Seriously? What a ridiculous comment to make . It's been no where near 18 months plus to compare him to the disaster what was Sanchez shows this up as possibly the most moronic comment I've ever seen on here
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Seriously? What a ridiculous comment to make . It's been no where near 18 months plus to compare him to the disaster what was Sanchez shows this up as possibly the most moronic comment I've ever seen on here
The manager and half a dozen plus ,under-performing players cost us top 4 last season.
Have you been watching games?
He was our best player for at least 5 seasons in a row.
They are/were 3 fantastic, world class keepers, you can argue about the rank order for sure but there is not the huge difference in quality you are trying to suggest.
A Manchester United Goalkeeper has to be proactive in nature and De Gea fails in that regard. If some of you can't look beyond his shot stopping where he's rooted to his line, then yes he's world class. But if like myself you expect a keeper to have some sort of command of his area and have the requisite distribution skills/sweeper abilities then De Gea isn't good enough. He's also the biggest pussy I've ever seen play in goal for us.
De Gea has always been a reactive keeper who isn't good at all when it comes to dominating his area. He's actually a very good shot stopper, but other facets of his game are close to non existent which for a keeper at a big club is quite shocking IMO.
De Gea has always been a reactive keeper who isn't good at all when it comes to dominating his area. He's actually a very good shot stopper, but other facets of his game are close to non existent which for a keeper at a big club is quite shocking IMO.
I have read some ridiculous comments on this group, but that sir is well up there at the top of them.
Are you sure mate?
Come on man. We all appreciate him. But if it’s time to go. It’s just that, don’t matter how you say it.
I guess you missed him getting pushed around by Mitrovic and his performances against Wolves last season.
It’s totally true, though. He’s actually quite cowardly for a goalkeeper.
I know we all (well some of us) let to forget about unfavourable results and move on. This however, takes the biscuit, he has cost us so many points this year, the latest was against Palace and the Southampton goal could be disputed also.
He is declining, he reminds me so much of Casillas, same attributes, peaked at the same age, started the decline at the same age. Although Casillas was better than him commanding the box.
People need to understand, the club is not a charity for players to get long contracts at the age of 30 based on performances 3 years ago with huge pay. First of all he should not have a long contract. Second, he should not be paid as an attacker. Third, he should not be paid huge money hoping he will regain his form of 3 years ago. Everything say's we should part, thanks for the years.
People need to understand, the club is not a charity for players to get long contracts at the age of 30 based on performances 3 years ago with huge pay. First of all he should not have a long contract. Second, he should not be paid as an attacker. Third, he should not be paid huge money hoping he will regain his form of 3 years ago. Everything say's we should part, thanks for the years.
No he actually did at the end. Chelsea and Arsenal. Pendulum swing twice.
get this guy now
Why would Oblak come? Can't imagine he would be interested.
And yes, we should keep DDG, but not at the emperor's ransom we'd be paying. So we should be looking for options and I'm sure we are.
And yes, we should keep DDG, but not at the emperor's ransom we'd be paying. So we should be looking for options and I'm sure we are.
And yet despite all that we were in a position to get top 4 until De Gea made a mistake in every game for the last month or 2 which ultimately is the thing that cost us
Its been 18 months even if its hard for you to believe it. And De Gea has been a disaster, he gifted goals against Chelsea, Arsenal, City which would had mase all the difference between getting top 4 and ending at 6th. Also against Barcelona in the UCL and a terrible mistake against PSG as well that they didn't convert but would had cost us all the joy of that heroic night.
Between doing shit like Alexis and gifting goals like De Gea Id preffer Alexis. Alexis is highlighted because how much his wages are, but he contributes around the same shitty quality as Mata or Lingard.
De Gea is the best paid GK in the world and should be criticized as that.
For me, Schmeichel is the greatest goalkeeper in our history. He’s everything that embodies a phenomenal goalkeeper. Maybe it’s a German thing as he reminds me of our prime Manuel Neur and Oliver Kahn. Strong in the air, can save penalties, score goals, command his defense etc. At the time of the poll, I was still debating between Van Der Sar or De Gea who is the second best but I always thought it’s not fair and gave the benefit of the doubt to De Gea as Van Der Sar was in one of our greatest United team while De Gea was our best player and had to singlehandedly rescue us in our post SAF team.
However, when you look back before De Gea declined, there are still some attributes of his game which doesn’t make him an all time great goalkeeper and that puts him behind Van Der Sar. He has a diabolical record in penalties, he doesn’t come off his line very often and doesn’t have the commanding presence or fear that strikes into strikers that great goalkeepers like Schmeichel and Van Der Sar possess.
What matters is only the present and the future. What use is it if he was so good in the past but shit now? In any given professional job, you would be fired a long time ago if you cost your company millions even if you perform well and made them a lot of money in the past. I think De Gea has already been given a lot of leeway as compared to say Pogba, due to his contribution in the past for us. But the time has come when enough is enough and him holding us to ransom asking for a higher salary doesn’t justify his recent performance. I would be glad to see him go honestly. Perhaps he has already peaked as a goalkeeper. He’s played for us for 9 years and we gotten the best out of him. Better to let him go than to let him extort money from us, and we get a younger and hungrier goalkeeper. This would also send a statement out to the players that we as a club will not let players hold our club to ransom over wages.
Whats worrying is the overlapping wage inflation. Since the wage standard is pegged so high with frankly average players being paid loads, and the inability to simply turnover an entire team, it may be ages before we are able to lower the wage standard
He is not going to work as a goalkeeper for Ole. Full stop.
he is not a footballer. He is not a keeper who gets involved in the game. He is a shot-stopper... probably the best - or one of - the best shot stoppers of all time. But he is not a keeper for a modern manager.
Does anybody think De Gea would be a No.1 choice for Pep or Klopp? Pep would have got shot of De Gea in the exact way he got shot of Hart.. Not good enough a footballer or reader of the game to be his No.1.
And - as Ole is asking De Gea to be a footballer and to read the game - we can all now see the massive weakness in his game. He has been very poor under Ole. And will continue to be. Because he is only a shot stopper.
This is why he is not regarded around Europe. He is not Spain's Number 1. When top class goalkeepers are asked who the best keepers in the world are.. nobody mentions De Gea. He is not a modern rounded No.1 and he will not be a good goalkeeper for the system Ole wants to play. We all know this now, we have seen a massive decline in De Gea since Ole came in. He is not good enough.
The big problem here is, while we need to get rid and upgrade to a footballing keeper, I'm not quite sure who is going to snap De Gea up.. genuinely.
he is not a footballer. He is not a keeper who gets involved in the game. He is a shot-stopper... probably the best - or one of - the best shot stoppers of all time. But he is not a keeper for a modern manager.
Does anybody think De Gea would be a No.1 choice for Pep or Klopp? Pep would have got shot of De Gea in the exact way he got shot of Hart.. Not good enough a footballer or reader of the game to be his No.1.
And - as Ole is asking De Gea to be a footballer and to read the game - we can all now see the massive weakness in his game. He has been very poor under Ole. And will continue to be. Because he is only a shot stopper.
This is why he is not regarded around Europe. He is not Spain's Number 1. When top class goalkeepers are asked who the best keepers in the world are.. nobody mentions De Gea. He is not a modern rounded No.1 and he will not be a good goalkeeper for the system Ole wants to play. We all know this now, we have seen a massive decline in De Gea since Ole came in. He is not good enough.
The big problem here is, while we need to get rid and upgrade to a footballing keeper, I'm not quite sure who is going to snap De Gea up.. genuinely.
The first bold bit.... no it's not. It might be the main bit but a good goalie should help marshall the defence too and be a part of a collective defence that preempts and prevents chances. For example, the Southampton goal.... he didn't need to save the header (and didn't), he needed to come out and punch/gather the cross like 90% of goalies would have done and prevent them even having a chance. Moving off his line and positioning have always been major flaws in his game but in the past, his miraculous ability at shot stopping has gotten him (and other defenders tbf) out of jail. I'd rather prevention than cure.
The second bold bit.... as others have said, just no. He comes out a.couple of steps and Palace struggle to score that winner.... he sees the cross about to happen for Southampton, comes out and gathers/clears it, they don't get that equaliser. That's not to say the defence shouldn't have helped too but they were goalie errors and given his age, I can't see him coming off his line more in the future plus his ball playing ability (at feet) is average at best. He's getting left behind compared to what a modern goalie is asked to do and especially one where the team are told to pass it out (as we now seem to be).
Great goalie in the past, good one now but not one I'd give that contract too. Not for him and not for the precedent it helps set/perpetuate.
If he doesn’t sign his contract within the next month,then I think it’s game over...I wouldn’t hold anything against him though,he’s been terrific for us over the last 5-6 seasons and if he wants to move on,then so be it..,
For a club that has become fairly used to failure and mediocrity, we do love a “We’re confident that X will happen..”. Eriksen was the nadir. We were confident for almost as long as it took the journos we’d briefed to write their pieces.
5 points? So you're basically blaming him alone for every goal we've conceded this season?
Seems likely he's wanting to go for free next summer since he hasn't actually signed despite the club clearly briefing the media he would in the summer - that might maybe suggest that he was happy with the money the club offered him, but perhaps other factors have since changed his mind - maybe Juve have come in with a stronger offer, maybe his family or partner fancy a bit of Italy, or maybe the piss-poor transfer window and state of the squad has killed any hope he might've had that United are going anywhere positive, who knows.
Doesn't surprise me at all that Juventus would go for him; can't see Real going for him at this point given his reputation must have been hit since the World Cup (especially in Spain) so Juve would be a very attractive option I'm sure. I wonder if PSG will challenge them though, after taking Herrera from us in similar circumstances?
Doesn't surprise me at all that Juventus would go for him; can't see Real going for him at this point given his reputation must have been hit since the World Cup (especially in Spain) so Juve would be a very attractive option I'm sure. I wonder if PSG will challenge them though, after taking Herrera from us in similar circumstances?
If he is hoping to strengthen his hand in negotiations, he has done feck all to deserve it. Now that Sanchez is not even around, he's probably the highest earner unless Pogba signs a new deal.
For the Palace first goal a modern day keeper sweeps up once it's headed on as he has a high starting position. De Gea starts very deep as usual and he only comes out once Ayew is in possession of the ball. Alisson, Lloris and Ederson both sweep up before Ayew even gets a chance to get to it. For the second goal he gets beaten by Van Aanholt at his near post. Clear as day error.5 points? So you're basically blaming him alone for every goal we've conceded this season?
For the Southampton goal he has to catch the header. Failing to do that he has to come out for the cross. It wasn't that far out but as usual he opted to stay on his line and put the defence in a difficult situation. Again a more proactive goalkeeper stops this goal.
Not clear and obvious errors but imo errors nonetheless.
I think you're being harsh, on the first Palace goal he's never been a sweeper keeper like Lloris (your comparison) has been but over the past god knows how many years who would have had Lloris ahead of De Gea because of that? No one.
As for the Southampton goal I've just watched it back, the cross coming into the box was out swinging and headed in on the edge of the 6 yard box - could he have come and got it? Maybe but look at it this way 7 seconds before the goal was headed in De Gea made a save from the first set piece, in those 7 seconds no one went to close the ball down, everyone just waited for the next phase of the attack to occur and then there's Lindelof's part (being out-jumped, ok he was against a giant so bit of a miss match but then people were blaming Lindelof for being out-jumped the week before as well). Could DDG have had a truly inspired 7 seconds where he makes an excellent save and then comes and claims the next one? Again maybe, but like you said certainly not a obvious error on his behalf
I think because he's started to let soft goals go in people are now using what's always been his weaker areas as a stick to beat him with whereas for years it was largely overlooked because of the heroics he was performing. Personally I would of hoped he'd have enough credit in the bank from supporters that they'd go easy on him. Alas not
Close to a new £290k p/w deal according to Jamie Jackson.
So your argument against using labels is to call someone a "dull, condescending prick"? Brilliant stuff.
I'm not against using labels. I don't know where you got that from.
He was close in the spring and even closer right after the window closed. Now he’s only close again. That pen nib must have lifted a few millimetres from the paper...
He sat on the table, that's how close he was in the summer. Now he started to move his hand towards the pen.
Yeah....imagine a goal keeper making a few mistakes!!
That is a very accurate summary of the hugely exaggerated criticism.
He made a few uncharacteristic mistakes at the end of last season and now he is getting criticism for every goal conceded.
Have to laugh at the Loris comparison....if DDG had made even half the clangers that Loris has made coming flying out and messing up the same people would have him run out of town
Thanks for that. Saved me replying to that post, and I couldn't have said it better.
I still think it's all the uncertainity about his future that is shaking his form and once he signs he'll be back to his best.
The club should take the offer off the table, take time to reassess his form, and make an offer accordingly. We have too many players on wages that do not reflect their contribution/ability.
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