Darwin Núñez / signs for Liverpool

[Kush]

Hope we steer clear, especially at those prices. Let him have another season like this and then we can re-assess next summer. He is vastly vastly over-performing his underlying numbers. We are not in CL next-season, so I don't think a striker is a huge priority.

Plus, we don't need another fecking player who likes to play on the left and drift in.

 

[Judas]

Hope we steer clear, especially at those prices. Let him have another season like this and then we can re-assess next summer. He is vastly vastly over-performing his underlying numbers. We are not in CL next-season, so I don't think a striker is a huge priority.

Plus, we don't need another fecking player who likes to play on the left and drift in.

I suppose the issue with this is, if he repeats his form, the price increases more and even more clubs become interested.

I personally think it's a very expensive punt.

 

[Poborsky's hair]

I have no idea how good this player, granted I have seen only the highlight reel on YT but Benfica surely know how to drive the prices up for their players. There are many Gaitans and even overpriced players like Joao Felixes to avoid..

Some people do like he's the only striker in the market we should be after, with 75 mil pricetag for an unproven raw striker, from a club who certainly n
know how to sell players, it seems quite steep to me..

 

[Mcking]

But I told you Bruno is not winger, Salah is a winger. He is playmaker just like Zidane and Iniesta. Neither Zidane and Iniesta are wingers too just like Bruno. So your comparison with Salah makes zero sense. The comparison Bruno with Zidane and Iniesta make more sense because they play as advanced playmaker.

However, if you are arguing can Salah be developed as playmaker if he was never developed to be wide forward, that’s another different argument.

Read this, written in wiki:
The most complete and versatile playmakers are often known as advanced playmakers, or free-role playmakers, as they can operate both in central, attacking midfield positions, and in wider positions on the wings. These offensive playmakers will often make incisive passes to the wingers or forwards, seeing them through on goal or to deliver killer crosses, as well as scoring goals themselves.

Does this sound like Bruno? To me yes.

Bruno is a wannabe playmaker, a hit and hope merchant. If Fred or Mctominay play hit and hope like Bruno does, they would be wannabe playmakers too.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

If Ten Hag wants him then get him.

 

[B20]

What you're describing is a latter part of his career Scholes, a Xavi, Modric type player you're right Bruno is nothing like them but then those players aren't really creators either which Bruno is

That would be a DLP in the mould of Pirlo, Xavi, Carrick. You're right, Bruno isn't that. But pure playmaker, that is the definition of what Bruno is.

I am also describing Zidane, Iniesta, Laudrup, Riquelme, Litmanen, Maradona, Deco, Veron, Modric and Totti.

For me the 'pure playmaker' has this quality.

Even Firmino (when he was good) is more of a playmaker than Fernandes in this sense.

 

[devilish]

I'd rather see us sign Nkunku then him.

 

[roonster09]

Bruno is a wannabe playmaker, a hit and hope merchant. If Fred or Mctominay play hit and hope like Bruno does, they would be wannabe playmakers too.

Nonsense.

 

[Wezzaldo]

Bruno is a wannabe playmaker, a hit and hope merchant. If Fred or Mctominay play hit and hope like Bruno does, they would be wannabe playmakers too.

Have to say these kind of posts makes me embarrassed to be a red.

People are so quick to turn on our players. Don’t get me wrong; the ones that put zero effort in deserve it. But c’mon, have you already forgotten that we were in a state of free fall when we signed Bruno? He almost single handedly saved us that season.

Yes he’s been poor this season, as has basically our entire team, but one thing is he gives it everything. So to be so quickly discarded as a valuable member of our team, and his contribution in goals and assists forgotten, disgusts me to be honest.

 

[Solius]

Bruno is a wannabe playmaker, a hit and hope merchant. If Fred or Mctominay play hit and hope like Bruno does, they would be wannabe playmakers too.

Imagine being this bad at understanding football.

 

[devilish]

Bruno is a wannabe playmaker, a hit and hope merchant. If Fred or Mctominay play hit and hope like Bruno does, they would be wannabe playmakers too.

This season Bruno scored 10 goals and made 14 assists in 44 games. If that's not an assist/goal machine then who is? Maybe we should stop expected 1-3 players to pick up the tab for the many serial bottlers and underperformers this squad is well stocked with

 

[Rocknrolla69er]

This season Bruno scored 10 goals and made 14 assists in 44 games. If that's not an assist/goal machine then who is? Maybe we should stop expected 1-3 players to pick up the tab for the many serial bottlers and underperformers this squad is well stocked with

Yeah hard to believe some people will say he's had a bad season, yet when you look at Pogbas goals and assists stats over the years which are way lower, they won't have a bad word said about him.

Funny old world

 

[Mainoldo]

Have to say these kind of posts makes me embarrassed to be a red.

People are so quick to turn on our players. Don’t get me wrong; the ones that put zero effort in deserve it. But c’mon, have you already forgotten that we were in a state of free fall when we signed Bruno? He almost single handedly saved us that season.

Yes he’s been poor this season, as has basically our entire team, but one thing is he gives it everything. So to be so quickly discarded as a valuable member of our team, and his contribution in goals and assists forgotten, disgusts me to be honest.

When you take the emotion out there is nothing wrong with what he is saying. Relatively players will hold value to fans at certain levels of our progressio. Bruno as good as his stats are is not elite nor world class. Neither will he ever be.

To stick to topic on Nunez we have to really access his faults as we need to get our future signings right and we need a striker who’s going to develop into a top 5 player. Will his technical ability prevent this? It hasn’t Salah but that’s because he has blistering pace and great end product. So maybe that’s what we are seeing here.

 

[Tavern in the town]

Bruno is a wannabe playmaker, a hit and hope merchant. If Fred or Mctominay play hit and hope like Bruno does, they would be wannabe playmakers too.

Interesting. I’m thinking of getting an agent and booking a few trials with a view to becoming a Premier League footballer. Can’t be that hard to boot the ball forward at every opportunity.

 

[Mainoldo]

Yeah hard to believe some people will say he's had a bad season, yet when you look at Pogbas goals and assists stats over the years which are way lower, they won't have a bad word said about him.

Funny old world

Mad enit. To think Bruno’s stats this season is better than Bernardo Silva.

I think we can all agree Bruno has had a better season.

 

[Solius]

Apparently McTominay could pull off the pass Bruno did to Ronaldo against Young Boys.

 

[devilish]

Yeah hard to believe some people will say he's had a bad season, yet when you look at Pogbas goals and assists stats over the years which are way lower, they won't have a bad word said about him.

Funny old world

We surround Bruno with overpriced donkeys most of whom are given a pass by the media because of their nationality and yet we expect Bruno to score hat tricks in every game

 

[romufc]

Bruno is a wannabe playmaker, a hit and hope merchant. If Fred or Mctominay play hit and hope like Bruno does, they would be wannabe playmakers too.

What? wannabe playmaker? I mean his stats speak for themselves. He has clearly shown he has quality?

Are people that blind? he obviously has quality but when the rest of the team including him are not in form, yet still producing decent numbers.

People need to get rid of recency bias.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Bruno is a wannabe playmaker, a hit and hope merchant. If Fred or Mctominay play hit and hope like Bruno does, they would be wannabe playmakers too.

Premier League Player Stats - Big Chances Created

2020/2021 - Bruno 1st in the league
2021/2022 - Bruno 4th in the league

Imagine how many he would create in a decent team.

 

[Rolaholic]

How did this become a Bruno thread?

 

[Rolaholic]

He's been rated as the most valuable player outside of Europe's top 5 leagues this week

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

How did this become a Bruno thread?

it was started by a poster who claimed that Bruno and Nunez can't play together in the same team and also can't be coached to play in the same team with a strange reason by saying that Bruno is a link-up player only not an actual playmaker so Bruno can't provide service to someone like Nunez, thus neither can get the best out of each other. I'm still shocked with the claim considering how many assists, xA, and chances created he produced that could benefit Nunez.

Premier League Player Stats - Big Chances Created

2020/2021 - Bruno 1st in the league
2021/2022 - Bruno 4th in the league

Imagine how many he would create in a decent team.

Have to say these kind of posts makes me embarrassed to be a red.

People are so quick to turn on our players. Don’t get me wrong; the ones that put zero effort in deserve it. But c’mon, have you already forgotten that we were in a state of free fall when we signed Bruno? He almost single handedly saved us that season.

Yes he’s been poor this season, as has basically our entire team, but one thing is he gives it everything. So to be so quickly discarded as a valuable member of our team, and his contribution in goals and assists forgotten, disgusts me to be honest.

Never mind decent team, he hasn't even play in a club that has top manager that can coach player. Imagine a player with technical ability, end product, and high work rate off the ball like Bruno is being coached properly.

 

[Archi]

When you take the emotion out there is nothing wrong with what he is saying. Relatively players will hold value to fans at certain levels of our progressio. Bruno as good as his stats are is not elite nor world class. Neither will he ever be.

To stick to topic on Nunez we have to really access his faults as we need to get our future signings right and we need a striker who’s going to develop into a top 5 player. Will his technical ability prevent this? It hasn’t Salah but that’s because he has blistering pace and great end product. So maybe that’s what we are seeing here.

What is wrong with Salah's technical ability? If Nunez has Salah's technical ability we should be all over him, no?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Mad enit. To think Bruno’s stats this season is better than Bernardo Silva.

I think we can all agree Bruno has had a better season.

Bernardo was crap at Portugal in the Euro last year, but top class in City team under Pep. if you think someone with lack of technical ability like Nunez but has end product and work rate can be coached under ETH, I don't know how someone with those two fundementals + technique can't be coached. A coaching from top manager on player that has technique, end product, and work rate like Bruno would help for sure.

 

[Mainoldo]

Bernardo was crap at Portugal in the Euro last year, but top class in City team under Pep. A coaching from top manager on player that has technique, end product, and work rate would help for sure.

Not really. Bernardo Silva looks better without Pep. Like most players of his ilk. Mahrez and Grealish included. But that’s for another debate.

So again I don’t agree with you. Also remember who played so badly they ended up getting dropped. I‘d say because of the dynamics of him and CR7 in the same team. But yet again that’s for another conversation I’m always willing to have.

 

[romufc]

I really hope we stay away from this signing. Purple patch, gained alot of traction.

Spending £60m on a unproven striker could be bad business considering we have alot of areas we need to fix.

We need to get the CM sorted out before we do anything else.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Not really. Bernardo Silva looks better without Pep. Like most players of his ilk. Mahrez and Grealish included. But that’s for another debate.

So again I don’t agree with you. Also remember who played so badly they ended up getting dropped. I‘d say because of the dynamics of him and CR7 in the same team. But yet again that’s for another conversation I’m always willing to have.

Bernardo was crap in the Euro last year, I don't know what you were on about. It's all about coaching by an actual proper manager not by Sporting Director or Ole/Carrick/McKenna. If a player with no technical gift like Haller can be coached then a player with technique, end product, and work rate like Bruno can still be coached to perform and provide lot of assists for Nunez or Ronaldo to score lot of goals.

 

[Mainoldo]

Bernardo was crap in the Euro last year, I don't know what you were on about. It's all about coaching by an actual proper manager not by Sporting Director or Ole/Carrick/McKenna. If a player with no technical gift like Haller can be coached then a player with technique, end product, and work rate like Bruno can still be coached to perform and provide lot of assists for Nunez or Ronaldo to score lot of goals.

Well on that note. Let’s just blow all our money and Rice and Nunez as ETH can coach the rest. I’m sure Maguire and AWB will improve just like Haller.

Summer window solved.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Well on that note. Let’s just blow all our money and Rice and Nunez as ETH can coach the rest. I’m sure Maguire and AWB will improve just like Haller.

Summer window solved.

Why are you comparing Ronaldo, Nunez, Bruno with Maguire and AWB? If a player has no end product, no technique, and can't defend, what the player is good at? Coaching good at nothing is less possible than coaching good at something. At least a player needs to be good at something to be coached to fit the system.

 

[Mainoldo]

Why are you comparing Ronaldo, Nunez, Bruno with Maguire and AWB? If a player has no end product, no technique, and can't defend, what the player is good at? Coaching good for nothing is less possible than coaching good for something. At least a player needs to be good for something to be coached to fit the system.

These are all Middle aged professional footballers. How much coaching you really think is going to improve them. Out if interest what player above 25 improves on their technical attributes. Arsene Wenger famously said after 15 you aren’t getting any technically better.

Can systems be put in place to hide certain player deficiencies? Yes I agree.

My whole point was that Bruno the football player doesn’t have the attributes to one succeed as a number 10 in a ETH system neither to succeed with Nunez as his striking partner.

What on earth does this have to do with coaching?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

These are all Middle aged professional footballers. How much coaching you really think is going to improve them. Out if interest what player above 25 improves on their technical attributes. Arsene Wenger famously said after 15 you aren’t getting any technically better.

Can systems be put in place to hide certain player deficiencies? Yes I agree.

My whole point was that Bruno the football player doesn’t have the attributes to one succeed as a number 10 in a ETH system neither to succeed with Nunez as his striking partner.

What on earth does this have to do with coaching?

Coaching these middle aged professional footballers is primary about coaching the players to play their strength into the system. This is why it's weird of you that you mention Bissaka for example because what is he good at other than tackling or the one v one defending situation? How is the manager going to coach the player for having good at tackling only to fit the system like how is only being good at tackling but shit on other defensive aspects will allow the player to at least replica of what Mazraoui does being good at his feet and progressive passing? There is unlikely chance of him to be successfully coached to fit his strength into the system.

In contrast from Bissaka and Mazraoui comparison, there is similarity in Nunez & Bruno with Haller & Tadic based on their strength, weakness, and stats. Here the following below:

What is Nunez good at? Off ball movement, aggressive, scoring goals, quick, good work rate but weak at hold up play. Why is being good at those means the manager can't coach Nunez's strength to fit into the system if ETH has shown that he was able to coach a player (Haller) with similar strength and weakness to fit into his system? If ETH only plays with false 9 then it makes sense to question Nunez ability to play as false 9 but ETH shows he also can play with more traditional no 9 that is not technically gifted with their hold up play.

What is Bruno good at? Good work rate to press, play key passess, through ball, capable to find his forward or see his forwards through on goal or even deliver killer crosses. These are what Antony, Ziyech and Tadic are good at and those strength allow Huntelaar and Haller to score lot of goals so how is the manager. If it could work, why can't it work with Bruno and Nunez or may be even Ronaldo if they are being coached the same way.

So here some stats to show their possession ability based on whoscored.com, had to use whoscored since fbref doesn't have eredivise stats:

Fact: Tadic (75.8%) at Eredivise this season has worse passing accuracy than Bruno (78.2%). Tadic this season has more unseccessful touch (2.8) than Bruno (1.1). Tadic this season has been dispossed (1.6) more than Bruno (1). Are you telling me that someone with better possession stats cannot be coached to play in possession team?

Fact: Nunez has 66.5% passing accuracy this season. Haller at Frankfurt and West Ham also have around 64-66% passing accuracy before he joined Ajax. This season Nunez (2) has less unseccessful touch than this season Haller (2.4). Nunez (0.9) also has less dispossessed per game than Haller (1.5). Somehow ETH knows how to coach this type of striker to fit him in to his system and play him with Tadic.

 

[roonster09]

Apparently McTominay could pull off the pass Bruno did to Ronaldo against Young Boys.

Ofcourse, all he had to do is hit and hope.

And also pray that he wouldn't twist his knee.

 

[Tarrou]

I'd rather see us sign Nkunku then him.

Same. Would much rather a player like Nkunku who is suited to a fluid front 3.

 

[Suedesi]

He's outstanding

 

[sglowrider]

Can we afford Darwin and Tchouameni in the same window plus a couple of other supporting casts?

 

[Red the Bear]

Any chance Madrid might go for him if the Mbappe deal doesn't take off?(assuming erling is City bound)

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Mo Salah is a striker. Don’t believe me ask Thiago.

Hope this helps. He’s a winger even according to Salah himself. A striker is like Nunez, the no 9.

 

[Mainoldo]

Hope this helps. He’s a winger even according to Salah himself. A striker is like Nunez, the no 9.

He’s trying to oversell his stats

He ain’t no winger. Not now anyway.

 

[roonster09]

Why is there so much confusion, Salah is not a winger, he is not striker either. He is wing forward(or inside forward), term that's been used for more than 10 years.

 

[VP89]

Why is there so much confusion, Salah is not a winger, he is not striker either. He is wing forward(or inside forward), term that's been used for more than 10 years.

This reminds me of our age old debate when I argued Rashford was a winger and not a striker