James can actually make a proper career elsewhere, and his wages won’t be too bad so other clubs will actually be interested in him.
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James can actually make a proper career elsewhere, and his wages won’t be too bad so other clubs will actually be interested in him.
Guy gets crap just for being at the club. You don't think so you're entitled to your opinion. Like I said go educate yourself and you'll have an informed opinion.
Eh? Did I say that sweet cheeks? I wouldn't say those threads are a good measured way of seeing how fans feel about him or any players most of the time, they're often the worst reactions and basically twitter level analysis.
Imagine constantly slating a young guy on low wages still finding his niche in the game, almost willing him to fail for the last year and a half in the limited appearances he had even though he always clearly gave his all, unlike many of our much more expensive options who thought phoning it in was good enough for us. Pretty shitty support I’d say. I know which kind of player I prefer anyway.
That's the whole point though, and you should quit slating those that prefer players with actual ability. You cant win anything with just effort, ability is just as important if not more.
Aren't you an angry elf. People say the guy isn't good enough because, guess what? He isn't good enough. If you aren't capable of recognizing that distinction, then maybe you need to go 'educate yourself.'
A team of 11 players with the effort of a Dan James would easily beat a team of 11 with the effort of martial and whoever else nine times out of ten. Recently we’ve had far too many players who may be technically good on paper but lack the required intensity to ever really change a game or put up a fight when the chips are down or even just play a tactical pressing role. Too many who think they can win matches by virtue showing up and jogging around a bit looking pained. Seems like plenty of fans have been tricked into thinking somehow that’s what a better player looks like. If you don’t compete it doesn’t matter how skilful you are.
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Not at all angry, no idea where you get that from...
I've never said he's good enough, I simply don't understand the bile posted about him. Maybe you need to read rather than go off on a random agenda about what I have or haven't posted.
I really like James, I think he is a decent little player. He isn't good enough for United but I'm happy to have him as an occasional squad option.
Better for all parties if he goes though. Hopefully on a permanent transfer where we can reinvest the fee. If I supported a mid to lower mid table club I would be watching him with interest as someone who could be an asset in the first XI. Hopefully he will have a good career at a club at that level, seems a nice lad who puts his all in on the pitch.
Better for all parties if he goes though. Hopefully on a permanent transfer where we can reinvest the fee. If I supported a mid to lower mid table club I would be watching him with interest as someone who could be an asset in the first XI. Hopefully he will have a good career at a club at that level, seems a nice lad who puts his all in on the pitch.
In football technical skills are very very important, but you can overcome some degree of being short of the highest level with physical talent or mental acuity.
Dan James has a good first touch, and a decent shot and cross. He is also blisteringly fast, which if used properly would overcome some of his dribbling issues (playing a one-two etc.).
He puts in a shift in the press, and follows his instructions - which is what a manager would want from a supporting player.
His big issue is that he misplaces short passes (and is not strong enough to battle off interference) so the one-two doesn't work, and he lacks composure in the final third so he makes poor decisions and often shoots as a % chance it goes in because he then doesn't have to read his teammates movement.
He can play a role in the squad, but is ultimately limited so we should be looking out for his replacement, but maybe not as a priority.
Hopefully Elanga steps up soon and I would certainly understand if we move James on and use Elanga for a similar role for 'developmentally'.
Dan James has a good first touch, and a decent shot and cross. He is also blisteringly fast, which if used properly would overcome some of his dribbling issues (playing a one-two etc.).
He puts in a shift in the press, and follows his instructions - which is what a manager would want from a supporting player.
His big issue is that he misplaces short passes (and is not strong enough to battle off interference) so the one-two doesn't work, and he lacks composure in the final third so he makes poor decisions and often shoots as a % chance it goes in because he then doesn't have to read his teammates movement.
He can play a role in the squad, but is ultimately limited so we should be looking out for his replacement, but maybe not as a priority.
Hopefully Elanga steps up soon and I would certainly understand if we move James on and use Elanga for a similar role for 'developmentally'.
He takes minutes away from better players.
James, Lingard, Donny, Martial, Mata, Jones and even Matic are all players that do not contribute anything. None should be at the club next season. Their wages could go towards a top striker and midfielder and another quality squad player.
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Yeh but we are Manchester United. The minimum standard should be both quality technical ability AND top fight and work ethic for the team.
It isn't a binary choice.
Maybe we should go all out for Shaqiri
No, it’s not but we’ve too many passenger players. In our last really great team Rooney Park Tevez Ando Fletcher Hargreaves even Scholes fought hard. They won their individual battles and it inevitably allowed us to showcase our superior technical ability. Last few seasons we’ve had far too many who are happy to stand off and walk around passing it backwards waiting for someone else to bail them out. At least James kept direct and hardworking even when things weren’t coming off. It’s honest and every team needs a few.
James is a passenger player, because he lacks quality
Really hope this happens, if it brings in money for a midfielder then it’s best result for everyone. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if he wants to stay for 12 months to play with Ronaldo.
When you're two posts in and you're telling people to 'go educate' themselves after they simply disagree with you, it's a fairly simple assessment.
Oh you mean like assuming I haven't read the thread? And what's my random agenda, specifically, rather than having the audacity to disagree with you?
So he's a winger that doesn't score, assist, take on his man or get in behind, or has no sophistication in his movement, and you wonder why people get frustrated with him? It isn't bile to say a player shouldn't be anywhere this squad when he quite clearly doesn't have the ability of the players around him.
If you want a comparison look at the shit routinely thrown at Pogba or even Lingard, where appearance and character are attacked on a near daily basis. Then there is the likes of Lindelof and Fred who, despite being accomplished players, get treated like they've never played football before.
We've got three pages posted here in the last 9 hours. Where's the hatred?
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Every one of our hardworking players in previous great teams though was still at a fantastic level. Think of Park. It was only against Ronaldo and Giggs that he was seen as just a hard working runner. He was a fantastic player in his own right as evidenced before he joined united.
None of our teams had players that were only hard workers. Which is essentially what James is. He can run but not much else. Like any number of quick British wingers we have seen over the last 20 years who have been in and around mid table to relegation teams.
But nearly everyone that criticizes him recognizes he always gives it all, even the 10% morons that call him a championship player.
Ok, so Martial is Bruce Willis, but I disagree that our other players are "phoning it in".
I think if James were to be a bit more clinical in front of goal (he's missed quite a few sitters), he could be a decent squad player for us. He needs to actually play games to gain confidence and develop on that front, be it on loan or sale. James isn't magically going to improve his dribbling or touch. This is like expecting VDB to improve his creativity and passing range. Not likely to happen at 23y.
People see our midfield options and that James would be 5th choice at best next season and put 1 and 1 together. Let's not pretend everyone that thinks a sale is good for the club, isn't supporting him when he plays.
His sale would rival Ronaldo purchase for me. Really don't rate him as a player at all.
Well said, it's moronic to keep a fifth choice winger who could fetch up to £25m whilst wheeling out Matic to start PL games for a team that expects to challenge for the title. I don't hate the lad but for club progression I think it makes sense to sell him and use the proceeds to bring in a midfielder.
This season he will fall into disuse, lose confidence and form then his value will tumble and we wonder why we such poor sellers when clubs that are offering us £20m now begin to offer us a bag of chips, its all about timing. In a season where one of Rashford, Greenwood, Pogba, Cavani and Martial aren't guaranteed starters it doesn't bode well for James and its not worth keeping him for the occasional game where his pace comes in handy.
Can somebody please tell me on what planet is Daniel James a useful squad player?
I see this argued yet there is absolutely nothing to suggest that this is the case.
Useful squad players are the Park’s, O’Shea’s, Phil Neville’s and even Blind’s of the world. Players who play fairly regularly and aren’t a detriment to the first team when they do have to step in. They’re not wingers who plays dreadfully almost every time they play and can’t be trusted by the manager to come on as a substitute in any game in which we are level or behind. Useful my arse.
If there is a chance to move him on in the next three days then we should absolutely go for it.
I see this argued yet there is absolutely nothing to suggest that this is the case.
Useful squad players are the Park’s, O’Shea’s, Phil Neville’s and even Blind’s of the world. Players who play fairly regularly and aren’t a detriment to the first team when they do have to step in. They’re not wingers who plays dreadfully almost every time they play and can’t be trusted by the manager to come on as a substitute in any game in which we are level or behind. Useful my arse.
If there is a chance to move him on in the next three days then we should absolutely go for it.
Who wants him to fail?
I’d quite like him to start assisting and scoring goals, but he doesn’t. That’s why people are suggesting we move him on. Elanga has already demonstrated that he has a goal or two in him; he can take up those minutes instead. It’s a win-win.
If we can take cash from this, and use some of it to fund a DM who can be reliable in holding in the midfield that allows us to play Pogba/Bruno (and VDB) at the same time in a midfield 3 I'll be ecstatic. I think James can have a decent career at a midtable team that thrives on the counter, but I don't see him making the grade on a team with goals of winning titles and cups. Maybe as a fringe squad guy, but even then. Outside of the Bebe transfer, how hard we went after James is one of the more confusing pieces of business in the transfer window since I've closely followed the club.
He’s got to go blud.
Mid-lower PL level at best
Would be great for Leeds and the way they play.
Would be great for Leeds and the way they play.
James is one of our not good enough players who still has some value and we could recoup what we paid for him I think. We all know he gives his all 100% but he just doesn't have the ability to be anything else than a fringe player here or at any top level club.
This something that some of us aren't seeing, we got Ronaldo and Rashford is coming back in two months and have spent £73m on Sancho. Whilst it's good to have Pogba in his new found niche I think the team will benefit more from having Rashford back on the left, Sancho on the right and Ronaldo through the middle meaning that Pogba has to return to central midfield so we need another defensive minded midfielder because Scot and Fred don't cut individually when asked to play with Pogba.
If Rashford, Ronaldo and Sancho is our starting front three then Cavani, Greenwood and Martial are the rotation options. Greenwood is a youth team graduate, our great hope and he will have dibs on any openings whilst Cavani can carve out a niche as a supersub and Martial can do whatever. James and Martial's minutes will be severely limited but James is attracting genuine interest in the final hours of a window in which we need to sell inorder to buy. No brainer, I'd sell both him and Martial but no one is touching Martial after last season and last week.
No there really are people who take it a bit too far
Leeds have better wide players
Yeah but zero squad depth, they have players on the bench who literally haven’t made an appearance in 2 years
Yup, and we have higher-upside young guys for the front 3 who we are loaning out like Amad. He doesn't really fit short-term or long-term. He's not good enough to be used now, and we probably expect guys like Amad and Greenwood to fill key roles when Ronaldo/Cavani leave and likely Martial too.
So he should move to be a bench player elsewhere? Hes better of going somewhere where he can make the 11
He needs to go out on loan. His game time will be severely limited at a time when he needs matches. Brighton or Palace would be ideal clubs. Leeds won’t be able to give him much time on the pitch.
Still think he can come back in a year or two and be a good player for us.
Still think he can come back in a year or two and be a good player for us.
Did Fergies teams teach us nothing?
He needs to get away from our toxic fan base
No one hates him
Most fans don’t like poor players starting games, and then being blindly defended with “well he tries hard”
it’s stupid comments like this that I hate, not Dan James
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