You're making a claim, I'm asking you to prove it. Which half decent shots would another keeper have saved?
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You're making a claim, I'm asking you to prove it. Which half decent shots would another keeper have saved?
Gripes I have with DDG...
in possession he is so poor.. I rarely see him play out the ball with confidence. Take a risk ffs, just hits it long and we end up facing another attack. One v ones, someone mentioned it but you don't get the feeling he's gonna best the striker and be really hard to get past. Penalties.. no presence whatsoever. Communication? where is the leadership, command that backline.. position them, does he have Van der Sar's tactical awareness?
Needs to up his game - can't rest on his laurels just cause the rest of the team is poor.
in possession he is so poor.. I rarely see him play out the ball with confidence. Take a risk ffs, just hits it long and we end up facing another attack. One v ones, someone mentioned it but you don't get the feeling he's gonna best the striker and be really hard to get past. Penalties.. no presence whatsoever. Communication? where is the leadership, command that backline.. position them, does he have Van der Sar's tactical awareness?
Needs to up his game - can't rest on his laurels just cause the rest of the team is poor.
Which one should he save? It's not like Leicester had tons of chances. He had pretty much nothing to do 60-70 minutes and then we went completely bananas and he was in situations where a goalkeeper has barely a chance if the attacking player does most things right.
It doesnt even try. What the hell does that mean. Noone of you criticising him has elaborated which goals he could have saved. 2 pens, one free header, one free shot and a 1 on 1 situation. Maybe that 1 on 1 situation and that's about it.
Oh dear, DDG was brilliant last season. Ok, he hasn't started this season in great form but with that shambles of a defence in front of him, it can't be easy.
Wow, how is he getting blamed?
I'm done. THere are some lunatics in here it seems. Suddenly it's his fault he cant command this defense and he 'doesnt even try' whatever the hell that means...
My god.. I'm off this forum for a week. Cant stand this much of stupidity.
My god.. I'm off this forum for a week. Cant stand this much of stupidity.
He stayed on his line to make the 1v1 save, and the shot was too clinical. If he had dashed forward and gotten rounded or dinked he would also get crap for it. So no, that's not a good example of De Gea not trying or being at fault.
it has not just to do with the goals, it is his whole presence and nervousness. Never was a big fan and never will be. he is a favourite on here like Rafael, not for me. His anticipation is not there, he never saves a penalty. Comparing him to great keepers, he is good but not class. Neuer saves the unsavables just like Courtois. de Gea laways lets the 1vs 1 in. Has he saved one this season?
I agree, not much he could do about any of the goals, still last season and the season before I would say he could have stopped at least one...
Wait, so in possession what is he meant to do with it? Run with it? Pass it to one of our 'defenders' ? Nobody's making himself available for the ball and when they do, they usually hoof it themselves unless Blind clocks in to get it. You're right about commanding or VDS's presence, he doesn't have it and we'll have to deal with it by buying defenders who're not brainless zombies.
I was surprised to see this thread was even being repeatedly bumped. DDG is the least of my worries after the way we capitulated after the penalty.
Yes, because he should be saving penalties and mistakes from our defenders which leave 1 on 1s and pot shots from 8 yards out.
It's actually quite embarrassing. Yes, de Gea should get flak if he doesn't make some saves, but today's were ridiculous to criticize him on.
I am not saying he is at fault. I am just saying he COULD have came off his line rather than standing there. it was probably going in either way.
He shouldn't be blamed.
He's not like VDS though. Who would be shouting at Rafael or Evans to mark the only Leicester player for the first goal. We need a leader at the back.
He's not like VDS though. Who would be shouting at Rafael or Evans to mark the only Leicester player for the first goal. We need a leader at the back.
No he hasn't, but I am pretty sure van der Sar hasn't it too in DDG's age. I agree on the confidence factor, but it's really not easy if you conceding tons of goals every game without doing anything wrong, our defence doesn't give him any support and like last season it is expected that he will save us because our defence is not able to stop the attacking opponents anyway.
Some of the posts in here are hilarious ffs what more could he really do when our defense is a shambles in front of him? He's 23 and already one of the best keepers around and one of the only positives from last season too. If he let in some easy goals or something then yeah, call him out for it, but when there's next to nothing he can do about the goals it's baffling how he gets any of the blame.
On the whole, he definitely has looked a bit off his game lately. I'm not sure if it's perhaps a very different defence in front of him though which won't be instilling a lot of confidence in him with it's performances. Hopefully it's just a temporary thing, as opposed to something more long-term like we've seen with Hart who's a shadow of the GK he was a couple of years ago.
Some of today's criticism on him has been harsh though.
Some of today's criticism on him has been harsh though.
I also say he isnt at fault, but its just likes he doesnt even try. You cant say a keeper is at fault when a 1 vs 1 scores, but you can try something, or make it at least hard for the attacker.
He is least of our worries. But I am wondering if amidst all the possession training the staff is still working on shot stopping, etc. or not? Coaching of defense and gk needs to improve!
Then why are we talking about it? Either he's preventing goals or he's not. Not sure what else is relevant in this discussion.
Penalties are a lottery most times. A save is a bonus not a requirement.
Off the top of my head I don't know, but it's not something I consider to be an issue. And 1 vs 1s are more about the strikers than the keepers; a keeper only stands a chance if the shot is savable. If it's not (and today it wasn't) then the keeper isn't at fault.
Not sure you're allowed to bring firearms into stadium, plus where would he fit it in?
He needs to pass it to them, if they feck up - so be it. Many times they are completely open and he refuses to pass to them and prefers to punt it and even then a lot of his punts go out of play. If someone like Mignolet can pass the ball out from the back, I'm sure De Gea is capable of it. He is the type who looks very technically gifted, because he is young and athletic.. but in terms of his efficiency on the ball, I think it is poor. He needs to be like a backboard to this team, when ever it goes back to him it needs to be recycled and another attack begins.. instead alot of our possession breaks down.
This is so wrong on so many levels.
i dont say he is a bad keeper, not as good as people think on here.
So it appears people are blaming him for conceding 5 goals even though there was nothing he could have done about any of them. The general consensus is that he needs to dive more! 
So what would people be happy if when the ball flies past him he just does a token dive or something?! Can only assume that those criticising him are either 12 years of age or know nothing about football.
So what would people be happy if when the ball flies past him he just does a token dive or something?! Can only assume that those criticising him are either 12 years of age or know nothing about football.Maybe, but the only reason why we expect from him to do those saves is because he was so good the last 2 seasons. But we really shouldn't hope that he will do wondersaves every season and try to use a defence in front of him. The goalkeeper is a poor guy if your team gets overrun every minute.
What is wrong is that people label him world class.
1 v 1.. you can manage the situation, push the striker into making a certain shot etc. Research by the keeper of who he is up against can be very important, but this is the least of his worries at the moment.. tactical awareness would be my main concern at the moment.
I think David is suffering from having his goalkeeping coach changed yet again. He needs continuity. He was playing really well and his training methods have been disrupted. The goalkeeper to me is the most important position. He has been messed about to much.
Coming off his line just increases the possibility of betting lobbed or rounded. And he's not just "standing there", he just knew that there was no point diving once the shot was past him. If the shot is clinical enough, there's literally nothing the keeper could do. Diving for the sake of diving increases his chances of saving by exactly 0%.
I agree that you can manage the situation but there wasn't anything he could for the 4th goal today except rush forward. I'm not saying he's perfect or the best in the world, I'm just saying that there was nothing he could do about the 5 today.
That term is such tripe that I would not even bother discussing it. But to only label him as "good" isn't right, where he won the player of the year award because he got us out of so much shit. Short term revisionism I feel.
No, Neuer dives around and rarley gets lobbed. Last game the keeper went staight from his line and saved Falcaos shot. If he stayed on the line his chances would be worse. Waiting there and giving the player 10 seconds to shoot and pick a spot isnt the solution either.
To be honest, my concerns are general long term ones I have had for a while rather than anything specifically related to this game. DDG is not to blame for the defeat - far from it, I'm just making points which I hope he improves on for his sake as well as ours.
You cant judge a player from last year. we finished 7th, he was the best of the rest. But comparing him to world class keepers is nonsense too.
The situation to save Falcao's shot and the one today couldn't be more different. The angle, the defenders in the area, the space before the attacker receives the ball all factor into the whether or not you should smother, and none of those factors were the same for those two examples.
And how are you judging the other goalies then, from 4 matches this season? This is baffling to be honest.
One of my favourites, but he should try saving a pen. for a change. He's zero threat to the pen. takers. It did look like he could have done little to nothing about the rest of the goals, though.
Some of your opinions of DDG have actually cheered me up. Shifting blame on him after a game like today