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This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
 
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Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflections under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at ancitipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflections he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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I love De Gea but fully agree with this.
 
mitchmouse said:
the only problem here is that you've just pulled figures out of the air. No idea what a keeper would cost or what we would have to pay him. Sorry but how can anyone "need" more than £350k a week? I want DDG to stay, I want him to be well paid for his work and I think goalkeepers are as important as outfield players but just how much is he asking for?
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They're not 'pulled from the air'. I think they are realistic considering recent transfers of Allison and Kepa and the wages that top players would expect when signing for a club which pays high wages. Even if you reduce the figure by 30MIL, it's still the same as what we would pay De Gea, with the added risk that the new keeper might not be as good. In case you haven't noticed, there isn't a surplus of cheap world class keepers out there and we aren't an attractive proposition like we were under Fergie.

And I never said he 'needs' the money. No-one needs 10K a week either. It's about avoiding the Arsenal situation where you refuse a massive contract on the basis of an extra 10-30K a week because it's too much, then it starts a downward spiral and you can no longer attract top players or win anything. City can do this, because they have a great set up now, but we don't.
 
Ya he should not be on more than 300k to be honest. Sanchez will probably depart in the summer anyway.
 
Samid said:
Think it's just Mendes being Mendes. Fleece as many clubs as possible.
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I don't know much about Mendes, but I'd always assumed he was one of the decent ones, in favour of his players wishes rather than making as much coin as possible and not as manipulative as the likes of Raiola. Is that not the case?
 
deadrevelz said:
I'll be honest, when I read this latest story I partly agreed with you, but we don't want to become the new Arsenal. I think letting him go now would be more damaging in the long run. What is crucial now is the club gets its collective sh*t together this summer so we can avoid it happening in the future.
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I know where you're coming from, but look at Ozil, signing that big contract then taking it easy, same happened with Rooney and Sanchez.

I do have no doubt De Gea would still perform to a high standard, I just think it would be a message to agents and players that no matter who you are, if you're looking to go somewhere else, or trying to move the goal posts during negotiations (If the papers claims of him wanting 350k and us agreeing to it but still not signing are true) then you can play somewhere else.
 
£350k pr week is absolutely wild. The annoying thing is that when you get up into those kinds of sums, you don't really feel what sort of difference £280k vs £350k pr week feels like, the sums are just too astronomical to have any impact on your personal day to day finances. Unless you run a business or invest in property.

The players however know that the club has money, and they want every single quid they can get. There's no sweetheart deals in football.
 
Tiber said:
Letting him walk away is the start of walking straight off a cliff edge
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Not really, I'd say giving players who are probably going to be past their prime once their deal expires (Rooney & Sanchez as an examples) is the wrong way to go. We improve our right back and centre back options then we lose Dave, I'd say we'd still be better as a team. Dave is a reflex keeper, he's probably as good as he's ever going to be right now. Is he really going to be worth 18 million a year in 4 or 5 years time?
 
SirAF said:
Mendes is just doing his job for his client - de Gea has every right to demand top dollar. Keep in mind that it will probably cost the club 40-50m to replace de Gea with someone of remotely similar ability, if such a keeper is even available.


Objectively speaking he should probably have left the club a long time ago - thankfully he didn’t! Pay the man!
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Good luck with it. Oblak and a pre-injury Neuer are the only keepers of similar ability (Neuer actually higher), with the first costing at least 100m and the second being non-transferable.

Even a painfully average keeper like Kepa cost 70m+ with 200k/week wages.
 
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This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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PSG's first goal, this is what I was thinking. He should come out and claim that. It's his only flaw IMO, not assertive enough in the area.
 
Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.
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Yep, I said the same thing a couple of months ago.

I am a bit worried about how De Gea will age. He does have great positioning so that alleviates it somewhat, but he does rely on his super-human reflexes and saving ability more than most keepers do. If that starts to slow down a bit over the next few years his pure shot-saving ability will come back to the pack, while he's below average in quite a few other aspects that could help make up for that. From memory Casilllas' last great season was when he was around the age De Gea is now, and he slowly slipped away after that.

Hopefully it doesn't happen and De Gea ends up remaining at his peak for another 5+ years. But it is a bit of a worry.
 
Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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Exactly
What Alexis get at the moment is irrelevant to what De gea deserves, because Alexis earned his contract based on his 83 goals and 51 assists in his last 4 seasons with Arsenal. As an attacker he deserves 350k. But there are no goalkeeper on the planet not even Peter in his prime deserves that money he want. Take it or leave it. Otherwise feck off.
 
Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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a good post.
 
Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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Good post. I agree with most of this.
 
Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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Agree with a lot of this.

I also think in Romero we have a keeper who'd as good as any keeper in the league bar De Gea so we don't need to be held completely to ransom.
 
Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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Good post, we do have Romero and also Henderson coming through.
 
Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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Absolutely agree with every word you said here. I too love De Gea but we concede way too many chances from set pieces and he's part of the problem. He deserves to be the best paid here but I, for one won't be too bothered if we lose him.

P. S Maybe we might get a keeper who'll save at least one penalty a season.
 
Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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Turns out that opinion isn't unpopular at all!

I also agree with it. Even 300k/week is crazy money, when you think about it.
 
Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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Lots of wisdoms in this post.

DDG will get his 350k/w plus some loyalty bonuses. All other alternatives is worse. Since we hired OGS we are back to the same approach as we had with Sir Alex, We reward loyalty and longevity. Selling him isn’t on the table,
 
2 man midfield said:
Oblak would cost a lot more than 150k a week imo. It’s well known De Gea is on more than double that, and his agent will want his player to get something in the same ballpark. Certainly not 200k less, anyway.
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Oblak is currently on £90k approx. And wont be getting to £150k anytime soon at AM. He won't get De gea wages because he is not one of Manutd top 3 keepers of all time.

De gea is my favourite player at Manutd but the club needs to put their foot down at some point and not get bullied by player and his agent. Imagine how Poba will take us for a ride when his contract comes up for renewal.
 
deadrevelz said:
Eurgh... this is getting old now. I thought £350K was silly money but where will it end? This is another symptom of the lack of success we've had. No way De Gea would be doing this if we were winning trophies. We have to get back to the top level so we can offer players more than just a high wage or this will keep happening.

375K per week for 5 years = £97.5MIL

If we bought a top keeper it would cost 75MIL
Wages at 200K per week for 5 years = 52MIL
Total = 127MIL.

So it still works out cheaper to give De Gea the contract and with less risk involved in signing a new keeper.

The club is run poorly both financially and on the pitch. We need a DoF, a great structure in place for the summer and a big transfer kitty so we can start challenging next year. Penny pinching ultimately leads to a loss in profits, surely the owners see that by now.
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I think you missed out the £££ we will get by selling him this summer. He should fetch in the £50mn range even though he is in his last year of contract come summer.
 
7even said:
Lots of wisdoms in this post.

DDG will get his 350k/w plus some loyalty bonuses. All other alternatives is worse. Since we hired OGS we are back to the same approach as we had with Sir Alex, We reward loyalty and longevity. Selling him isn’t on the table,
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He's one of my favourite players too but there's no way I want our keeper on £350k/pw with bonuses. If you look at how much the other keepers are on at the other top clubs, they are no where near that figure. Once we start paying that for a keeper then the centre backs will want it, so will the midfielders and your star players - well £500k/pw is starting salary. We'll be bankrupt if we keep dishing out salaries like this.

I know it's not as straight forward as this, but we need to offload Sanchez and learn not to throw silly money around.

DDG should be on between £150 - £200k/pw + bonuses. Not more. Not for their position. Yes keepers win you points but they are also static for a lot of the time. You expect keepers to make top saves when it required of them. The average keeper salary in the top clubs is probably £100k or so - why the heck should we be paying £350 for ours.

If he doesn't want £200k/pw then sell him and I'd be happy with Romero in goal and we have some promising keepers in the squad coming through.
 
deadrevelz said:
Eurgh... this is getting old now. I thought £350K was silly money but where will it end? This is another symptom of the lack of success we've had. No way De Gea would be doing this if we were winning trophies. We have to get back to the top level so we can offer players more than just a high wage or this will keep happening.

375K per week for 5 years = £97.5MIL

If we bought a top keeper it would cost 75MIL
Wages at 200K per week for 5 years = 52MIL
Total = 127MIL.

So it still works out cheaper to give De Gea the contract and with less risk involved in signing a new keeper.

The club is run poorly both financially and on the pitch. We need a DoF, a great structure in place for the summer and a big transfer kitty so we can start challenging next year. Penny pinching ultimately leads to a loss in profits, surely the owners see that by now.
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I agree with the maths, even if you have just pulled it out of your arse.

But you are missing one HUGE point and that's how salary affects what other players want to earn. The Sanchez salary has fecked things up. If DDG starts earning £350k/pw what do you do for when top defenders need renewing, midfielders and strikers etc. Soon we'll have 11 players on £250-£500k/pw which is unsustainable.

We need to put our foot down just like other clubs would do. Seems to me like Woody hasn't got the balls to stand up to agents in my opinion as no way DDG would go to Real of £350k/pw as it would ruin their wage structure just like it would ours.
 
Ballache said:
Good post, we do have Romero and also Henderson coming through.
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This will ultimately come down to how the club feel about Henderson. If he's seen as a potential replacement then it gives the club the upper hand in negotiations as we wouldn't have to spend on a replacement. On the other hand, if we are really offering players like Mata £170 per week, why wouldn't De Gea ask for this amount? Our wage structure is ridiculous, and this is just another one of many issues that needs to be addressed.
 
We need an rvn said:
I agree with the maths, even if you have just pulled it out of your arse.

But you are missing one HUGE point and that's how salary affects what other players want to earn. The Sanchez salary has fecked things up. If DDG starts earning £350k/pw what do you do for when top defenders need renewing, midfielders and strikers etc. Soon we'll have 11 players on £250-£500k/pw which is unsustainable.

We need to put our foot down just like other clubs would do. Seems to me like Woody hasn't got the balls to stand up to agents in my opinion as no way DDG would go to Real of £350k/pw as it would ruin their wage structure just like it would ours.
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It's complex you're right. What if players will be less likely to come here if we sell our best player to a rival? We still have Sanchez currently and there are no rumours linking him with an exit, so we would still have the wage issue. I don't think the rest of the squad, minus Pogba would be able to use it to justify a big wage considering De Geas talent, experience and years spent with the club. He's one of just two first team players to win a league with us (ignoring Young who probably won't be first team next season).

It's a sh*t situation.
 
reddevil702 said:
On the other hand, if we are really offering players like Mata £170 per week
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Thats cheap :D :D :D

I believe you meant 170k. Not sure if we are giving him a hike after he turned 30 and is playing a backup role.
But anyways, GKs can't keep comparing themselves with attacking player salaries. It just doesn't happen anywhere.
 
deadrevelz said:
It's complex you're right. What if players will be less likely to come here if we sell our best player to a rival? We still have Sanchez currently and there are no rumours linking him with an exit, so we would still have the wage issue. I don't think the rest of the squad, minus Pogba would be able to use it to justify a big wage considering De Geas talent, experience and years spent with the club. He's one of just two first team players to win a league with us (ignoring Young who probably won't be first team next season).

It's a sh*t situation.
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Smalling and Jones too. Valencia too but he is out of the door.
 
Bestie07 said:
Smalling and Jones too. Valencia too but he is out of the door.
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Yeah I meant 'guaranteed' starters, didn't make that clear. Young, Jones, Valencia don't apply for me. Of course Matic has won one with Chelsea. Smalling has just signed a new contract so it wouldn't affect him.
 
Phil Osophy said:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd put 300k on the table and if he doesn't take it then he can do one. He's a super keeper on the goal line but he's built in the same mould of Casillas and similar GKs, so we should be careful with losing our heads with a 5 years contract on crazy numbers.

De Gea bases his game on pure reflexes under the posts, but he's lacking in some other areas which are important too. He's a shy keeper at deflecting aerial balls, and we have recurrent problems defending set pieces and crosses year after year partly because of him. He's insecure at anticipating long balls at the back of our defence, and this flaw will be exposed the more offensive we play, as it seems we'll do from on now.

The day he starts losing his feline reflexes he'll become an expensive problem, and someone at the club has to see it coming. It happened with Rooney, it happened with Alexis, and in the future it will happen with De Gea because we don't see the train coming until we're under it.

Also, a player earning... 400k? would set the bar even higher for future transfers and contract renewals. De Gea feels in a strong position here after being the best player for years and it's reasonable, but I think it would be better to improve the team in general to depend on the keeper doing magic saves, less and less every time. I have the feeling that certain agents have been doing whatever they want with us for many years, and they go so confident to negotiations asking for the moon.

The way I see it we should show the muscle as a club for once and set the conditions here, for many reasons - 300k and 3 years of contract. And bin Alexis in the summer wherever and however so the 350k shit stops being brought time and time again. Honestly I feel tired of seeing some smart guys negotiate and play with us like we were a plastic toy. Let's show the balls for once and if we lose the keeper we'll find another one, surely more human under the posts but maybe more balanced and complete in the general play, and without asking for silly things.
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100% agree with you. As good as DDG has been for us, perhaps he is one of our most overrated players. If we lose DDG, we already have Romero. We need to remember Real Madrid won 3 UCLs with Navas as their goalkeeper. I would rather we invest money on the rest of the team and not have to depend so much for n DDG making a last-ditch save.
 
Dike_Manc said:
Absolutely agree with every word you said here. I too love De Gea but we concede way too many chances from set pieces and he's part of the problem. He deserves to be the best paid here but I, for one won't be too bothered if we lose him.

P. S Maybe we might get a keeper who'll save at least one penalty a season.
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Our entire defense is also a part of the problem.

And I don't think you understand penalties.
 
Crafton has really close ties to De Gea's camp, doesn't he?
 
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