Danny Welbeck to Sunderland (Loan Watch)

Decotron said:
hmmm not so sure about a few of them. salas in particular
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Well I am beginning to scrape the barrel! I could have had Crespo, replace him for Salas. The point is I've said Inzaghi is probably the best pure poacher for the last decade, yet is not world class as there are so many players who would widely be considered better than him. I feel Macheda and Hernandez are more in this mould.

With Welbeck he has the potential to be so much more than that, join the game's elite of forwards, and that is why I'm so excited about him.
 
Damn, I should've gone for white text. :lol:

But in all fairness, some of our youngsters won't make it. It will always be the same. And I don't think I have seen any player from our academy making a strong impact on the first team and cementing his place in the first team, like the ones in 95.

Sure, they have time on their side, but to accommodate them, and find them a place in the first team, we may have to opt, not to go for any reinforcements, ie buying renowned players. But that will probably result in a transition stage, resulting in a trophyless streak of seasons. How many of us are prepared to watch that?
 
Care_de_Bobo said:
Well none of them bar Raul and possibly Vieri have been as consistent and reliable for such a long period of time, his all round game is clearly not world class but if you judge him on what he's there to do which is to score goals then he most certainly is. It's all down to personal opinion anyway tbh, no two people would be able to agree on the exact same players they would class as world class I don't think.
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Thing is I think I've named 8 players out of the 12 who everyone would agree is better than Inzaghi (Shev, Henry, Ruud, Crespo, Del Piero, Vieri, Raul, Ronaldo) and another 4 who are debatably better. If one is to deem him world class I would say he would at the very minimum have to be to ten in his era, others would say top 5, and therefore he just cannot be considered world class.

The point I was making is Inzaghi is about as good as I can imagine a pure poacher being, and yet isn't world class, or at least isn't one of the best. Welbeck has so much more to his game than Hernandez or Macheda in my eyes, meaning he could turn out to be so much more.
 
Fiskey said:
Surely in order for him to be mentioned as world class he's have to be able to get in a team ahead of those I mentioned above, there has to be a roughly finite amount of world class players.
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How many times has Inzaghi won the champions league?

Is it really more important for football fans to consider you "world class" than win the champions league multiple times?
 
Ekeke said:
How many times has Inzaghi won the champions league?

Is it really more important for football fans to consider you "world class" than win the champions league multiple times?
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No, point?
 
alastair said:
Sorry, I'll give you his physique, it's pretty good to be fair.

Technically, I don't see it. Whenever I look at a young player, I always think about how he can fail as opposed to how he can succeed. By doing that, I find it easier to gauge whether someone is a genuinely exciting player or not. That's why I'm so excited about Wilshere - he has it all, and consequently I can't see how he can fail. I never had the same feeling about someone like Aliadiere, or Denilson, because it's clear they didn't/don't have it all.

Welbeck is technically reasonable. He can keep the ball relatively well, and can dribble competently. He also has a decent shot on him. But none of these traits stand out - there's no doubt he's a good player, but he doesn't strike me as one who could play at the very top level. The weaker sides of his game include heading - which is bizarre given his physique - passing and vision. I'm sure someone will say that most of his passes hit his target, but they always seem to be the easiest choice, and normally go backwards.

Fair enough if I'm proven wrong, but I genuinely can't see it at all, whereas I can with Hernandez, for example. Welbeck just strikes me as mid-table.
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I’m sorry but the above post makes me wonder if you have actually ever seen him play?
Of all his attributes it is his technique that stands out the most. The problem with Wellbeck is more a decision making and physical frame thing, for both of which he has plenty of time to work at.
 
Fiskey said:
No, point?
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Point is Inzaghi scores those goals. The ones that get you through a round. Does it matter that he isnt creating goals that often? Or that you dont consider him "world class" ? No. He's getting paid a lot of money and he's winning trophies. Thats what a footballer wants.

Macheda and Hernandez's success at United will be based on scoring important goals in big matches, and scoring at a regular and impressive rate compared to other strikers out there. As long as they have the vision and passing to keep a move going, and then have the movement to get in the box and score goals they'll be fine at all levels.
 
Rams said:
I’m sorry but the above post makes me wonder if you have actually ever seen him play?
Of all his attributes it is his technique that stands out the most. The problem with Wellbeck is more a decision making and physical frame thing, for both of which he has plenty of time to work at.
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I think it shines through in more than one of alastair's posts that he hasn't seen all that much of Danny.

I thought he had a good first half yesterday. He struggled to make an impact in the second but his touch was smooth throughout.
 
Makki said:
To be fair, he had the entire goal to aim for with Friedel standing near one post, and he managed to hit him more or less. But a good run initially to get there.
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The ball was a bit behind him so really it was the only part of the goal to aim at. Normally it would be the best place to aim for but Friedel was in a very odd position.
 
Just watched the derby game. Welbeck did well I thought.His fitness and strength seem to be improving as his his awareness. Had a great run in the 1st half but maybe should have passed to Bent instead of going for a shot.

Subbed on 55 but then Sunderland were down to 10 men. Great that Bruce continues to play him....hope he gets a goal soon, think then that we may see him really grow into a player
 
Man-United said:
He looked a bit angry when being subbed.
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Not surprised when he was trying hard and looked to the only support for Bent and they went for damage limitation and brought Richardson on:rolleyes:

They still conceded 2 more.....so it clearly worked
 
he made a really poor decision , but did very well to take it from his own half to the newcastle box
had a few good moments
sunderland were overrun for large parts ... henderson-cattermole-steed did nothing of note

gyan didnt do any better when he came on
hope it doesnt knock his confidence .. i liked him running with the ball in the first half ..before it turned shit for sunderland
 
prateik said:
he made a really poor decision , but did very well to take it from his own half to the newcastle box
had a few good moments
sunderland were overrun for large parts ... henderson-cattermole-steed did nothing of note

gyan didnt do any better when he came on
hope it doesnt knock his confidence .. i liked him running with the ball in the first half ..before it turned shit for sunderland
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I don't think it will...he must realise that Bruce is according him opportunities that he was unlikely to get had he stayed ay Utd.

The confidence to run at players is something that I've noticed him getting better at.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Just watched the derby game. Welbeck did well I thought.His fitness and strength seem to be improving as his his awareness. Had a great run in the 1st half but maybe should have passed to Bent instead of going for a shot.

Subbed on 55 but then Sunderland were down to 10 men. Great that Bruce continues to play him....hope he gets a goal soon, think then that we may see him really grow into a player
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He's getting good experience there. Speaks volumes that he gets consistently picked ahead of their expensive summer signing.

No doubt the Sunderland fans will scapegoat him for their teams shoddy performance today though. Loanees tend to be the targeted for abuse when a team puts in a shite performance and today was a really shite performance by their whole team.

Sunderland fans and utter dick-heads like Scholesy, that is. It's pathetic the way he looks for attention by slagging of young United players. Very tiresome too.
 
Considering they can't even spell his name right I wouldn't take their opinion seriously.
 
nah , they are alright
that reaction is expected after getting beat the way they did against their local rivals
they are having a go at bruce too . the sensible people are probably staying away from the message boards

i dont understand what joy there is in writing a 19-20 year old off other than having the chance to bump a thread 3-4 years from now with a 'I told you so'

he has the talent , he has the attributes , he is putting in a shift at sunderland (doing enough to get picked) ... the more he plays , the more chance he will have of putting it all together and improving significantly as a player ....
 
He really, really should have done better at the end of his run. If you take that on yourself you hit the target and make the keeper make an uncomfortable save, no excuses. The better option was to pass it to his team's best goalscorer.
 
Jesus, I thought he looked poor today. Surprised at some of the comments above. Looks poor anytime I have seen him for Sunderland. Didnt impress with Preston either.

I think I am going to stick my neck out here (even though it is fairly obvious) and say he will never make it at Utd
 
He was pretty poor today if giving an honest opinion and i'm one of his biggest fans. As a Sunderland fan I wouldn't have been too impressed. Don't know what some of you guys were watching!!
 
SittingBull said:
Well, never rated him at all. Not good enough to be a starter for a top 10 team in the league.
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Totally agree. Starting for the 11th best team in the league, as he currently is, is all he could ever hope for. Also, he rapes kittens.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Jesus, I thought he looked poor today. Surprised at some of the comments above. Looks poor anytime I have seen him for Sunderland. Didnt impress with Preston either.

I think I am going to stick my neck out here (even though it is fairly obvious) and say he will never make it at Utd
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I share that view, you tend to get rather a lot of abuse aimed at you if you go against the trend at times on here but there's no point in sugar coating whats plain to see, Welbecks never impressed me in any shirt to be honest, he looks exactly what he is to me, a decentish young player who'll go on to have a career maybe in the lower leagues or with a lesser premier league side, don't think he's ever going to be a regular for a club of this size, he looks out of his depth in first team premier league football to me.
 
Allforone said:
I share that view, you tend to get rather a lot of abuse aimed at you if you go against the trend at times on here but there's no point in sugar coating whats plain to see, Welbecks never impressed me in any shirt to be honest, he looks exactly what he is to me, a decentish young player who'll go on to have a career maybe in the lower leagues or with a lesser premier league side, don't think he's ever going to be a regular for a club of this size, he looks out of his depth in first team premier league football to me.
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Yes, I agree. I think the fanboys are becoming increasingly in their minority. Do people really think Diouf, Macheda and Welbeck are our future strikeforce?
 
What've Diouf and Kiko got to do with the price of fish?
 
Didn't see the game game today but I've watched a lot of Sunderland this year and every time I've seen them he's been fantastic, their best player for me. Behind Rafa and Evans who I consider certainties to be here in 5 years Welbeck would definitely be next on my list.

What I don't quite understand is how so many people on here are so positive about Cleverly, good as he is, yet he hasn't been playing in a team which is less strong than Sunderland's and they've been playing similar roles. Welbeck has all the tools to make it, just think he has too much talent to fail.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'll stop you there.

Are you familiar with Scholesy's work? Probably not much point taking this any further.
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Quite simply the single greatest reply i've read on the caf so far.

Personally though I don't think Welbeck can make the grade. If he's not shining starting week in week out for Sunderland how can he ever expect to start week in week out for us?

Yes he's young, yes he's learning but he's a good three or four years off being anywhere near good enough to start for us.
 
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