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Anonymous, but where were the passes into midfield from our defenders?

It looked to me like the defenders were getting pulled out of position and were just moving it side to side.

In the second half the tactic changed to going down the wings and kicking it long to Fellaini, so Fletcher was bypassed intentionally for long stretches.
 
Oh dear! So promising in pre-season then a really shocking performance today. His last 20 mins were almost comically bad. A gutless display too, handing responsibility to Blackett and Smalling again and again.
 
People who say Darren Fletcher is a great role model too, stop talking out of your arse.

Fletcher is a role model to no one, if i was a young kid starting out, there are many pros i would look up to but not Darren Fletcher is not one of them. I just really do not know how:-

1) he's on Manchester United's pay role still the amount of games he's started last 5 years
2) how he starts when fit
3) how he's vice captain.
 
Shocking today, Fellaini was much better even when sitting. I am not sure why Fletcher seems to be the answer, vice captain too.

I hope I am wrong - but It's hard to see him being good enough for us again.
 
He should be fourth choice central midfielder at best. We need at least one more midfielder in stat or we'll struggle this season once again.
 
Ferguson said:
Anonymous, but where were the passes into midfield from our defenders?

It looked to me like the defenders were getting pulled out of position and were just moving it side to side.

In the second half the tactic changed to going down the wings and kicking it long to Fellaini, so Fletcher was bypassed intentionally for long stretches.
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I think that's partly down to Fletcher not being great at making himself available though. He does like to stand around and point when defenders have the ball, instead of dragging his marker away or finding space where he can receive the ball. Towards the end he was seriously struggling physically, under hitting passes and so on, which might explain the bypassing of the midfield (well that and Fellaini being on the pitch).
 
Underhit so many passes that I was ready to throw my remote into the tv by the end. The kingpin in a listless display for me.
 
NoWinNoFee said:
People who say Darren Fletcher is a great role model too, stop talking out of your arse.

Fletcher is a role model to no one, if i was a young kid starting out, there are many pros i would look up to but not Darren Fletcher. I just really do not know how:-

1) he's on Manchester United's pay role still the amount of games he's started last 5 years
2) how he starts when fit
3) how he's vice captain.
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1) Because he had a medical issue which threatened his career - nobody is going to buy him with that being a factor, and we'll at least be decent enough to let him see out his contract - there's more to football than winning every match at all costs.
2) because Carrick is injured
3) because it matters very little, the main captain is what matters.
 
He was giving 100% in pre-season while the opposition was probably going at about 70%. That's why he stood out.

In a proper game, it's painfully obvious how hopeless he is these days. We're not in a position to carry him, he shouldn't be playing for us.
 
He wouldn't be a United player now had he didn't have his illness. We should have replaced him after 2011 and move on.
 
All 3 United said:
Cleverley or Fellaini should be starting with Herrera. If we had other defenders I would even say Jones could play there. Fletcher shouldn't be playing for the club.
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None of them is an upgrade over the others, put it this way. Would any of them get a game at Arsenal, City, Chelsea or even Liverpool.

I would even go further and say I would highly doubt the would get that at Spurs and maybe Everton.
 
That 5 yards pass he hit about 3 yards and failed to reached one of our players was tragic.
 
NoWinNoFee said:
People who say Darren Fletcher is a great role model too, stop talking out of your arse.

Fletcher is a role model to no one, if i was a young kid starting out, there are many pros i would look up to but not Darren Fletcher is not one of them. I just really do not know how:-

1) he's on Manchester United's pay role still the amount of games he's started last 5 years
2) how he starts when fit
3) how he's vice captain.
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What are you on about pal? Fletcher is a model professional. A valid role model for any of the young guys looking to make a career at United.
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Poor performance from him today, just don't think we can rely on Fletcher to be a solid starting midfielder for us any more unfortunately. I think he still has some value to us as a squad player though and a good senior influence on the dressing room. If Vidal or whoever doesn't happen I would get De Jong in to partner Herrera.
 
Yeah I think it's better to have De Jong starting next to Herrera because when you are creating feck all it's better to have a solid outfit that doesn't concede avoidable goals like Swansea's first. Imo Fletcher has lost the dynamism and the power to effectively screen in front of the defence, such a performance against City or Chelsea it could get real messy.
 
girish said:
Not anywhere near good enough. The sooner Carrick is back, the better.
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Ah yeah our good old Carrick. One of our worst performers last season, 33 years old and back from a bad ancle injury in about 2 months. I can see him saving our season.
 
I thought he did very well. Not pre-illness Fletcher but comfortably better than any other midfielder in the squad would have / did aside from Herrera.
 
Godfather said:
Ah yeah our good old Carrick. One of our worst performers last season, 33 years old and back from a bad ancle injury in about 2 months. I can see him saving our season.
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Better ball player than Fletcher, and he could cover the back and create space for Herrera. I definitely can see him saving our midfield, if not the season.
 
I'm so happy he's come back from his problems with illness but I predicted he would get found out in the Premier League. He's no more than a squad player anymore to go along with Carrick Cleverley & Fellaini. They should be struggling to get games not starting. Too much is being put on Herrera partnering him with these players.
 
He is gonna come out one of the bests on couple of matches but for the most part he is gonna be average or anonymous. I don't expect a lot from Fletcher, Cleverly and Carrick
 
girish said:
Better ball player than Fletcher, and he could cover the back and create space for Herrera. I definitely can see him saving our midfield, if not the season.
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Let's wait and see. I don't think he will save anything anymore. He was bad last season and considering his slow starts EVERY year and his injury right now, I'm not sure what and when he is supposed to save us.

Sean_RedDevil said:
I will cry if he starts against Sunderland

He isn't even good enough for Crystal Palace.......he's a nothing player nowadays....it's harsh but it's the truth
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And who shall we start instead? Cleverley who didnt even look good in pre season? Fellaini that moron? We have feck all in CM.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
I will cry if he starts against Sunderland

He isn't even good enough for Crystal Palace.......he's a nothing player nowadays....it's harsh but it's the truth
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Yeah unfortunately I concor. I was just shocked that so many on here believed he was going to be the same player as before. Preseason is a very different scenario to actual competitive football. Sentiment is one thing, but at the end of the day, no player should be playing if they simply aren't up to it.
 
Godfather said:
And who shall we start instead? Cleverley who didnt even look good in pre season? Fellaini that moron? We have feck all in CM.
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At least Cleverley can pass the ball to the our players...also his passes are 90% sideways

The PL tempo is too high for Fletcher and he's useless

It's a great story that Fletcher is back on the football pitch.....but his time is over at Old Trafford
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
At least Cleverley can pass the ball to the our players...also his passes are 90% sideways

The PL tempo is too high for Fletcher and he's useless

It's a great story that Fletcher is back on the football pitch.....but his time is over at Old Trafford
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Don't think his time is over. But the lad played about every pre season match and now this game as well. I don't think he can handle that much game time. He looked on his last legs.

He will still have a role to play but he shouldnt be the main man in our CM alongside Herrera. Neither should that be Cleverley, Carrick or Fellaini.
 
He was absolutely awful. Great in preseason where teams played at pedestrian pace but struggled big time against a proper full of running priemier team.

That's not to say that he's finished or anything but it's pretty daft of the club to go into the season with us being hugely reliant on a guy who looked unfit for this league when he played in it last season.
 
Godfather said:
Don't think his time is over. But the lad played about every pre season match and now this game as well. I don't think he can handle that much game time. He looked on his last legs.

He will still have a role to play but he shouldnt be the main man in our CM alongside Herrera. Neither should that be Cleverley, Carrick or Fellaini.
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I think someone else said that "Fletcher has played 100% in pre-season and other players have played with 70%".....that's the reason why he has looked so good in the last weeks
Like said i love Fletcher and it's a great story but he shouldn't be Manchester United player anymore

But he's vice-captain....i think that shows Van Gaal has big plans with him and i don't understand that
 
I said it in pre-season, that you don't know what you can expect from Fletch game on game and shouldn't be relied upon, and was criticised at the time due to him putting in a couple of displays, but again today we saw him put in another woeful performance, he can't be relied upon as a starter.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
I think someone else said that "Fletcher has played 100% in pre-season and other players have played with 70%".....that's the reason why he has looked so good in the last weeks
Like said i love Fletcher and it's a great story but he shouldn't be Manchester United player anymore

But he's vice-captain....i think that shows Van Gaal has big plans with him and i don't understand that
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That's very harsh.
But as far as this vice captain thingy goes: That's meaningless. If Rooney or Fletch don't play someone else will be the captain.
 
It hurt seeing him out there.

I tried telling the usual "I'll go into this thread with the opposite opinion of everyone else just for the feck of it"-crew that he's nowhere close to being able to hack it at PL level at his current physical and mental level.

Even against a below average PL side today he was woefully found out. Imagine when we're actually going to have to do actual defending for large amounts of the match?
 
Godfather said:
That's very harsh.
But as far as this vice captain thingy goes: That's meaningless. If Rooney or Fletch don't play someone else will be the captain.
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I don't think i'm harsh
The loss wasn't just his fault today...but he was a big reason....our midfield was awful and he has offered nothing at all (or you can tell me what he has done)

I mean it was just feckin Swansea's midfield today :nervous:
 
Herrera's best games have come when he is the main playmaker from midfield, i saw him many times asking for the ball and it going wide time after time. Maybe we should try Fellaini (hopefully Vidal) Herrera combo next match.
 
Not enough brave and aggressive to rule the midfield. You can't expect highest United level, not anymore I think.

I'm sorry but he degraded and it shouldn't be a secret... not after his terrible illness which is not his fault.

FA/Capital One Cup level with all respect to this great, loyal and intelligent human being.
 
Think a lot of the comments about Fletch are needlessly negative. Fletch had a bad first half but looked good at the start of the second. He dropped off when Herrera was replaced. Understandably, because Fellaini was so high up sometimes Fletch was alone trying to cover midfield.
 
It's his illness it's robbed us and him of his prime. Sad but true should be nowhere near our starting 11 but then it highlights our strength of midfield player. Not his fault wish other players had this boys heart.
 
Tell me, is it me or he is to blame for both goals? The first one he was jogging back far far away from action, the second one he was covering nobody.
Genuine question, because IMO these are his areas to cover, or am I wrong?
 
Borys said:
Tell me, is it me or he is to blame for both goals? The first one he was jogging back far far away from action, the second one he was covering nobody.
Genuine question, because IMO these are his areas to cover, or am I wrong?
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I love the guy and I don't want to admit it but I thought so as well. I also thought he was off the pace for the majority as well - as though he was 'tired' or a bit 'unfit'. He just didn't fight tooth and nail liek I've seen him do on many occasions and I wasn't sitting watching going "COME ON MATE" I was thinking to myself "there is something not right with Fletch today... He seems off the pace"...

Love the guy to bits but we are rolling the dice large on him and Carrick being our two main midfielders if I am honest.
 
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