I thought that at the time. An aspect of his game he can improve on.
His kicking has been awful today too. Even great players have bad days.
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I thought that at the time. An aspect of his game he can improve on.
His kicking has been awful today too. Even great players have bad days.
Best shotstopper ever probably but boy sometimes I wish we had Schmeichel to come out and command the areas on crosses and long balls. De gea is always backing and it is starting to annoy me slightly.
Had he retained his original position when the cross came in, he would have barely needed to move to catch the ball. Horrendous error, especially with Smalling injured.
Poor from him. Really poor. A lack of a leader at the back.
He's been annoying on high balls in last couple of games. Thought he might have come out for one of City goals too. It's definitely still the weakest part of his game.
Should have came out flying to collect it, sometimes he's really glued to the line and can't help himself.
He needs to be more commanding in the box. Though his shot stopping is next to none, his leadership skills are very poor. Thats where Neuer will trump him
Should have come out for the 2nd as well?
He is the best shot stopper but lacks the command elsewhere.
He is the best shot stopper but lacks the command elsewhere.
Somewhat challenging to come out when a ball is played in from open play with swerve to back post equal or beyond, but the ball was played with enough height & was played at such an angle that DDG was able to start out further off the near post that he should have made an attempt at it. He probably was even able to see a bit of the Leicester player out of his periphery. As a keeper, you are always trusting that your outside back or outside midfielder is tracking back to put a body on the furthest attacker, but at that time of the game, with one of your CBs hobbled, you command your area and get some contact on the ball with your hands somehow.
Maguire also struck the shot well inside the goal box. A keeper of DDG's standards should be controlling the goal box at minimum.
Difficult for me to fault DDG as I have been a huge supporter of his since his arrival, but he let the team down by not making an attempt on the ball.
Maguire also struck the shot well inside the goal box. A keeper of DDG's standards should be controlling the goal box at minimum.
Difficult for me to fault DDG as I have been a huge supporter of his since his arrival, but he let the team down by not making an attempt on the ball.
He's an incredible shot stopper, but I do think at times, he could be more commanding in coming out for the ball.
That said, I've not seen the 2nd goal again, so I don't know if it was partially his fault.
That said, I've not seen the 2nd goal again, so I don't know if it was partially his fault.
Should? He DEFINITELY should have come out for the second. People are moaning in Smalling's thread when there should be no doubt that DDG should have plucked that easily. It's terrible, terrible goalkeeping.
He probably should have come out for both balls really yeah first one would have been a risk but he probably gets there, 2nd one all day long he should be taking that. Smalling even puts out his arms like he is expecting Dave to come for that and he’s right that should have been an easy take for Dave. Unusually poor decision making from him,
The really annoying part is people are having a serious meltdown in Smalling's thread about both goals whereas for the first one, he was the only one doing his job (well,Young's), and then for the second, DDG should have come out and easily plucked the ball for the second. However, there seems to be a law that DDG is beyond criticism, which is completely BS.
Not quite sure about that. DDG is the best shot stopper in the world, bar none. However, when it comes to commanding the box and dealing with high balls/crosses, he has a long way to go. He also had some questionable distribution today. I rated him 5, but in hindsight I think I was a little generous.
All that being said, the reason we lose today is because of the attackers.
De Gea has two big weaknesses. The first one is not coming out to challenge for the ball when needed. Both goals could've been avoided if he had come out. The second one is his long balls and his distribution from the back. I don't know if anyone has realised but it's the second or third time he has kicked straight to an opposition player in our own half in the last couple of games. He must be more accurate with these balls and not put the team under unessesary pressure. Shot stopping 10/10 for me but until he irons out these problems I don't think he will be recognized as the best GK in the world.
For sure think he should and can do better ruling the box but anything that close he is normally pretty decent at going and taking.
Is it just me or has he actually stopped leaving the goal line as much. I seem to remember him under SAF being a bit of a sweeper keeper and good with his feet. Part of the reason SAF bought him, however he never really seems to do that much anymore.
I went for a 4 but I normally start everyone on a 5 as average and go up or down depending on performance. Gave Rashford a 2 for example.
Definitely should've come out for the second goal to help Smalling.
He was worse for the 1st goal imo, he has to be up near the 18 yard line when that ball goes over the top, then it's a simple clearance. That ball travelled a long way before Mahrez got hold of it.
I remember how someone said in another thread that Neuer had apparently made almost twice as many mistakes as De Gea in the past few years. I argued that this is because Neuer takes more risks.
Although neither of the two goals De Gea conceded today will go down as mistakes, Neuer would have prevented both of them.
This doesn’t mean that DDG isn’t a great goalkeeper, he clearly is. But he’s more of a reflex goalkeeper (like Casillas) and not a goalkeeper who dominates his box (Schmeichel, Buffon, Neuer).
Although neither of the two goals De Gea conceded today will go down as mistakes, Neuer would have prevented both of them.
This doesn’t mean that DDG isn’t a great goalkeeper, he clearly is. But he’s more of a reflex goalkeeper (like Casillas) and not a goalkeeper who dominates his box (Schmeichel, Buffon, Neuer).
I can only echo previous posts. His major deficiency means that he is not in the same class as Schmikes.
There was one point during sky's analysis where they said Ederson would've saved that. The caf must've been hurting inside.
Really poor from him last night. Glued to his line and awful distribution.
Huge part of the caf is in love with City. Probably got butterflies hearing Ederson's name.
Specially considering that keepers get ridiculous protection from referees these days. It's something he has to work on indeed.
He’s been a fabulous buy to be fair
Spot on and that’s why it was strange not to see Smalling and Jones (two elder statesmen) push us up a yard or two outside the 18. That line cost us points along with our inability to kill an easy game off.
Im going to say that, and Im not taking a dig at DDG cause I still think he is a fabulous GK and we are lucky to have him. But the best GK in the world should have learned in 7 years how to come and stop crosses and high balls in a league full of long balls. He learned nothing in 7 years in that aspect and its strange.
DDG is not perfect and should add new strings to his bow.
But...he is the difference between 2nd and 5th. Had Liverpool had DDG, they will be 2nd. It's that simple.
But...he is the difference between 2nd and 5th. Had Liverpool had DDG, they will be 2nd. It's that simple.
Best shot stopper ive ever seen. But it frustrates me when he backs of crosses the way he does. Clearly De gea must see smalling was injured and be ready to come catch that ball. Especially as it was so close to his original starting position. Even our Best players shouldn't be immune to criticism.
This is why DDG might never be an undisputed number 1 in the world. Like @Infordin says, he's more of a reflex GK than a commander of his box.
As a tentative defence, I don't suppose he knows Smalling is going to let the ball float over his head until it actually happens. But it travels so far & Maguire sidefoots it in, 
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Our GK does NOT come for crosses, that's a fact. Can be a kind of OK arrangement, everyone knows the way things are, but sometimes...
.Our GK does NOT come for crosses, that's a fact. Can be a kind of OK arrangement, everyone knows the way things are, but sometimes...
Could it be a tactical instruction that De Gea does not come out?
It's just my personal hypothesis, but possibly due to his incredible reflexes and the fact that the team as a defensive unit normally plays deep when the opposition gets to put the pressure on, DDG very rarely has to handle such situations and that kind of lack of experience causes reluctance in making the right decision when it comes to that.
I have seen him make wonderful touches and passes under pressure, I don't believe there is a weakness there compared to even someone like Ederson. City's goalie just gets to practice that stuff more in training since it's part of the game-plan so it's done in a structural order and makes it less likely to commit mistakes.
It's just my personal hypothesis, but possibly due to his incredible reflexes and the fact that the team as a defensive unit normally plays deep when the opposition gets to put the pressure on, DDG very rarely has to handle such situations and that kind of lack of experience causes reluctance in making the right decision when it comes to that.
I have seen him make wonderful touches and passes under pressure, I don't believe there is a weakness there compared to even someone like Ederson. City's goalie just gets to practice that stuff more in training since it's part of the game-plan so it's done in a structural order and makes it less likely to commit mistakes.
As another commenter posted, DDG's distribution has at times not been great. In fact many a times when the ball is passed back and he needs to get the ball up field, his kick hasn't been convincing or not very accurate. Not sure if this was happening last season, but it has happened a number of times this season.
Don't get me wrong he is an exceptional GK, but he can still improve and should.
Don't get me wrong he is an exceptional GK, but he can still improve and should.
Jeeez i must say i'm a little bit surprised at the stick DDG is getting on here after 1 error. Flog him off to Madrid so as soon as January comes round?
We had a disappointing result. Therefore he's gone from the best keeper in the world to a decent shot stopper but weak in the air, lacking in confidence, not a leader and probably a crap shag too. The old adage that you're only as good as your last game is quite literally how people think these days.
Such criticism comes with the position, especially at a club like ours. DDG's obvious qualities aren't lessened in any way after the match, but if he had made contact with the crossed ball with just one hand, we would have secured an important win, there's just no way around that.
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We need someone to teach him how to leave the goalline
He's the main reason we look so vulnerable in defending set pieces.
We need to remember that without him, the team would have been in mid-table in the last 4 seasons. He is the last player I would blame for our current state, literally.
We really don't need to start complaining about one of our best players. Yes it'd be ideal if he was more commanding, but he isn't. He's the absolute best at what he does do.
What we need is a leader and organiser there, someone utterly dominant in the air. Vidic/Rio type.
We had 4 leaders in our back five when we won the CL in 08. Now we don't have any.
What we need is a leader and organiser there, someone utterly dominant in the air. Vidic/Rio type.
We had 4 leaders in our back five when we won the CL in 08. Now we don't have any.
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