David De Gea | Free agent | Said his goodbyes

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Compton22 said:


Yeah, a player that is not under contract will respect the wishes of the club he's not under contract with anymore :lol:
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This is rubbish, the sun has always been bs stirrers when it comes to our club and probably because of murdoch failed attempt to buy us
 
MadDogg said:
Of course not. Nobody is saying that. A more suitable question would be whether Ederson and De Gea had swapped clubs do you believe City would still have won the treble? Hell, do you think he would even have played or would Pep have played Ortega all season instead?
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If we had Ederson, we wouldn't get higher than 3rd place. 100% guaranteed.

And with that midfield and attack who treated the ball like hot potato, we actually needed more of shot-stopper type Gk than a ball-playing one.
 
Free agent on the same weekend he's getting married? Would have thought he'd want to be at home to deal with the multitude of offers coming in from Europe's top clubs.
 
Who's Kissing Cameras? said:
If he’s so good why aren’t:

Arsenal
PSG
Juve
Bayern
Dortmund
Madrid
City
Liverpool
Barca
Atletico
Napoli
Inter

Fighting tooth and nail to sign this world class keeper on a free? They could’ve signed him in January!

He’s nowhere near Ederson as a keeper in 2023 in ALL aspects.
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That is a very disingenuous post.

Barring 1 or 2 of the clubs on your list all of them have a settled top class Keeper and so whether DDG is available or not is irrelevant. You are also factually incorrect in that none of the English clubs you mention could have signed him in January. Once he signals he is moving on and won't be extending with United he will get offers and may well end up at a big club, until it happens you won't know who is interested in taking him.

That we can do better is not in dispute but the need to try and denigrate him by making up nonsense is getting a bit silly.
 
Isotope said:
Let's do the math. I know it's sometime hard but bare with me.

It seems like we'll need a 2nd choice Gk. How much will he cost? Well, if we only need body, probably 5M with 50k/wk wage. For 2 years contract, that equivalent to? 100k/wk wage.

Now if we need reliable experience Gk, that might cost 10M at 100k/wk. In 2 yrs contract, that equivalent to ~200k/wk.

So it depends on what profile we want for 2nd Gk, and how long the contract goes.
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We really shouldn't be fumbling signing a back up gk, a lot of we'll run top clubs seem to be able to recruit reliable back up's without any fuss or any bug money outlay but unfortunately we have morons in charge at our club.

Ole really did screw up a good thing we had going with romero as our back up gk
 
Lee565 said:
We really shouldn't be fumbling signing a back up gk, a lot of we'll run top clubs seem to be able to recruit reliable back up's without any fuss or any bug money outlay but unfortunately we have morons in charge at our club.

Ole really did screw up a good thing we had going with romero as our back up gk
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Not really, Romero wanted to start so he would be long gone regardless. The only thing we screwed up was not selling him when we had the chance but that was all Woodward.
 
You know these F1 fans who only got into the sport because of a shite Netflix show? They are mostly absolute cnuts, only there for the drama, acting childish, having no respect for anyone but the one they think is the "goat" and whatnot.

Where did all the United fans acting like that came from? Playing FUT on FIFA? Spending too much time on Twitter?
 
Lee565 said:
We really shouldn't be fumbling signing a back up gk, a lot of we'll run top clubs seem to be able to recruit reliable back up's without any fuss or any bug money outlay but unfortunately we have morons in charge at our club.

Ole really did screw up a good thing we had going with romero as our back up gk
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True that. I'm wondering what our Gk scout is doing. Last time, we got Tom Heaton who's just there as decoration collecting dust.
 
I wonder where is official statement on de Gea? Club can’t ignore the fact that a player with over 500 club appearances is out of contract and keep silence
 
It's sad for him - he could have just taken the lower contract offer (I know it sucks but it's not exactly an unfair reflection of his current worth as a modern day goalkeeper).
If he wants to keep playing I'm sure there will be takers in Italy. Or even Spurs can swoop in - they need a keeper.
 
From his pov there’s really no reason to stay. The manager doesn’t want you, you have at best 1 year then be not wanted again when we have new owners and more spending capacity.
 
As much as I dont want De Gea to be given a new contract this is just classless. Just decide weather he stays or not, it's beyond ridiculous at this point.
 
MadDogg said:
It quite clearly started after his disaster showing at the 2018 World Cup. Hasn't been remotely the same since. His last two seasons have actually been a slight improvement over the two seasons before that, so it's hardly him slowly declining. He fell of an cliff pretty much overnight at that World Cup.

17/18 - His absolute shot-stopping peak, making saves left right and centre that he had no right to make. That then led into the 2018 WC where he shit the bed for Spain and it seemed to utterly destroy his confidence that he's never recovered.

18/19 - Average most of the season. It was a very noticeable decline and his worst season since his first here, but he wasn't too bad and had so much credit in the bank that we weren't too worried. But then he utterly collapsed in the last couple months of the season with career-worst form, and was the main reason we missed the top four.

19/20 - Poor all season. Ole bought him into the line-up at the semi-final stage of all the three cups that season, where we lost all three with him badly at fault for two of those.

20//21 - Poor all season. Was directly at fault for the goal that ultimately knocked us out of the CL. Even Ole ultimately dropped him because of his poor form, but bought him back for the Europa matches where he was somewhat at fault for the final loss.

21/22 - Actually quite good again for the first half of the season. The only time in these last five years that he looked remotely like his old self. However he dropped right back off in the second half of the season and was fairly poor.

22/23 - Some good, some bad, with the trend being slowly downhill the longer the season wore on.

So not only has he been average-to-poor for most of the last five years, but he consistently has poor performances in the bigger games when the pressure is on.
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So much of what you are writing about is confidence related, but how much of that is down to the way that the game has changed and the knowledge that he doesn't have the skillset for it? It's his mental side - the mindset and confidence - that has changed. It comes back to what I said originally, I personally (and you are free to disagree of course) don't feel that his physical ability has declined that much, it's more to do with his lack of confidence. I genuinely think that if you stuck him in a side that played a deeper defence and didn't do much pressing that you would probably see much the same keeper that he was for us 5 or 6 years ago. Obviously that's no good to us, but I don't think he's finished ability-wise.
 
Witchking said:
If this is true which i hope is true, then thank you to De Gea for being a ray of sunshine for most of the seasons. The United team and management has been crap since 2013 and he played a vital role in us not dropping to 8 and below positions. Was a world class goal keeper. Still remember the 2015 fax debacle which may have benefitted United but not him as he might have some something more with Madrid.

The game has passed him by. He really tried to be a more active GK last season, trying to sweep, play short passes but he has come up short.
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Might have won more with Madrid? Might??!?!?/;$/??
 
Born2Lose said:
Free agent on the same weekend he's getting married? Would have thought he'd want to be at home to deal with the multitude of offers coming in from Europe's top clubs.
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Clearly has to let his contract end so that he can sign a new one with the wife to be.
 
MadDogg said:
Of course not. Nobody is saying that. A more suitable question would be whether Ederson and De Gea had swapped clubs do you believe City would still have won the treble? Hell, do you think he would even have played or would Pep have played Ortega all season instead?
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City's keeper , if named David De Gea would have had as little to do this season as Ederson did. City's imperiousness was the result of a lot of factors but one would be insane to argue that City's control of midfield and strength in the final third -- I'm thinking of a guy named Erling Haaland in particular, but Kevin De Bryune isn't too shabby either -- was the result of Ederson's impressive play.

But let's play along. In which important match was Ederson's ball playing ability the difference between City winning and losing? Not the FA Cup final, not the CL final, not the thrashing City gave Real and probably not City's win over Bayern.

United fell apart in key matches this season because we lacked a legitimate goal scoring threat. Even when Liverpool thrashed us 7-0 we were actually in it in the first half but we had no one who could bother Liverpool's back line. When West Ham beat us 1-0 -- and everyone acknowledges that De Gea should have saved Benhrama's shot -- we were toothless up front, which had nothing to do with progressing the ball out of the back. West Ham sat back and laughed while we tried to do something with the ball in the final third.
 
VP89 said:
It's sad for him - he could have just taken the lower contract offer (I know it sucks but it's not exactly an unfair reflection of his current worth as a modern day goalkeeper).
If he wants to keep playing I'm sure there will be takers in Italy. Or even Spurs can swoop in - they need a keeper.
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To be fair to him, there does not seem to be a legitimate contract offer for him to take as we cannot seem to make our minds up about what we want to do about the position.

Re the bolded, Spurs already signed a keeper which does mean that if Inter are not willing to be reasonable over Onana then we might be able to land Raya for a reasonable fee. Brentford already signed a replacement and he has told them he is going to run down his contract, after Spurs told them where to stick their 40M asking price they may well be motivated to take less as they are not in a position to lose him for nothing.
 
JagUTD said:
Erm...

Probably more the decade of relentless cheating and disregard for the rule that's got them to where they are rather than their ability to sell players.
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No, he’s absolutely spot on with this one. I’m absolutely sick to death of this club hanging on to players who should have been sold already. Why the feck are we umming and ahing over a keeper that’s been here for 12 years, past his best and doesn’t fit in to the style of play the manager wants to play? There are at least a dozen other players I can say the same for. Lingard was the absolute epitome of this mindset.

Even if there is a chance de gea wants to stay, you just need to sit him down and be like look we’re moving on and getting another first choice keeper in, you are welcome to stay and be 2nd choice and rotated for cup games but you’ll be on a lesser salary, or you’re free to look for other clubs. It’s as simple as that.

But no, instead, we’re dithering about wether to offer him a new contract and keep him on as first choice even though the manager obviously wants him replaced. It’s an absolute farce.
 
pcaming said:
From his pov there’s really no reason to stay. The manager doesn’t want you, you have at best 1 year then be not wanted again when we have new owners and more spending capacity.
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It's about money, I doubt even with the, arguably, second lowered offer we made that he'll be able to get it elsewhere. If this was 2016 he would had already signed with Real Madrid or some other top club. Fact is he doesnt have many options, I dont think he even has options to be in a top team besides us. Obviously that doesnt justify the way we've managed this.
 
This is embarrassing for the club, we should have made a decision by now (in my opinion to let him go). If he was good enough we'd have renewed him by now. Really appreciate what he has done, but it is time got him to cash in at Saudi now (just stay away from doughnuts is supermarkets...)
 
Gandalf said:
That is a very disingenuous post.

Barring 1 or 2 of the clubs on your list all of them have a settled top class Keeper and so whether DDG is available or not is irrelevant. You are also factually incorrect in that none of the English clubs you mention could have signed him in January. Once he signals he is moving on and won't be extending with United he will get offers and may well end up at a big club, until it happens you won't know who is interested in taking him.

That we can do better is not in dispute but the need to try and denigrate him by making up nonsense is getting a bit silly.
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Pedantic mate. European clubs have been able to talk to him since Jan.

The fact that Europes top clubs haven’t even been linked is telling. The only link we’ve seen is Saudi.
 
lex talionis said:
City's keeper , if named David De Gea would have had as little to do this season as Ederson did. City's imperiousness was the result of a lot of factors but one would be insane to argue that City's control of midfield and strength in the final third -- I'm thinking of a guy named Erling Haaland in particular, but Kevin De Bryune isn't too shabby either -- was the result of Ederson's impressive play.

But let's play along. In which important match was Ederson's ball playing ability the difference between City winning and losing? Not the FA Cup final, not the CL final, not the thrashing City gave Real and probably not City's win over Bayern.

United fell apart in key matches this season because we lacked a legitimate goal scoring threat. Even when Liverpool thrashed us 7-0 we were actually in it in the first half but we had no one who could bother Liverpool's back line. When West Ham beat us 1-0 -- and everyone acknowledges that De Gea should have saved Benhrama's shot -- we were toothless up front, which had nothing to do with progressing the ball out of the back. West Ham sat back and laughed while we tried to do something with the ball in the final third.
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While some people on here certainly overrate how much a keeper impacts the entire possession, control and tactics of a team, you go the other way and underrate it. A keeper plays a very significant role it enabling a team to impose their will on the opposition, not just in their passing ability but in their positioning. A keeper who is happy to take up positions to receive the ball and to then play the ball effectively instantly creates overlaps over the field as his own teammates can spread out as an 11 man team in the build-up rather than just 10 men. That then makes it easier for his teammates to find pockets of space to receive the ball, and to then have more time and options to pass to in turn.

A keeper with a high starting position and who is willing to act as a sweeper also makes it easier for his team to press and win the ball back quickly. His defenders can push up further and minimise the space, knowing that the opposition can't just hit it behind them for a counter.

Is the keeper the only reason City dominate the way that they do? Of course not. But he plays a significant part in it. I'll answer my own question I asked you before and say that there's not a chance in hell that Pep would play De Gea ahead of even Ortega, as he values what a pro-active keeper brings to his team as a whole. Hell, there's likely keepers in his youth team that he would play ahead of De Gea.

Why do you think basically every manager who has aimed to dominate possession over the last 10+ years have shown a strong focus on getting their keeper involved?
 
lex talionis said:
City's keeper , if named David De Gea would have had as little to do this season as Ederson did. City's imperiousness was the result of a lot of factors but one would be insane to argue that City's control of midfield and strength in the final third -- I'm thinking of a guy named Erling Haaland in particular, but Kevin De Bryune isn't too shabby either -- was the result of Ederson's impressive play.

But let's play along. In which important match was Ederson's ball playing ability the difference between City winning and losing? Not the FA Cup final, not the CL final, not the thrashing City gave Real and probably not City's win over Bayern.

United fell apart in key matches this season because we lacked a legitimate goal scoring threat. Even when Liverpool thrashed us 7-0 we were actually in it in the first half but we had no one who could bother Liverpool's back line. When West Ham beat us 1-0 -- and everyone acknowledges that De Gea should have saved Benhrama's shot -- we were toothless up front, which had nothing to do with progressing the ball out of the back. West Ham sat back and laughed while we tried to do something with the ball in the final third.
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I don't think there's any debate that playing a really high defensive, midfield and attacking line was absolutely central to how they smothered Bayern and Real at home. Whether they could have still won with DDG is basically unknowable, - they might have won a different way, or maybe DDG could be a different kind of keeper under Pep. But the idea that you could swap out any type of keeper into that team and it would make no difference to the kind of performance is ridiculous, of course it would be different.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
What's happened to De Gea is a really interesting case study - it's not often that the evolution of the game renders a previous top class player pretty much obsolete within the course of their own career. Like, he's still only 32, no injury concerns, not an ounce of body fat, and not a noticeable decline in ability - it's the game that has changed not him. I guess you could really say the same about Maguire - and that has happened in even less time. The pair of them could still play at the highest level for a team that is happy to defend deep and invite pressure, but are totally ill-suited to a team that presses and plays on the front foot. I hope they both go this summer, but I wish them both the best, particularly DDG.
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That’s an interesting view and I tend to agree, but what we need to remember is that de Gea’s development was severely damaged by two events in the summer of 2016.

First we brought in Jose as manager, who has never cared about retaining possession. All the work that had been done on Dave’s build up play, which had got pretty good, was thrown away with Jose only wanting the ball hoofed long and hard.

Second, the club was impressed with the work Franz Hoek had done with Dave and considered retaining him alone among LvG’s staff. Instead of doing so Dave was, unbelievably, asked what he wanted. Hoek had clearly taken him out of his comfort zone so he asked for him to be ousted and his old Atlético coach brought in. Only at United…

If those two things hadn’t happened I reckon there would have been a decent chance Dave would have kept up to date. He might still have declined by now, but we probably wouldn’t be looking at him as a throwback.
 
klsv said:
You know these F1 fans who only got into the sport because of a shite Netflix show? They are mostly absolute cnuts, only there for the drama, acting childish, having no respect for anyone but the one they think is the "goat" and whatnot.

Where did all the United fans acting like that came from? Playing FUT on FIFA? Spending too much time on Twitter?
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Ah, the classic "everyone who disagrees with me is a lesser fan and also stupid" take
 
At this rate, a U-Turn wouldn't surprise me.

We haven't seen any players being sold, and with Mount coming in for half the budget we have w/o sales is putting us in a tricky position for a new GK .
 
We’re now being linked with Justin Bijlow in the Dutch press.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
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This is a realistic picture of his standing in Spain. It's incredible that United are thinking of paying him on par with elite players, nevermind keepers.

He can't do the things Ten Hag wants him to. If we believe in Ten Hag's project the way forward is obvious. Yes, De Gea has been an incredible servant of the club. So was Bryan Robson, so was Steve Bruce, so was Roy Keane. Remember how it ended for them?

When it's your time to go, you go. That's how it was when we used to be successful.
 
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