First bad game in a long time. No problem there. He was in good form this season and i don't understand this agenda towards him. Still among the best in PL
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It's not an agenda, mate. Not everything is an agenda. There's only ONE keeper in the league who has a lower save percentage than De Gea. We've conceded 30 goals, which is worse than anyone else in the top ten. He's been in decline for a few years.
He was better in last few games, but overall this season he's unfortunately one of the worst GKs in the league.
Hilariously wrong statement by all accounts. De Gea has statistically been probably the worst keeper in the league, when you consider all the factors and the fact that he is the highest paid GK in the world.
Goalkeepers union is usually called when pundits/ex pros who made a living between the sticks struggle to find fault or defend other goalkeepers, at times blindly or without merit. Eric Thorstvedt was a goalkeeper.
As for why it’s nonsense, I’ve stated how I see the incident earlier. Your explanation with stills makes no sense to me, so I called it nonsense. I’m not sure what additional information you need to be honest.
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Said a few years ago that Ferdinand and Vidic at their best would look worse playing in front of him.
If he was the goalkeeper at the peak of their partnership and not Edwin Van der Sar, then they would have half the reputation they have, and the club wouldn't have as many trophies.
If he was the goalkeeper at the peak of their partnership and not Edwin Van der Sar, then they would have half the reputation they have, and the club wouldn't have as many trophies.
As a rule, I try not to criticize our players too much on here, as much of the criticism they receive is unwarranted, But this defence of De Gea is mind boggling. Ever since our game at Wembley against Spurs in Jan 2019, which was probably his last great game for us, he has made a string of errors that more often than not have cost us.
2018/2019
Away Arsenal- Totally misjudges Xhaka's shot, leaves us 1-0 behind and we lose the game.
Away Barca- Let's Messi's shot just go under him, leaving us 2-0 behind and virtually done for.
Away Everton- Questionable keeping on at least 2 of their goals.
Home Man City- Lets a shot from Sane go straight through him.
Home Chelsea- Fumbles a shot when we are 1-0 at the stroke of HT leaving to Chelsea equalizing.
Away Huddersfield- Let's the ball go through his legs when we are 1-0 up leading to a draw.
2019/20
Home Crystal Palace- Let's Aanholt's shot go through him in the last minute, leading us to losing the game.
Home Everton- Comes out to punch the corner and totally misses, leading to an OG and us going behind.
Away Watford- Lets Sarr's tame shot beat him at the near post. We again go on to lose.
Away Everton- Hits the ball straight at Calvert-Lewin, which bounces off him into the net, putting us behind in the 2nd minute.
Away Spurs- Lets Bergwijn's shot go straight through him, putting us behind.
Home Bournemouth- Beaten by Stanislas at his near post. Leaves us 1-0 down.
FA Cup Semi against Chelsea- At fault for 2 goals if you are critical, but definitely at fault for Mount's goal, again putting us behind.
2020/21
Away Soton- Gets a hand to Ward-Prowse's free kick after it has gone behind the line. He gets a strong hand as well, meaning he could have reached it had he moved quicker. Puts us 2-0 down.
Home Istanbul- Pretty much same as above though we were 3-0 up already.
Away Leipzig- Too slow to come out for Leipzig's 3rd goal, pretty much curtains for our CL campaign.
Home Villa- Maybe you can label this one as being critical but lets Traore's shot go through his legs.
Home Everton- 2 errors again costing us the 3 points.
I am sorry but he is nowhere near being the best in the PL in the last 2 years. Apart from errors leading directly to goals his hesitance in dealing with balls in the box and shoddy passing leads to so much panic. Case in point Sheff Utd's 2nd goal recently at OT. If he just boots the ball out, the danger is over, but he just plays it meekly along the floor to an opposing player leading to their goal.
Ran out of arguments for your feckless bias, did you?
Not catchable. Obviously, he does not knock it out because he thinks that's better thN catching it.
VanderSar was even better than schmeichel for me - much more consistent, even if not so spectacular
100% agree. I try really hard to give players the benefit of the doubt. I have been a vocal defender of Shaw, Maguire and McTominay, amongst others. I have also been a strong backer of Ole from the beginning through thick and thin.
My big problem is that there are a large percentage of people on here or on social media who don't REALLY watch the games. They kind of half-watch them whilst doing something else or maybe they watch one game in every two. I'm the same when I watch teams like Liverpool or City...I might have half an eye on the game whilst cooking dinner or browsing the Internet or whatever but I'm not watching the game intently.
For those of us who do watch the games intently, we see things well before other posters. I had the same issues with Rooney. I loved Rooney as a player. One of my all time favourite Utd players. However, unfortunately, some of us spotted his decline a long time but it became mainstream and it was very frustrating having the same excuses bought up over again - "lacking confidence, unfit, out of position, team-mates not on the same wavelength, other problems" etc...etc...
Why does the club wait until our players literally ruin their legacy before they do something about them? We really need to get ruthless
Okay. This is just so obviously distorted by raging bias that it's really beyond reason, and no point arguing with. If you really want to self-idiotise yourself to the extent of making arguments like that, it's your loss.
Now this is more like a viable argument.
I mean, he’s done some mad shit these past years, I’m not sure that argument is your best way to go @justsomebloke . We can maybe start asking if he thought it was a better idea at Watford to throw a ball in his own goal rather than catch it?
Ok, keep yer head in the sand mate, it feels much safer down there. There's only you, that weirdo Bob, and a shit keeper from 30 years ago that thinks De gea isn't at fault. The rest of the known universe is completely wrong.
I’ve been wanting De Gea to be sold for three seasons now. No arguments needed. Just have a look at his errors.
Spotted that and stood out for two reasons ... the one you mentioned and fact he actually stepped off his line and caught a cross.
I said exactly the same when watching it! Caught me right off guard
We have had our disagreements re Ole but this is spot on. Plus the fact if the keeper comes out and catches a cross that stops it for being an attempt on goal. DeGea now reminds me of the time Barthez was at OT. He saved a lot of goals he has no business saving but made so many mistakes too. Now DeGea is the same. As for him not knowing what is behind him, then he should be taking a quick peep at what is going on too. He certainly knows what is in front of him and that is Calvert and he has no business even attempting to put the ball where Calvert is going to get it.
When the defence knows they have a reliable keeper they obviously play better.
Very likely the best keeper at reflex saves. One of the worst at commanding his area. The flack some of our defenders when defending the area is sometimes actually unfair.
Alisson and Ederson are much better all round keepers than him.
Quality on his line but can't even command the six yard box let alone the penalty area!!
Quality on his line but can't even command the six yard box let alone the penalty area!!
Absolutely!
Prior to reading your post I just wrote a post with the gist being on similar lines.
Allison just made the same error DDG did, yet the Sky Sports narrative was “he tried the best he could to parry it to safety” 
Exactly. Everyone makes mistakes. Alisson also succumbed under pressure.Allison just made the same error DDG did, yet the Sky Sports narrative was “he tried the best he could to parry it to safety”
I have always maintained this guy did not deserve a new contract. He should have been benched at the start of season for Henderson. Even now if he starts another match, it will be a big joke.
True, but at least Allison’s all round game is decent. In truth the mistakes are the least of De Gea’s problems.
Care to show the stats instead of just guessing?
Not sure what you mean by that. His distribution could be better at times, but I´ve never seen him as bad as Allison today. And there are very few keepers that can do the saves De Gea does.
This PL season, according to OPTA.
Errors leading to chances: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 0.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 1.
Total errors: Alison 4, Ederson 2, De Gea 1.
Since the 18/19 PL season, according to OPTA.
Errors leading to chances: Alison 7, Ederson 6, De Gea 1.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 6, Ederson 4, De Gea 8.
Total errors: Alison 13, Ederson 10, De Gea 9.
De Gea is a problem for us, no doubt. But the extent to which he makes errors has been exaggerated when compared to two supposed best goalkeepers.
Note: Also worth mentioning that Alison had stints out injured in that time, so made those errors in fewer minutes. And in the 17/18 season (which I didn't include because Alison wasn't around) Ederson had 6 errors to De Gea's 3.
Errors leading to chances: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 0.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 1.
Total errors: Alison 4, Ederson 2, De Gea 1.
Since the 18/19 PL season, according to OPTA.
Errors leading to chances: Alison 7, Ederson 6, De Gea 1.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 6, Ederson 4, De Gea 8.
Total errors: Alison 13, Ederson 10, De Gea 9.
De Gea is a problem for us, no doubt. But the extent to which he makes errors has been exaggerated when compared to two supposed best goalkeepers.
Note: Also worth mentioning that Alison had stints out injured in that time, so made those errors in fewer minutes. And in the 17/18 season (which I didn't include because Alison wasn't around) Ederson had 6 errors to De Gea's 3.
Alisson's only had two good seasons in his career, and they weren't as good as De Gea's peak.
These stats might change overnight after today's games, but as of this morning, out of the first choice goalkeepers in the league, De Gea is
- 15th out of 20 at shot stopping (PSxG+/-)
- 18th out of 20 at sweeping (coming out early)
- 19th out of 20 at taking crosses
Alisson is 7th best at shot stopping, 1st at sweeping up and 5th best at dealing with crosses. So not the best keeper in the league by any means, but still decent. Top 5 for sure.
De Gea hasnt done a lot of clear cut errors this season, like last year, but there are a lot of situations where he should be doing more. The first and the third goal yesterday are 2 examples of it. Both not 100% errors like Alisson today, but it isnt good enough though.
And if you look at shots saved, he is woeful. Ederson and Alisson made more clear cut mistakes this season, but they save more in general. De Gea was better there previously with more errors, but is now slacking in general with less errors. He is just not good enough.
I'd love to sit here and list his whole list of howlers since the famous spilt goal against Portugal at the 2018 World Cup but there have been that many I've actually forgotten the majority.
The main issue is what effect its having on the rest of the team, how many apologies can they accept from him, assuming he apologises each time he drops a clanger.
If you were one of the team you'd be seriously calling him out and questioning the manager on why he still holds a place in the line up.
You'd also imagine Henderson would be asking questions about whether it's time for him to be getting a chance in the starting eleven and if not then how will he ever get a shot if De Gea can make blunder after blunder and still hold his place.
The main issue is what effect its having on the rest of the team, how many apologies can they accept from him, assuming he apologises each time he drops a clanger.
If you were one of the team you'd be seriously calling him out and questioning the manager on why he still holds a place in the line up.
You'd also imagine Henderson would be asking questions about whether it's time for him to be getting a chance in the starting eleven and if not then how will he ever get a shot if De Gea can make blunder after blunder and still hold his place.
I'm pretty sure the first goal yesterday was counted as an error for De Gea.
Agree generally though, De Gea has been mediocre this season generally. I was just pointing out that the errors specifically are exaggerated, or perhaps underplayed when it comes to Ederson and Alison. And perhaps De Gea was unlucky over the last few years in that nearly every error he made resulted in a goal while they got away with a bigger percentage of theirs.
I felt he could have done a lot better for both goals yesterday, the 1st is criminal and the second you have to be brave there.
Also his clearance from the back pass in the lead up to the Sheffield Utd winner was awful as well he just side footed it out the area I know he couldn't launch it up thr pitch but he could have cleared it a lot better than he did.
Also his clearance from the back pass in the lead up to the Sheffield Utd winner was awful as well he just side footed it out the area I know he couldn't launch it up thr pitch but he could have cleared it a lot better than he did.
Allison just made the same error DDG did, yet the Sky Sports narrative was “he tried the best he could to parry it to safety”
Alisson was a one-handed save at full (semi at worst) stretch. Can’t hold the ball in that case but just hope your defenders can help you out like Jones did when De Gea saved with his feet a few years back at Anfield. De Gea got two hands to a cross not on target, didn’t hold it but instead actually made it easier for the opposition to score.
Conceding 3 from 3 on target is never good. Its all too common with Dave recently.
Time to give Hendo a run. He has looked eartic too but he only gets to play a game a month. Least he attempts to command his box.
Time to give Hendo a run. He has looked eartic too but he only gets to play a game a month. Least he attempts to command his box.
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