I thought he did well when DDG came off with the knock and common sense says after a few errors - which I think it's fair to say DDG has made individually - Henderson should at least get the chance at No1. Then the pressure is on him, if he messes up, DDG should be fighting to regain his spot. Competition is everything when it comes to getting players to play at their peak.
We will find way mate, we find it with Sanchez.
Dave will go on a few games of wonder saves and he’ll be proclaimed as the goat of all United keepers, then he’ll cost the team and become shite. This place is a joke, no one stands by a comment they make about any player, they just knee jerk from one performance to another. Dave needed to go when Real’s fax machine had issues, he’s not going to improve over the next few years, we’ll just keep seeing costly mistakes and defensive issues as he doesn’t take responsibility for his area. When we get a dominant keeper our defence will function a lot better.
But you had to pay a huge portion of his wages during his loan and then you had to buy him out of his contract, something that I just don't think De Gea would agree to unless he's relegated to the bench for a while.
Wow the situation at Utd is much worse than I thought.
I don’t understand why people have written off Henderson so definitively. He’s only played a few times in the first team and is yet to make a mistake while making some decent saves all whilst being more commanding, better in the air and homegrown. How are you assessing him as not good enough?
i would have started with Henderson this season, Ole stuck with DDG and i thought his performances certainly improved but this last 4 weeks you can see all the errors kicking in again, think its now time to give Henderson a good 10/15 games see what he does, certainly think he will control the backline much better then De Gea, which is needed, would also give Axel the same chance.
He‘s got a six year £117,000,000 contract ....equivalent to £19.5 million per year.
Makes me wonder what player/players we could get for that kind of money.
Its no fecking wonder he likes Ole
He‘s got a six year £117,000,000 contract ....equivalent to £19.5 million per year.
Makes me wonder what player/players we could get for that kind of money.
Its no fecking wonder he likes Ole
Six years!?!?! Oh my GOD.
Yep six fecking years, and he couldn’t stop a pig in a passage
5. Sweeping
6. Mentality
That’s true, although I believe Sanchez was also willing to take a wage cut
Yes and yes. IIRC hes at 350/k week, which is about 150 more than you should pay any keeper, never mind a declining one.
And he does make our defense worse. Part of the reason we struggle on set pieces is because he never leaves his line unless the ball falls right into his lap, opponents knows this so they can aim their balls into the 6 yard box, at which point they become hard to defend and incredibly dangerous as only the slightest of touches can lead to a goal.
And he seemingly never talks with his defenders. Yesterday was a prime example
As a keeper you have the best vision on the field and should constantly be instructing your defense on what to do and who to pick up. There has been talks of the 3rd goal last night and how he should have done better. Fair enough. Both him and Maguire should have done better for that one. But the one that really bothers me is the first goal. Watching it back, AWB is running in to pic up their left winger while Angelino is all alone. It's only after the cross gets past everyone that AWB runs over the try and block the LB's shot. AWB is running towards goal and his back is to Angelino, so he won't know he's there. This is where the keeper has to take charge. The guy AWB was marking as already marked by Lindelof. Did De Gea let AWB know about Angelino? Things like this seems to happen quite frequently and it makes me wonder if De Gea is doing as good of a job organizing his defense as he should be...
Completely agree. I got slated for being disappointed about the fax machine "error" and have been getting slated ever since whenever I point out his errors...
Exactly. It was sort of a meme around here that opposing keepers always had a worldie when we were playing them, but the truth is that these kinds of insane reactions saves that looks impressive on the telly are done regularly by pretty much every top keeper out there.
De Gea was super human in 17/18, so it masked over his faults to some degree, but that time is over.
I have nothing against him and hes been a fine servant of the club, but its time pass on the torch
He started the season pretty well, but is a shadow of the keeper he once was. Honestly, what was that last night for the third goal? Where's the authority? The confidence? Command of his area? Why the hesitation? He constantly tries to save the ball with his feet which just isn't working. No we have an overpaid goalkeeper who seems to be on a rapid decline. Another problem for a club who could do without any more.
He couldn’t catch Covid
how i wish we had oblak
how i wish we had oblak
I would like us to offload him now. I've just had enough at this point. We have Henderson who might make some mistakes and not save our asses with crazy saves every weekend like De Gea did, but De Gea isn't doing that anymore. At this point what we need is a dependable, brave, hungry keeper with a winning mentality and confidence to not take shit from anyone. De Gea has not been the same since his trips back to Spain. Every time he has gone on international duty he comes back a worse player.
Henderson has to be no.1 and he has to be vocal and demanding of the defence in front of him.
Definitely time to give Henderson a run of games. The back four should be more composed, if they have faith in a goalkeeper who commands his area and collects crosses. For those people who are unconvinced about Henderson, compare Sheffield United with him last season and without him this season.
70ish% his fault for the third goal, he could have cleaned it up pretty easily if focused to do so.
30ish% his fault for goals one & two. Could have potentially done better with the first, the second had a bit of an indoor / small side goal due to the proximity of the shot. But, DDG’s body is all wrong, no attempt at all to be assertive in that instance. Passive.
Then the third goal which was this mentality writ large.
It would help the squad to have a more connected keeper behind them right now, connected both physically & mentally.
Offered Ole perfect cover regardless the severity.
De Gea clearly isn't a shouter and his distribution is shocking,therefore Dean deserves an opportinity to be no 1
Yet for all these stats, he's made important saves to help United win matches or keep them in it. 3rd goal yesterday was poor. He's not at his best anymore, but he's hardly the main reason for United crashing out of CL.
Henderson is the future, but when is hard to predict unless DDG has clangers week in week out...plus his contract is deadweight. So either he's the most expensive keeper who happens to be 2nd choice or United somehow offload him.
Completely agree with the OP. It’s ludicrous that a GK at a club such as United can be one of the worst keepers in the league for much of the last 2.5 years and yet basically go unchallenged as number one.
Also, DDG has a weak mentality. I don’t see any reason why else his command of the area would be as shocking as it is. Not to mention his horrendous habit of fecking up in knockout games.
The decline is sad to see, and I’m grateful for the outstanding keeper (albeit always with limitations) we saw between 2012-2018, but how many more big matches can he mess up in and how many more howlers in random games do we need to see before realising that he simply doesn’t cut the mustard anymore?
Also, DDG has a weak mentality. I don’t see any reason why else his command of the area would be as shocking as it is. Not to mention his horrendous habit of fecking up in knockout games.
The decline is sad to see, and I’m grateful for the outstanding keeper (albeit always with limitations) we saw between 2012-2018, but how many more big matches can he mess up in and how many more howlers in random games do we need to see before realising that he simply doesn’t cut the mustard anymore?
He should've been dropped two seasons ago when his blunders caused us to miss out on the top four after Ole had taken over from Jose.
This was reiterated last season when he replaced Sergio in the EL and then fecked up the semis.
That he's still first choice and seemingly undroppable is a huge concern. I'm dreading him starting against City.
Ole has to be more ruthless as things like this (and the way he bent over for Pogba in the past) will end up costing him his job.
When does DDG's contract expire?
This was reiterated last season when he replaced Sergio in the EL and then fecked up the semis.
That he's still first choice and seemingly undroppable is a huge concern. I'm dreading him starting against City.
Ole has to be more ruthless as things like this (and the way he bent over for Pogba in the past) will end up costing him his job.
When does DDG's contract expire?
He's been the constant.
It may be a little harsh but he's been the only constant since 2011, and no wonder our defense have been sh!t since then, even in those last years of Rio and Vidic.
Yeah... He was able to do many of those hollywood saves, but as an analogy, those saves are the same as AWB tackles, a great asset to have, but a result of covering his own deficiencies.
VDS didn't need to do those spectacular saves cause he was great in all other areas of keepers play.
The keeper and the 2 CB are a unit, like a 3 leg table, they should play and understand the game together, maybe we've been faulting the wrong legs of the table all along
It may be a little harsh but he's been the only constant since 2011, and no wonder our defense have been sh!t since then, even in those last years of Rio and Vidic.
Yeah... He was able to do many of those hollywood saves, but as an analogy, those saves are the same as AWB tackles, a great asset to have, but a result of covering his own deficiencies.
VDS didn't need to do those spectacular saves cause he was great in all other areas of keepers play.
The keeper and the 2 CB are a unit, like a 3 leg table, they should play and understand the game together, maybe we've been faulting the wrong legs of the table all along
DDG won a PL with Rio and Vidic, so the defense hasn't been complete shit, just underwhelming since there is a dearth of top CBs. Now there's a lot of good, but not great CBs with different skill sets from when DDG first came to United.
VDS was a better overall keeper, but he too made spectacular saves, albeit fewer of them as he was behind a wall most of the time. DDG has regressed the past 2 years, there's no denying it, but he's still a capable GK.
DDG has propped up the 3 legged table for 7/8 years, and he's been pegged down the past couple years since the 2018 WC. But he's not this complete liability like Karius or Kepa.
This was why Jose was spot on when he questioned the new contract given to DDG. We give him a massive pay increase when he had nowhere to go and in giving him the increase make it even more unlikely that we can't get rid. Sheer business incompetence from Woodward in the one thing he's supposed to be good at.
Regardless of the money situation he should be dropped.
Woody is incompetence FC
Woody is business minded. He only cares about protecting the value of an asset because that's all he knows. We have to split the leadership at the club into a business half and a sporting half. The longer we leave the more we'll fall.
Well the problem with Dave this season which worries me the most is that he's actually very consistent. I think it's only recently people started discussing his performances level. Or have I missed him saving us from a defeat this season? The data is also showing he's having his worst season in 5 years, and in terms of shot stopping he's below average compared to other Keepers.
Yeah that is a very good idea but our board tends to ignore those and do their own thing
He's been a great servant for the club. That said, we need to plan for the immediate future and Dean is that. We need to switch things up actually. Start Dean in the important games and have Dave start in the cup games, now the Europa League (ffs).
My biggest issue with De Gea is not the mistakes, the declining reflexes, the way he clings to his line like a limpet clings to a rock, not his poor distribution by modern standards, not the fact he is poor at claiming crosses and doesn’t command his area - I could forgive him all of that to an extent as he does have some credit in the bank.
What I can’t forgive is his cowardice. The bloke is afraid of his own shadow. To not be willing to take one for the team or put his body where it hurts, especially as a GK, is an unforgivable offence for me
What I can’t forgive is his cowardice. The bloke is afraid of his own shadow. To not be willing to take one for the team or put his body where it hurts, especially as a GK, is an unforgivable offence for me
Ill just leave this here too.
Schmeichel on the team style and type of goalkeeper. Uses Ben Foster as an example, could almost be describing De Gea.
Schmeichel on the team style and type of goalkeeper. Uses Ben Foster as an example, could almost be describing De Gea.
He’s gone from holding the team together to being an absolute liability. He’s shaky, it’s losing us games and I don’t get why he’s still being played. Pogba was dropped, De Gea next.
He’s inconsistent (unfortunately just like everyone else at the club - except for Bruno).
we’re lucky we have a good prospect like henderson. He needs to be given a good run of games
we’re lucky we have a good prospect like henderson. He needs to be given a good run of games
Yep absolutely. It is very much untenable to have the highest paid player in the whole bloody league on the bench though.