I agree, we don't need a once in a life time talent, but rather we need someone who is a stylistic fit for the principles ten Hag is attempting to implement. So aswell being good on the ball, it's also important to have a keeper who is brave and commanding when it comes to dominating his area.
De Gea Replacement - Do not use for player performance chat
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A United that can actually win something instead of the dicking around we have been doing for the last decade.
And Pickford is part of that team?
That giant Dutch keeper any good?
It's not a myth. I remember clearly that in his early years with United, De Gea was quite confident with the ball at his feet, long before it was trendy. It went downhill after Van Gaal was replaced by Mourinho. Yes, his shot-stopping skill has become world-class ever since, but he never asked to make a medium-range pass again.
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Just found this https://strettynews.com/2022/07/20/...en-hag-malacia-de-geas-distribution-and-more/. Frans Hoek himself think that De Gea was capable to be a part of build up play.
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So why did De Gea's on the ball abilities literally made ten Hag change formation after our first 2 PL games? He's the biggest reason ETH gave up on the 4-3-3 and switched back to Ole's 4-2-3-1 so that he can see this season out and avoid getting sacked.
Since then, DDG has admittedly improved in this regard, but he's still nowhere near the level required. I'd be shocked if he wasn't let go at the end of the season and we weren't looking to bring in a Diogo Costa or someone like that next summer.
You answered it yourself. The ability is always there, but after experiencing several goalkeeping coaches, two negative-minded managers, and unreliable back four, he needs time to adjust. Whether Ten Haag has the patience or De Gea could improve drastically, it remains to be seen.
I think Ten Haag will assess De Gea's situation at the end of this season. I will not be surprised if Ten Haag decides to activate the one-year extension in De Gea's contract if he manages to perform at an acceptable level. A great goalkeeper is not easy to find. I will be wary of bringing a flavor of the day like Diogo Costa. He just made the stupidest mistake for someone considered a top goalkeeper. Robert Sanchez is a safer bet. I'm also interested in Vanja Milinkovic-Savic, but not as a guaranteed #1 goalkeeper.
I would be very happy to see De Gea evolve into this technical goalkeeper that has great distribution, because I'd love to see him stay as our number 1 and win titles for United again...but I just don't see it. I'd be very happy to be proven wrong, but I don't see De Gea staying beyond 2023.
Diogo Costa is the clear player for this IMO.
Not seen enough of him but don’t think Simon is the answer at all. Is Henderson not an option ? Seems to be doing well at Forest and deserves a chance to challenge DDG next season. Cnut or not.
Definitely not.
Absolutely not. An utter calamity.
Why not ?
Our next biggest priority is an out and out CF. Have you seen our GD for last season, and this season so far.
Second priority after a striker, yes.
Folk are kidding themselves if they’re being blinded by this recent spate of good form. Ten Hag shouldn’t be so foolish.
Folk are kidding themselves if they’re being blinded by this recent spate of good form. Ten Hag shouldn’t be so foolish.
CF>CM>GK
He simply isn't good enough in my opinion.
If the goalkeeper cant retain possession but has to play long kick, how can you expect us to progress to dominate the possession especially these days teams are doing high press to press the defenders and keeper?
Sensible signing but I do think that United may live to regret not signing Diogo Costa before he moves to a super club. That profile of player doesn't come along often and while Sommer is very good with his feet and is a decent keeper, he's a stop gap measure due to his age.
Without a bottomless money pit Sommer makes sense. Costa would be ideal but there are so many other positions of need that Sommer for a few years then the next Costa makes sense.
German Journo who covers Bayern and may have links to ten Hag from his time at Bayern?
Says they won't use the year extension, says they are open to replacing him, says De Gea wants to stay, notes his wages.
I wonder to what extent we've already decided to move De Gea on versus being open to keeping him if he agrees to significantly lower terms on a new contract?
In some ways the extension is the worst option as triggering an extra one year on his current £18-20m contract would cost about as much as two years in the £8-11m bracket players like Antony, Maguire, Eriksen and Rashford currently reportedly occupy.
I don't mind continuing with De Gea, but we should not activate the clause. He should be in 150k maximum, so if he wants to sign in that contract for 2 years or so, it would be an ok business.
I don't think they (the club) will take up the option of a extra year due to the wages DdG is on. But they might negotiate a lower salary once his contract expires at the end of the season and also bring in a new keeper with a view to being the #1. Henderson I think will be sold and Dubravka will be sent back to Newcastle.
I think that makes sense to me and would allow a more seemless transition for a potential new keeper rather than throwing him straight into the deep end.
He's earning 375K right now and even if we'll lower his wages - How low do you think it'll be ? 250 ? 200 ? Its still pretty high numbers in wages
He also said that Frenkie is a done deal.
I like the idea of DDG sticking around at a better price. Don't think that will happen but it would be nice because not only does he bleed the club colors but he's worked his ass off under ten Hag to improve in his sweeper play. I think he can do it, the issue is probably the contract as they don't want to be paying him premium.
Yeah I think they all took a 25% hit for not qualifying for the UCL. So still, even then, just under £300k which is a lot.
DDG situation is a tricky one but I think we hold the aces. Difficult to see any of the top teams coming in for him this time around.
What about the Croatian keeper? Still plays for Dynamo Zegreb so I'm sure he is available for very little and looks to be a decent keeper.
What about the Croatian keeper? Still plays for Dynamo Zegreb so I'm sure he is available for very little and looks to be a decent keeper.
I heard Livakovic is not particularly good at playing with his feet.
Kick the ball away like that, book him. Same as the players surrounding the ref.
Sooner refs start increasing yellows for the babies that are modern footballers, the sooner they stop. Or get sent off, im easy.
Sooner refs start increasing yellows for the babies that are modern footballers, the sooner they stop. Or get sent off, im easy.
Bleed the clubs colours, he was off to Madrid if it wasn't for a dodgy fax machine.
He only started claiming United were his club when his profile took a huge decline and he knew full well he wasn't getting a better club.
signing new GK with a bit of profile would probably cost 50-70m (plus, they'll also get paid). That takes out a bit of chunk for funding other more urgent positions.
If i were EtH, i would also want a bit of stability on players in-& out on my 2nd season. DDG is pretty good Gk. There's no need to gamble on incoming new Gk.
Being said that, I'd welcome a new Gk if we have enough fund.
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A deal between the clubs was done and was also reported by many reputable journos.
Maybe so. Maybe I overlook some of that stuff with him due to the fact he's been around so long I'm attached to him as our keeper. But either way I think he's going to be a cost decision. Where if he is willing to take a certain level of pay EtH may keep him around just with better competition/backup.
I have been one of De Gea's biggest critics for quite some time now. I've always thought that he is quite possibly the best shot stopper in the world, but it's the rest of his game that he struggles with. He has had to make phenomenal saves that other keepers either wouldn't have to make (quick off their line), or saves that would be routine to other keepers (better positioning). But if there's one part of his game that to me seems to be very under rated it's when he has the ball at his feet. I see nothing wrong with his distribution. In my opinion, people are looking for something that isn't there, and when a pass does go astray, they say "see, his passing is horrible" (nobody has 100% pass accuracy). My biggest problems with him has been his reluctance to leave his goal line. This year he seems to be doing better. We have seen him play sweeper keeper a lot more than he has before, so there's definite improvement there. I still have a problem with his positioning at times and he still needs to defend his 6 better when it comes to crosses. But he is improving (didn't think he could). And if that improvement continues, I'd be good with having him stay past his current contract, just as long as he is willing to take a pay cut...
It’s not necessarily ball at his feet that is the problem it’s his complete incapacity to come off his line and claim a cross.
We have conceded shit loads of goals that other teams wouldn’t purely because he is glued to his line.
Facing a shot from 18 yards he may be incredible but it’s that (fairly basic) attribute of being brave and dominating the 8-10 yards around his goal that he is severe lacking.
We have conceded shit loads of goals that other teams wouldn’t purely because he is glued to his line.
Facing a shot from 18 yards he may be incredible but it’s that (fairly basic) attribute of being brave and dominating the 8-10 yards around his goal that he is severe lacking.
Accepting that De Gea would need to be paid a lot less if we kept him, which player(s) in the squad do you think he deserves to have wage parity with?