Vermeer has stopped 7 of the last 7 penalties against him, he is the one who would.
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Yeah but you said de Gea went from 2nd keeper to Cillessen in this thread. And thats not the case.
Regardless of if he could/should be saving penalties or not my main gripe on DDG, as Pogue mentioned, is... is it unfair for us to ask a tagged "Special Player" to pull off something.. actually special once in a while? other than the most routine stops that any keeper in any professional league should be collecting, he's not been close to much as of late, particuarly for his certified "shotstopper" tag.
While he seems far more comfortable between our sticks than before, yes I'm well aware, for me, and perhaps some others.. he still seems to find safety the closer he is to his goalline, he doesn't come out to claim very much and attempt to relieve pressure on our defense either despite bulking up and a year or so back and showing promise this aspect of his game would progress further.
The one time that springs to mind where he didn't have to go for a ball, but came off his goaline and showed some bollocks, was against QPR, which he fecked up royally after calling out to Rojo and then not getting there.
Do I think he's garbage, no, do I blame him above others for the 5 conceeded against Leicester, again no, of course not, but I can't help but feel he could be doing better right now to claim the "special player", "best keeper in the PL", "best young keeper in the world" labels he's afforded almost as a given on here.
The other issue I believe is our unsettled back four is a legitimate point, yet It shouldn't automatically absolve DDG so much so that we can't even discuss him on here, otherwise we risk the "Kagawa excuse" once again.. "It's not his fault! it's everyone else around him!"
While he seems far more comfortable between our sticks than before, yes I'm well aware, for me, and perhaps some others.. he still seems to find safety the closer he is to his goalline, he doesn't come out to claim very much and attempt to relieve pressure on our defense either despite bulking up and a year or so back and showing promise this aspect of his game would progress further.
The one time that springs to mind where he didn't have to go for a ball, but came off his goaline and showed some bollocks, was against QPR, which he fecked up royally after calling out to Rojo and then not getting there.
Do I think he's garbage, no, do I blame him above others for the 5 conceeded against Leicester, again no, of course not, but I can't help but feel he could be doing better right now to claim the "special player", "best keeper in the PL", "best young keeper in the world" labels he's afforded almost as a given on here.
The other issue I believe is our unsettled back four is a legitimate point, yet It shouldn't automatically absolve DDG so much so that we can't even discuss him on here, otherwise we risk the "Kagawa excuse" once again.. "It's not his fault! it's everyone else around him!"
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Well having 3 different coaches in 3 seasons hasn't done him any good..
I don't know but these days it's like any shot on target goes in. I hate how he just stands and watches the ball as it goes into the net. Atleast make an attempt.
Wouldn't be the first keeper at a big club to have to cope with that.
True but still young and not the complete package so could be harder than for Cech for example..
Whatever about any of the other goals suggesting he even had a slight chance of saving Cambiasso's goal is simply ludicrous. No keeper, no matter how "special", would have saved that.
At the rate things are going people are going to start blaming him for chances missed up the other end! There's only so much the man can do. People have every right to criticise him if they feel he could do better but at least try to make a reasonable argument.
It's a difficult one with De Gea at the minute because if you individually look at the goals he's conceded it's not like any were really his fault or that he absolutely should have saved them, bar one against MK Dons I think.
It's just that I think he's a fine keeper and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to make a great save every now and then. I'll admit I'm starting to get annoyed by the fact that it feels like everybody scores with their first shot against us. It's probably a little harsh because we're criticising him for not making wonder saves but I think it's a compliment to him that we expect that.
He's been average this season but he's the least of our issues.
It's just that I think he's a fine keeper and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to make a great save every now and then. I'll admit I'm starting to get annoyed by the fact that it feels like everybody scores with their first shot against us. It's probably a little harsh because we're criticising him for not making wonder saves but I think it's a compliment to him that we expect that.
He's been average this season but he's the least of our issues.
Maybe the fact that many believe he was helpless in all five goals is a clear indication of mispositioning. If he had positioned himself better in goal, he could've helped himself in his attempts to make a save.
De Gea is quality, he's just playing with a bunch of clowns infront of him.
I wonder if all that agenting in the summer hindered his pre-season training.
In all seriousness though, I haven't felt as confident in him this season so far. I don't recall him actually saving anything against Leicester. Not saying that he should definitely have saved any of the goals - Cambiasso's was probably the most saveable, but he did have bodies in front of him,so to criticise him for that would be harsh.
In all seriousness though, I haven't felt as confident in him this season so far. I don't recall him actually saving anything against Leicester. Not saying that he should definitely have saved any of the goals - Cambiasso's was probably the most saveable, but he did have bodies in front of him,so to criticise him for that would be harsh.
The thing with De Gea so far this season is that if you watch every goal he's conceded individually you can excuse him not saving 99% of them but when you look at them in context you can't help but think that a stopper of his quality should've been able to pull some magic out of the bag for at least a couple of them.
That's actually quite interesting. I have always had a nagging suspicion that he doesn't do enough on one on ones but always just put it down to me being a bit paranoid as I've never really seen it get a mention.
Interestingly (kinda), Chelsea have not changed goalkeeping coach since 2007, when they appointed the bloke who was Cechs coach at Rennes.
He was v good but not brilliant. The rest of the team was just shit
He doesn't communicate enough after 3 years as our main goalie. He should know enough English by now so it can't be that. He might still be deferring to senior players but he has to take the bull by the horns. Given the CBs keep changing he has to step up to the plate. Even if you feel he was brilliant last year he hasn't produced that form this season so far.
I also agree with an earlier poster - he needs to actually attempt to save more shots. Doesn't matter if they score - if you don't actually try you can't save them. Too many shots find him rooted to the spot staring behind him as the net ripples - he's only going down for save she already knows he will reach. 2 years ago he would attempt the save anyway, and (in my opinion of course) that's how he managed to pull off quite a few world class saves since he's been with us e.g. the Mata free kick.
I think his confidence has been knocked by Moyes' tenure and he hasn't found it back yet. He doesn't even spread himself (aka "make himself BIG") in 1 on 1 situations to attempt to make the attacker panic.
Penalties is another issue and not one I would pin on him. Only the best save penalties and even then it's not a regular occurrence unless you're Taffarel! Saving those it's a technique you get from experience e.g. learning to read a striker's intent based on your knowledge of him.. half of which you're possibly getting from notes from the coaches. It's not a big issue, but he needs to step up in the other departments i.e. organisation, reaction time.
He's still the right goalie imo and can be world class but he's going to have to get over this hump and learn to organise a defence - being the only constant factor he has to learn this so that it lessens the impact of our revolving CB policies! You hope this gk coach who taught VDS everything he knows will do the same for him.
He's just stumbled a bit I think, with regards to his form. Needs to keep a couple of clean-sheets in a row and not making any nervy mistakes (like the QPR game).
Just read the arguments coming from the Rooney thread (cannot see the videos - in office).
You have a fair point there.. However, I would give DDG the benefit of the doubt for he would have been a little wary of a foul outside the box/red card which would have been disastrous. Besides, if you remember, he did come out of the box in the last game to make a clearance so I'd not call him "not the bravest". Of course, that effort being a feck up would have made him wary of coming out of the box again. That said, where your argument is valid is him taking those 2-3 steps towards the line.
Youve got to go in on your striker, if he has breached the back line and is one on with you, you have to be on him and close those angles down.
Yes he still has a good chance of scoring, but if you just stand there like a lemon and do nothing, then you have even more of a chance of being beaten.
You have to command your area, you have to put yourself on the line, you have to close the angles, you have to bully your own defenders, you have to be on your toes for 90 minutes of potentially doing feck all else other than being on your toes, countless "excellent shot stoppers" have fallen by the wayside because they do not get the fundamentals right.
Yes he still has a good chance of scoring, but if you just stand there like a lemon and do nothing, then you have even more of a chance of being beaten.
You have to command your area, you have to put yourself on the line, you have to close the angles, you have to bully your own defenders, you have to be on your toes for 90 minutes of potentially doing feck all else other than being on your toes, countless "excellent shot stoppers" have fallen by the wayside because they do not get the fundamentals right.
Some of the criticisms of him have been over the top. However, I do feel he lacks that aura and stature when it comes to 1 on 1 and penalties. His reflexes and reactionary saves are top notch though. I am not saying he is hapless when it comes to one-on-ones (remember his Suarez save) and penalties, it's just that against certain keepers you get the feeling of the onus being on the striker to somehow beat the keeper instead of how the keeper can miraculously keep out the shot from the striker. Certain keepers such as Kahn, Schemeichel, Buffon and Neuer had this aura of invincibility around them and you'd fancy them in one on ones more often than not.
De Gea is yet to have that commanding nature and aura even when he was at his best last season, whether that is due to his lack of size or dominating mentality, I am not sure. I just don't think it's fair for us to expect him to morph into Schmeichel MK II. He can perform better right now but I won't call him a one-on-one specialist and would expect him to concede most of it, just like most keepers do. It is the defenders' job to restrict the number of one-on-ones and penalties tha their keeper faces.
De Gea is yet to have that commanding nature and aura even when he was at his best last season, whether that is due to his lack of size or dominating mentality, I am not sure. I just don't think it's fair for us to expect him to morph into Schmeichel MK II. He can perform better right now but I won't call him a one-on-one specialist and would expect him to concede most of it, just like most keepers do. It is the defenders' job to restrict the number of one-on-ones and penalties tha their keeper faces.
This thread needs a re-name to something about being camped in his own 6 yard box. I have never seen a keeper literally not want to come out and sweep up attacks. Do we think that this is a coached tactic? Or his own little gremlin?
It's just a strange thing. A 'new generational' thing possibly?
It's just a strange thing. A 'new generational' thing possibly?
He tried it against QPR and it almost resulted in a goal. Also if you look at the league there are a few 'keepers who do it and cost their team goals. Mignolet has done it twice this year, Joe Hart has had problems with it. Lloris seemed to rush out often last season and I am not sure how successful he was (got knocked out badly once). I don't think De Gea has the confidence or bravery for it yet. It'll come though, he's still young.
Yeah, it's fair enough @ZDwyr I am not having a go at him. It's almost a foible that you come to realize through repetitive watching of United 'hey.. this is something DDG does.. Hmm, that is a bit weird that I noticed that? There must be more to it..' I actually noticed it about 3/4 through his first season. I hypothesize that in that little period where he was struggling with communication and the strength and bravery, someone has said to him. "Look - don't come out of your six yard box unless you absolutely have to.. Also if Vidic/Rio is anywhere near the ball, let them have it. Blanket rule."
Takes away a little bit of his dynamism. But I think someone said above; his distribution really has gone down hill of late now that it has been mentioned.
Takes away a little bit of his dynamism. But I think someone said above; his distribution really has gone down hill of late now that it has been mentioned.
Sounds like a confidence thing to me. Keepers rushing out are obviously taking a big gamble, and can be made to look like quite the fool when it inevitably doesn't pay off.
I know it's easier to say it from the armchair but I would much rather my keeper rush out and be beaten one on one than be beaten like that. But as I said, from the armchair. I've played in goals a few times and early on in my piece I rushed out so far that the guy just turned to the left and slotted it and I looked back and was literally facing the dugout at halfway thinking my net was directly behind me. Weird feeling.
His problem is lack of physical presence simply. He isn't tall like a Cech or Van Der Saar or as wide and commanding like a Schmeichel and Courtois and he seems bit scared of coming out and commanding his box aerially or charging for shots and making himself big where he could get hurt.
These aren't obvious mistakes that some can pick out and laugh at so he gets away with it mostly but as Pogue pointed out other top keepers like Courtois do this kind of stuff.
These aren't obvious mistakes that some can pick out and laugh at so he gets away with it mostly but as Pogue pointed out other top keepers like Courtois do this kind of stuff.
Man Utd 2:1 West Ham
*sigh*
We need him to start performing sooner rather than later. If he doesn't, his position should be called into question.
If he trusts that we have defenders capable of dealing with situations then he wouldn't come for that and the goal isn't conceded.
Sadly we've not had a trustworthy defence for most of his career at United.
Sadly we've not had a trustworthy defence for most of his career at United.
I'm sorry but I'm not having that. That mistake was 100% De Gea.
People forget how young DDG is. He will make mistakes and of course with the defensive changes he will be a bit more on edge. He'll settle down eventually.
Rubbish. Claiming the ball is part and parcel of any keeper's job. He fecked up, and not for the first time this season.
He's become shiite this season, might not be a bad idea to drop him for a few games.
It was, I'm not debating that.
I'm just suggesting why he felt the need to come out. He doesn't trust anyone in front of him so feels he needs to deal with it himself and therefore cocks up massively.
Should have done much better. Questions have to be asked how a West Ham player had all the time in the world in our 6 yard box though.
Did he ever have periods with Atleti when he was out of form?
Too timid, he's a baby goalkeeping wise but why he doesn't take charge of situations more baffles me. Take one-on-ones for instance, he's always rooted to his line. He'll adapt but I'd like to see him take a leaf out of Neuer's book and considering he's good on the ball that shouldn't be too much of a leap.
100% his mistake, but his confidence is shattered. Doesn't have that assurance about him.