sorry fact that we didn`t even hold a ceremony shows how little weight any individual award from last season held. He was good IN THE PAST not the present. He`ll have this season to prove himself of course because we have bigger priorities elsewhere. If by some gigantic miracle he complements his shot stopping with fresher modern day GK attributes fine he should stay because he`s fallen in line with the style not because of his name and what he achieved in his hey days. If he doesn`t(the likelier option based on the last 4yrs) then a GK AND ST become priorities not one or the other we can afford both anyway

Winning POTY as a GK despite leaking 57 PL goals is quite remarkable TBH. It shows how good the keeper was and the shit he had in front of him. Which is no surprising really. Even now despite the change in personnel and despite the team is doing well we seem to lose games whenever certain players return back to the first team. Its as if some players are specialised in failure.

I repeat DDG has his flaws. However strengthening certain positions (STK, DLP, RB) should be given first priority while getting rid of the specialists in failure is in my opinion second priority.
 
Winning POTY as a GK despite leaking 57 PL goals is quite remarkable TBH. It shows how good the keeper was and the shit he had in front of him. Which is no surprising really. Even now despite the change in personnel and despite the team is doing well we seem to lose games whenever certain players return back to the first team. Its as if some players are specialised in failure.

I repeat DDG has his flaws. However strengthening certain positions (STK, DLP, RB) should be given first priority while getting rid of the specialists in failure is in my opinion second priority.
"Specialist in failure" as if De Gea`s mistakes didn`t cost us top 4 in 18/19, an FA Cup Final place in 19/20, a knock out place in the 20/21 CL or the EL Final in 2021? Let`s not get into last season where he wasn`t even amongst the best GKs in the league statistically. He`s been as directly responsible for our failures as the shit in front of him(which also needs replacing) and at his age on his wages he`s become a big liability if he isn`t heading that direction. He`s not the present or the future
And IMO a RB isn`t a priority if Dalot keeps performing. He`s 23 after all big room for growth could always get a cheap option for competition if Laird is still rough round the edges. A ST, GK and CM are all affordable without having to make negations
 
"Specialist in failure" as if De Gea`s mistakes didn`t cost us top 4 in 18/19, an FA Cup Final place in 19/20, a knock out place in the 20/21 CL or the EL Final in 2021? Let`s not get into last season where he wasn`t even amongst the best GKs in the league statistically. He`s been as directly responsible for our failures as the shit in front of him(which also needs replacing) and at his age on his wages he`s become a big liability if he isn`t heading that direction. He`s not the present or the future
And IMO a RB isn`t a priority if Dalot keeps performing. He`s 23 after all big room for growth could always get a cheap option for competition if Laird is still rough round the edges. A ST, GK and CM are all affordable without having to make negations

EPL title winner, a regular first teamer since coming here, 4 times Sir Matt Busby player of the year (including last season), he pushed so many favourites out of the club most of whom went crying and screaming....I agree that DDG has flaws in his game but I wouldn't call him a specialist in failure.
 
Winning POTY as a GK despite leaking 57 PL goals is quite remarkable TBH. It shows how good the keeper was and the shit he had in front of him. Which is no surprising really. Even now despite the change in personnel and despite the team is doing well we seem to lose games whenever certain players return back to the first team. Its as if some players are specialised in failure.

I repeat DDG has his flaws. However strengthening certain positions (STK, DLP, RB) should be given first priority while getting rid of the specialists in failure is in my opinion second priority.
Quite baffling that people can watch us play and come to this conclusion. We've just spent about 80m on Malacia and Lisandro who are fantastic ball players and have Varane and Dalot who can also play from the back yet we punt the ball long from 90% of goalkicks just because of de Gea's inability to play football. His weaknesses are crippling and a massive reason we can't control games with the ball. We never will be able to until he's been replaced and thankfully Ten Hag seems aware of this given the pursuits of keepers like Sommer and Trapp who have some ability to pass the ball.
 
EPL title winner, a regular first teamer since coming here, 4 times Sir Matt Busby player of the year (including last season), he pushed so many favourites out of the club most of whom went crying and screaming....I agree that DDG has flaws in his game but I wouldn't call him a specialist in failure.
He was more of a detriment than a positive contributor in that season :lol:. We conceded 43 goals that season and he was dropped for fecking Lindegaard. Using it as some proof of his quality is laughable.
 
EPL title winner, a regular first teamer since coming here, 4 times Sir Matt Busby player of the year (including last season), he pushed so many favourites out of the club most of whom went crying and screaming....I agree that DDG has flaws in his game but I wouldn't call him a specialist in failure.
I`m not calling him a specialist in failure either just pointing out that he`s not free from justifiable criticism and he`s as culpable as the rest in our failures recently despite his past(emphasis on PAST not current or future) achievements and we`re moving towards a style that makes him an Achilles Heel in our team that urgently needs replacing
 
Priority of a new goalkeeper is just highlighted with ETH's style of play, but the issue with him is that he wouldn't fit in any manager plans who want to build something sustainable here because, bar shot stopping, all attributes that make a goalkeeper good at this job are below average compared to PL standard.

You can't stick with someone because of one outstanding attribute. Maguire might be very good at heading but average and below average at everything else, same goes with AWB and tackling - limited players can't get you far and they will always be targeted by opponents due to their obvious limitations and no manager can do wonders without players having a base to work with.

I don't care how long he is at the club and that he should be given another chance to prove himself is absolute nonsense. We should be more ruthless with moving on players. He would be here until his contract ends thankfully to ridiculous wages nobody in the right state of mind would offer him.
 
I`m not calling him a specialist in failure either just pointing out that he`s not free from justifiable criticism and he`s as culpable as the rest in our failures recently despite his past(emphasis on PAST not current or future) achievements and we`re moving towards a style that makes him an Achilles Heel in our team that urgently needs replacing

Of course not. In fact I said again and again that he's got flaws. However considering the state of the squad (ie no STK, 1 RB and he's not that great, 1 LB and our only DLP has a pace maker) then you have to forgive me if I think that replacing last year's POTY is not our main priority especially since he seem to show some signs of improvement.
 
He was more of a detriment than a positive contributor in that season :lol:. We conceded 43 goals that season and he was dropped for fecking Lindegaard. Using it as some proof of his quality is laughable.

He was in the PFA team of the year during that season and went on winning the POTY award two years in a row afterwards.
 
Of course not. In fact I said again and again that he's got flaws. However considering the state of the squad (ie no STK, 1 RB and he's not that great, 1 LB and our only DLP has a pace maker) then you have to forgive me if I think that replacing last year's POTY is not our main priority especially since he seem to show some signs of improvement.
What signs of improvement were there against Brighton, Brentford or Sociedad? Even in games we won he didn`t do anything different to what we`re used to seeing
Also we don`t need an expensive RB. Shaw needs to go next year but we don`t need an expensive LB either if Malacia can keep growing this season or if Alvaro Fernandez has a good loan spell.
CM and ST I agree but ALONGSIDE a GK not in place of and I`ll say again we can afford all 3 anyway without major sales
 
Seems like you are missing the point. Its not about DDGs saves or clean sheets. Its about getting a keeper who fits the style that Ten Hag wants to implement. DDG doesn't fit that style, not becoz of saves or clean sheets but becoz he cant play out from the back, and becoz he doesn't come out of his box to sweep and becoz he doesn't claim crosses. If DDG had all those, nobody would be looking to move him on...so to put it simply, DDG doesn't fit the style we want manutd to play going forward. Rather than telling us how great he was in a bygone era....tell us how he will be great in the current and future eras based on the style of play required

Playing out from the back is nowhere entirely dependent on the GK. In fact, it's such a small percentage that depends on the GK. It's the defenders and the midfielders that are in sixes and sevens when pressed. And how you continue to want to pin it solely on DavidDG is beyond me. Sort out the outfield players and even DavidDG can be part of the "play it out from the back" team. Maybe with some effort but not impossible. All those GKs who people like to claim as being so good at playing out from the back, play our defenders and you can enjoy the goals conceded.
And if a GK is not judged by how many saves he makes, are we going to judge strikers by how well they press, and I guess even HarryM is a top ball-playing defender since he can hollywood pass?
 
What signs of improvement were there against Brighton, Brentford or Sociedad? Even in games we won he didn`t do anything different to what we`re used to seeing
Also we don`t need an expensive RB. Shaw needs to go next year but we don`t need an expensive LB either if Malacia can keep growing this season or if Alvaro Fernandez has a good loan spell.
CM and ST I agree but ALONGSIDE a GK not in place of and I`ll say again we can afford all 3 anyway without major sales

Weren't all those games the same ones Maguire played?

Apart from the Brentford game (were he was diabolical) he was reasonably good in my opinion. Its early days but I am willing to give last year's POTY the benefit of the doubt. In my opinion Dalot has a lot more to prove TBH. He's yet to be a first teamer at a top club.
 
Playing out from the back is nowhere entirely dependent on the GK. In fact, it's such a small percentage that depends on the GK. It's the defenders and the midfielders that are in sixes and sevens when pressed. And how you continue to want to pin it solely on DavidDG is beyond me. Sort out the outfield players and even DavidDG can be part of the "play it out from the back" team. Maybe with some effort but not impossible. All those GKs who people like to claim as being so good at playing out from the back, play our defenders and you can enjoy the goals conceded.
And if a GK is not judged by how many saves he makes, are we going to judge strikers by how well they press, and I guess even HarryM is a top ball-playing defender since he can hollywood pass?
Do you have statistical data to back this up or just assumption? Because I watch a lot of TIFO analytical videos amongst others and read articles and I can tell you for a fact statistically you couldn`t be any more wrong about this statement. Even Newcastle of all teams have improved massively at playing out from the back when they signed Nick Pope, Brighton also improved when they signed Sanchez to replace Matt Ryan and Brentford also improved here when they signed David Raya so this negates your point about needing top class outfield players to play out from the back when you have a static GK in the posts if Mid Table clubs can pull it off. Going beyond De Gea Courtois was a very similar GK to De Gea at Chelsea and in his early Madrid days but massively improved on the ball and at sweeping under Ancelotti you can see how well he`s doing now and how it`s improved a once imbalanced Madrid defence
I mentioned to you in a previous post to compare how we played under VDS and now DDG then tell me which team looked far more structured playing out from the back and ask yourself if we would still dominate domestically and in Europe in a similar fashion if DDG was in the sticks instead of VDS between 06-09. Whether you like if or not modern football is heading in a direction where players need to be all rounded across all metrics instead of being good at just one thing.
 
Playing out from the back is nowhere entirely dependent on the GK. In fact, it's such a small percentage that depends on the GK. It's the defenders and the midfielders that are in sixes and sevens when pressed. And how you continue to want to pin it solely on DavidDG is beyond me. Sort out the outfield players and even DavidDG can be part of the "play it out from the back" team. Maybe with some effort but not impossible. All those GKs who people like to claim as being so good at playing out from the back, play our defenders and you can enjoy the goals conceded.
And if a GK is not judged by how many saves he makes, are we going to judge strikers by how well they press, and I guess even HarryM is a top ball-playing defender since he can hollywood pass?

You still do not get it. You words insinuate that all other keepers mentioned actually dont make saves. They do. They all make saves on per with David De gea. The reason they are better than DDG is becoz they make the same saves and more. They sweep up behind their defence, they pass better and command the box better. By the way, I hope you know that DDG had the worst save percentage at a certain point last season....so not only do they match DDG at what people think is his strength, they beat him in all his weaknesses. You seem to be stuck in a timeline that stopped in 2013 with DDG being a good GK. Since then, he has declined at the things he was good at and the whole GK role has been revolutionised. Its a no brainer, we need to sign a better keeper
 
To people trying to show any objectivity with De Gea watch this. These are just half of the unforgivable mistakes he's made since 2018
 
You'd be hard pressed to find an upgrade to DavidDG. All those supposedly superb goalkeepers who are vocal, can control their box and play with their feet and play like the last man, aren't exactly helping their teams to clean sheets either. The goals they concede will probably be at most challenging saves for DavidDG. Ask those goalkeepers to play with our old backline in front of them and maybe you'll appreciate DavidDG more. Just like I don't need a central defender to be capable of hollywood passes, I'd rather a GK be able to perform his core competencies consistently.

The day DavidDG begins his decline is the day we should be concerned. We were supposed to have a ready backing in DeanH but somehow things didn't work out, for unknown reasons. Fingers crossed DavidDG could perform until past 35/6/7/8/9 like EdwinVDS was capable of.
Cannot comprehend the level of stupidity behind this post.
 
To people trying to show any objectivity with De Gea watch this. These are just half of the unforgivable mistakes he's made since 2018

Some absolute shockers in there, but wouldn't blame him for all of those either. But still, the point stands without me being pedantic about the video.

An upgrade is not only needed, but necessary for us to compete once more at the highest level.
 
To people trying to show any objectivity with De Gea watch this. These are just half of the unforgivable mistakes he's made since 2018

Respectfully disagree, not with the notion we need a neew keeper, been saying that since City got Ederson, but only about 40% of those are true howlers.

What the video doesn’t show is how many chances against could be avoided with a keeper who is comfy with his feet, quick to sweep and brave in our own box. Our David shit the bed when it comes to all aforementioned scenarios.
 
Playing out from the back is nowhere entirely dependent on the GK. In fact, it's such a small percentage that depends on the GK. It's the defenders and the midfielders that are in sixes and sevens when pressed. And how you continue to want to pin it solely on DavidDG is beyond me. Sort out the outfield players and even DavidDG can be part of the "play it out from the back" team. Maybe with some effort but not impossible. All those GKs who people like to claim as being so good at playing out from the back, play our defenders and you can enjoy the goals conceded.
And if a GK is not judged by how many saves he makes, are we going to judge strikers by how well they press, and I guess even HarryM is a top ball-playing defender since he can hollywood pass?


Actually its about 90% dependent on the GK, against sides that will actively high press/high block you anyway, the GK is the extra man in posession in top sides these days the play as playmakers, picking passes through or over the lines to the free players.

There is now way you can consistently play your way out of a well organised high press without having a GK that is at the very least confident, comfortable and capable of taking the ball under pressure and passing it.

Why do you think we have sacked the notion of playing out from the back off for favour of punting it and hopeing to win second balls further up the pitch, essentially giving up control of the game to avoid the risk of putting de gea under pressure he can't deal with.
 
He was in the PFA team of the year during that season and went on winning the POTY award two years in a row afterwards.
What he did afterwards isn't particularly relevant since we're talking about his ability to play in a title winning team. I'm not really fussed about awards like PFA TOTS, a keeper making it after being dropped for over a quarter of the season just says it all
 
Quite baffling that people can watch us play and come to this conclusion. We've just spent about 80m on Malacia and Lisandro who are fantastic ball players and have Varane and Dalot who can also play from the back yet we punt the ball long from 90% of goalkicks just because of de Gea's inability to play football. His weaknesses are crippling and a massive reason we can't control games with the ball. We never will be able to until he's been replaced and thankfully Ten Hag seems aware of this given the pursuits of keepers like Sommer and Trapp who have some ability to pass the ball.
All of that and he's also the best paid goalkeeper in the world by a margin. Two of our most average performers are our two highest earners on silly money.