Daley Blind - The Forgotten Man?

I've always liked Blind. 30 years ago, when the game was slower, he would've been a world beater. Great intellect, great cross and positionally sound. Modern game is just slightly too fast for him it seems.

Still great as a solid back up for several positions and a sympathetic lad to boot.
 
I'm not sure I disagree. It's just that we've seen the peaks of Daley Blind when he played DM under Van Gaal. That, I think is better performances than what Carrick has shown last season - So in some way, I think he could get more out of the team as a whole if he could make him go back to that form.

It's Mou's choice and he has the full right - it's just costly to buy a Matic/Dier, who Blind could do just as well as, if applied correctly.
Like I said I agree in the sense that in my judgement he could do well there if given a chance. However, playing devil's advocate with you - and myself to some extent - while he looked good in that DM position in the early Van Gaal period, the actual results werent so impressive. I never thought that was down to Blind, particularly - or at least, not solely - and even if he was bypassed too easily at times he could have grown into the role. But the fact is Van Gaal rarely trusted him there after that initial period, and Mourinho has taken the same view. So while it is a bit too easy at times to say, "the manager knows more about this football lark than I do, so if he feels Blind isnt good enough, he probably knows better than I do," there is an element of that here. So I dont view spending a lot of money on a new DM as a waste of money at all. We need an option Mourinho is completely happy with.
 
Like I said I agree in the sense that in my judgement he could do well there if given a chance. However, playing devil's advocate with you - and myself to some extent - while he looked good in that DM position in the early Van Gaal period, the actual results werent so impressive. I never thought that was down to Blind, particularly - or at least, not solely - and even if he was bypassed too easily at times he could have grown into the role. But the fact is Van Gaal rarely trusted him there after that initial period, and Mourinho has taken the same view. So while it is a bit too easy at times to say, "the manager knows more about this football lark than I do, so if he feels Blind isnt good enough, he probably knows better than I do," there is an element of that here. So I dont view spending a lot of money on a new DM as a waste of money at all. We need an option Mourinho is completely happy with.

That's mostly how I feel too - Mourinho watches the players every day, and ultimately has the best knowledge to judge from. However he also admits himself that his way of handling certain players is not optimal. Fragile players are not great for him.

I guess if he can not find the players that plays to his mindset, he finds new ones (Fabinho, Matic, who he knows better) - I don't know if Blind falls in this tough-player-to-handle category though.

Or maybe it's just a too time-consumin task to make Blind go back to DM again. It takes development, patience and game-time, where he might just stick with what is safe.
 
I definitely think he'd be able to play as a defensive mid. Also, take note that depending on the situation in-match, he can drop down even deeper to slot in to the middle of a back three. But that's just tactical dynamics that tend to play themselves out naturally on the pitch, we wouldn't line-up with a back three.

He established himself by playing as a midfielder at Ajax, so the position is natural for him. He just needs to adapt that role to the Premier League, which I'm almost certain he can. Those four or five matches he did play as a midfielder at United are simply not enough for an extensive assessment, and a lot has happened since then.

Give him another chance. Pre-season gives you the opportunity to try it.

This post can be applied to Lindelof too, by the way. It wouldn't surprise me if we'll see Lindelof as a DM at one point or another. But I think we have potentially a hidden asset for this position in Daley Blind.
 
I guess this is another place where I could add that while I would be happy to see Mourinho try Blind in midfield, I would be even happier for him to give TFM a run there.
Fosu-Mensah would be like a disaster in there, he was always used as #8 or on the wing for some reason.

Don't forget Mourinho opted for Tuanzebe there ahead of Blind. No hope.
 
Exactly my thoughts. These qualities scream out holding role, to me. Sure, he's not going to destroy opposition but neither does Carrick and Blind's clear lack of pace but excellent brain would suggest that he'd be more suited to this role than full-back.

A midfield triangle of Blind, Herrera & Pogba seems pretty balanced and effective.
I see your point and think he would do well... except that Mourinho doesn't really want that from the deep DM. He wants that to be a strong DM unshackling those ahead. For a player like Blind he would rather go 4-2-3-1.

I did think we were lacking Blind's attributes in the build up department whenever he didn't play. Hope Lindelof shores that up.

He is currently our best LB anyway afaic.
 
Blind Can definately Be a cdm in a midfeild 3. Blind has the footballing brain to play in that role very very effectively just as he was slotted in the cb position very effectively. He is a proactive thinker with a sweet left foot. A Cdm dont always have to be physical and intimidating and much of his effectiveness depends on positioning , technical skills , proactive game reading skills Like a carrick , and blind has all those characteristics and also he has that ability to break up the play and win the ball as we have seen with his cb displays. He has vunrability of being overrun in the middle in a midfeild 2 and that's what herrera is there for to share ball winning burdens in a mid 3.

To Spend on someone like dier makes absolute no sense when you already have blind in the squad who can bring more or less the same qualities as dier on and off the ball.

We should look into bring more dynamic player in the midfeild which has different qualities than those of blind. Blind can play the dier role very well in that position and would be wasted on the bench if not played.
 
In regards to him not being "physical enough" - If you are smart enough and read the game well, as Daley does, you can avoid more physical battles than say Jones.
 
I think pace is overrated. Some of the best defenders in the world were slow. They make up for it with brains. Brains + no pace > pace + less intelligence
 
I'd have him in the team anywhere you can fit him in, not that that's a surprise to anyone. Looks like that's left back this season which is his weakest position but he still offers far more than Darmian. I think he's most comfortable at centre back, and if we did have Shaw bombing down the wing or another left back with a similar skill set, it could be a very productive way to start attacks, especially with Pogba on the left side of the pitch too.

I also think he'd be very useful if Mourinho was more tactically flexible, constantly moving from a centre back in a back three to a holding midfielder when we have the ball, like the role Dier had before Wanyama relegated him to a more conventional centre back. As a holding midfielder with a back four, I don't see him excelling as much. It would expose his lack of pace more and while his passing is incisive, he would have less time on the ball in midfield and that could lead to poor decision making. I'd still like to see him used as a midfielder in pre-season, ideally with Pogba and Herrera in the same team and not Carrick and Fellaini.
 
This is rarely discussed now as Mourinho has went a full season without trying him holding midfield. Herrera has made that position his own and Carrick has signed on another year. Personally I feel it is his best position but Ander is better and Carrick is a very useful squad option. If we are talking hypothetically about moving to a midfield with one holding and two in front of him rather than a double pivot with an advanced midfielder in front of them, and using Herrera higher up the pitch rather than as the sitting player, then yes I would say Blind should be considered as a starter over Carrick. This is due more to the fact that he would be able to play a full season rather than actually being better than Carrick in the role though. I think Blind could play a full season in that position and be good enough for a team challenging for the league title.

His lack of athleticism is always going to go against him when discussing his suitability for any role, however I don't understand the opinion that he is too weak or too slow for centre midfield specifically? Anchoring the midfield is the best position to limit how much he gets exposed physically. Centre halves and full backs are far more likely to find themselves in need of pace or strength during games - particularly the amount of space you have to cover is greater. In centre midfield everything is more compressed, with supporting players all around you. Alonso, Carrick, Pirlo and an aged Scholes are all examples of players who's physical limitations were offset by their playing position. Carrick and Alonso, like Blind, have a greater aptitude for defending than the latter two did and although the complaint that they are not quite athletic enough has been and always will be the case and will show in certain moments of games, they are intelligent enough to not be a hindrance to their team defensively. Pirlo and Scholes at times were a liability, with no knack for positioning and no recovery pace to bail them out. They of course had a place in their sides in spite of this due to their obvious genius on the ball.

While Blind is not quite as good on the ball as any of the four players I've mentioned he is still extremely competent. As things stand, Herrera is our best holding midfielder. He developed rapidly in that position last year to the point where I would prefer we keep him there rather than move him positionally again. However, the one area where I feel Blind is marginally superior is circulating the ball progressively. Herrera infuses urgency into the play, but still very occasionally will receive the ball off a defender and zip it back when he could be on the half turn and play a more positive pass. Blind, like Carrick, always knows what's around him in possession and always picks the right passing option. He doesn't display the propensity to play long diagonal passes in the air like Pogba, nor drive a relatively long pass along the ground into a strikers feet like Carrick but he provides consistently forward thinking short passes.

Blind is a very intelligent and adaptable player as seen with his ability to fill in in several positions as needed. I would imagine that as a midfielder he could easy conform to whatever tactical instruction Mourinho gives in terms of team shape. Jose will oversee a myriad of subtle little changes to his side's setup from week to week to neutralise and exploit the particular shape, strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. Blind is the kind of player who would understand and be able to execute changes quickly in this regard.

That being said, Blind does have one big mental weakness in his game. He looks to anticipate passes and is very positive with his pressing when he identifies an opportunity to win the ball back. The majority of the time this is good and leads to good tackles and interceptions. However, occasionally when he pushes out to press or intercept he leaves an opposition player in a (more) dangerous position unmarked and risks taking himself out the game and leaving his teammates exposed. It has happened at centre midfield, left back and worst of all at centre back where he is essentially last man and there is no cover behind him. He needs to better identify when he should hold his position and keep the team balanced. I do think this is also somewhat mitigated playing in midfield as the defence is then still there to offer time for the team to recover.

Blind is a good player who is best as a holding midfielder where his strengths are amplified and weaknesses alleviated. We have a stronger player for that position in the squad right now and the only reason to play him over that player would be if we were freeing him up to play further forward. I like him but I certainly wouldn't want him doing a man marking job on Eden Hazard.
Wow, :cool: essay type for your 8th post was it? welcome to the caf~

Good many on points there, and love it when you pointed out that one double-edge ability of him.

Assuming if we don't sign any new CDM, I predict Mourinho may deploy Blind there, especially since Fellaini is that risky (how many times did he cost us last season?) and Carrick's retiring. We don't have much good options at that CDM holding role. If we will sign another CDM, it'll be harder.

CDM: Herrera, Carrick, Blind?, TFM?, McTominay, Tuanzebe?.

Blind would excel the most in a midfield of three because of that tendency of him, his trademark double-edge pressing. This way, Herrera could cover him if it doesn't work, and both of them could alternate between holding their position and committed into pressing opponents to death. Both Herrera and Blind love to press hard even upfield, leaving much spaces behind exposed, but Herrera have prove he can balance it out last season.

-Pogba---Herrera-
-------Blind-------

This way, both Pogba and Blind would provides that long range cross field and forward venom passess. Herrera doesn't have that much passing range. Blind could also cover and help Pogba defensively on the left side. Both Blind and Herrera would also try and dominate the midfield with their constant high intensity pressings, intelligences, supporting movements, and defensive works right and left. One possible disadvantage is Blind's and Pogba's area of playing can overlap with one another, but this could be arrange and remedied easily by giving Pogba the free role, releasing him from that specified position LCM and let him roam here and there (Pogba at his best), and to push him more centrally, with Blind sometimes drop to the left midfield area to deliver his trademark deep crossings.
 
I like Blind. He's been a pretty good CB for us. I remember when it looked like LVG was going to start playing him there and many were (probably rightly) quite apprehensive, but he proved many wrong and did much better than expected. Albeit unconventionally at times.

His lack of pace is sometimes problematic at LB. In the attacking sense, I remember a few occasions where players were looking for an option on the left and had to take a couple of extra touches or look elsewhere while waiting for him to get on the scene. Still, it's curious considering his CB experience, and what Mourinho asked of Darmian, that he didn't establish himself there more.

Doubly curious is his alomost complete lack of opportunity at DM. He certainly has the ball winning ability, vision and passing range to do well on paper, but is let down by positional sense and discipline. Things you'd think could be more easily ironed out by one seemingly so intelligent in his play. With further experience and maturity you'd like to think he could be very good there, but get the feeling he may not be around long enough to see.

Maybe he's happy for a few years yet with his more elegant version of O'Shea kind of role, and is useful enough with his versatility to not be deemed surplus in the meantime. He's one of those players you can see shining elswhere.
 
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I do think there are some teams, and even some isolated games in this team, where he might do well as a holding midfielder. But not as a regular for me. Every time I think of this as a possibility, I am reminded of our game against Leicester in 2014/15, when we lost 5-3. In that game, Blind played as a holding midfielder and was bullied, overrun, and made to look like a boy playing amongst men. He was rarely played as the sole holding midfielder after that. Blind has some great qualities, and I am personally a big fan of his. But after that game, and a few others like it, my confidence in him fulfilling that specific role is very low.
 
I Hope He convinces Mourinho to try him in the midfeild before even trying to buy dier for a ridiculous price.
 
Does anyone even remember the last time Blind actually played in midfield for us in a competitive match? Could it have been the collapse away at Leicester early on in the 2014/15 season? You know, the one we were winning 1–3… only to end up losing 5–3.
 
Does anyone even remember the last time Blind actually played in midfield for us in a competitive match? Could it have been the collapse away at Leicester early on in the 2014/15 season? You know, the one we were winning 1–3… only to end up losing 5–3.

He played quite a lot even after that. In fact he had the highest number of interceptions in the league that season.
 
He played quite a lot even after that. In fact he had the highest number of interceptions in the league that season.

You're right, he did. Not a lot though, just 5 matches.

The last time he played in midfield was the 0–1 loss away at Shitty, when Smalling was shown a red card. The first time he played as a defender for United was in the fixture after, a 1–0 home win over Crystal Palace.

Following that win, he wasn't even on the bench for more than two months. I really don't remember why, probably because of injury though. He returned to play as a defender in what was a 0–1 home loss against Southampton, and continued to do so after that match.

It's all here:
0–1 away vs City (Sun 2 Nov 2014):
https://www.premierleague.com/match/9709 – midfielder

1–0 home vs Crystal Palace (Sat 8 Nov 2014):
https://www.premierleague.com/match/9713 – defender

0–1 home vs Southampton (Sun 11 Jan 2015):
https://www.premierleague.com/match/9820 – defender

Can be accessed through (press the down arrow under the "more" column on the left):
https://www.premierleague.com/tables?co=1&se=27&mw=-1&ha=-1

Exact positions of the players in the formation aren't visible for me on any of those pages, they're just written as midfielder, defender, etc.
 
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You're right, he did. Not a lot though, just 5 matches.

The last time he played in midfield was the 0–1 loss away at Shitty, when Smalling was shown a red card. The first time he played as a defender for United was in the fixture after, a 1–0 home win over Crystal Palace.

Following that win, he wasn't even on the bench for more than two months. I really don't remember why, probably because of injury though. He returned to play as a defender in what was a 0–1 home loss against Southampton, and continued to do so after that match.

It's all here:
0–1 away vs City (Sun 2 Nov 2014):
https://www.premierleague.com/match/9709 – midfielder

1–0 home vs Crystal Palace (Sat 8 Nov 2014):
https://www.premierleague.com/match/9713 – defender

0–1 home vs Southampton (Sun 11 Jan 2015):
https://www.premierleague.com/match/9820 – defender

Can be accessed through (press the down arrow under the "more" column on the left):
https://www.premierleague.com/tables?co=1&se=27&mw=-1&ha=-1

Exact positions of the players in the formation aren't visible for me on any of those pages, they're just written as midfielder, defender, etc.

That's mainly because he got injured for a couple of months after the September end international break and towards the end he had to fill in at LB.
 
That's mainly because he got injured for a couple of months after the September end international break and towards the end he had to fill in at LB.

I don't understand what you're trying to say and what you're responding to.
 
I think he is a bit slow getting into situations in midfield. Good with the ball no doubt, but I think his limited movement and not being strong enough to hold players off is a problem.

I like him as a ball playing central defender though. Left back he is decent as well. Good squad option to have though in many positions.
 
Blind in midfield is literally the forgotten man. He was put in a very broken midfield in his first season here (was it a mix of Herrera, Rooney and Di Maria?) in a proper system with a proper midfield that we have with Mourinho he'd be great there.
This idea of we need to buy the next flavour of the month in all the positions will get us nowhere; I'd wager he's at least as good as the likes of Fabinho, Matic and Dier in midfield.
 
I'm sure he could play in midfield, and he'd get the ball to our more able midfielders accurately and consistently. That's about it. I don't think any team aspiring to be the best around should have a player that only does this. We should expect more. He's a very good backup to have, and as long as he's happy we keep him, but he's never a starter.
 
I'm curious as to why practically nobody is talking about Daley Blind in the holding midfielder discussion. The man has a fantastic football brain, is obviously defensively sound and also is as good on the ball as anyone at the club, possibly barring Carrick and has shown himself to be a player who can handle a big game.

Yeah, it's silly season and we all like new signings with fancy names, but I'm interested in why it appears that nobody thinks that Blind can take "Carrick's spot" and make it his own for the next few years?

He has the touch and passing vision but is really lacking in the other departments in my opinon. He can play so well and the does a decisive blunder because he has no speed and strength, Carrick lacks the speed aswell because of his age but he knows how position himself to nulify his shortcomings, Blind doesn't. I like Blind but we need to fight for the league and we need better players than him in such an important position. He is a great utility player to have but that's it.
 
That's mainly because he got injured for a couple of months after the September end international break and towards the end he had to fill in at LB.

I still don't understand so I'll include your post again. I didn't ask what happened in September or several months later towards the end of the season or what exact position he played and why. It was just informative, answering my own question in the post you responded to – the question of when he last played in midfield for us.

But since you edited my post which you quoted, it altered the context and the chronology.

What I wrote:
Following that win, he wasn't even on the bench for more than two months. I really don't remember why, probably because of injury though.

What you instead quoted by removing the bolded useful part:
He wasn't even on the bench for more than two months. I really don't remember why, probably because of injury though.

He had already switched to defence before his injury, in the win against Crystal Palace. And once more, it wasn't until following that win which saw Blind absent for two months – November 2014 to January 2015. On his return, he continued playing as a defender and has done so for us ever since. Whether as LB or CB doesn't matter as neither are midfield positions.

By bringing up September, or international breaks or "towards the end"… you displaced the time of the events and how they correlated. Regardless, none of it was relevant to my post, as there was nothing in it to discuss, just gathered information from the Premier League archives.
 
Blind in midfield is literally the forgotten man. He was put in a very broken midfield in his first season here (was it a mix of Herrera, Rooney and Di Maria?) in a proper system with a proper midfield that we have with Mourinho he'd be great there.
This idea of we need to buy the next flavour of the month in all the positions will get us nowhere; I'd wager he's at least as good as the likes of Fabinho, Matic and Dier in midfield.
Yup, that diamond formation.

-------Rooney------
-Di Maria---Herrera-
-------Blind--------

All Di Maria, Herera (that early season) and Blind love to roam, not positionally disciplined and tend to press hard exposing big spaces in the midfield, easy for opponents to run over 'em all. Rooney is excluded for obv reason.

Since then, LVG changes it to... more stable, big factor is Carrick and Herrera improved helps hold the midfield better with Fellaini bombs forward.

---Fellaini---Herrera---
---------Carrick---------
 
People banging on saying "He's a decent passer but that's about it." "He'll get bullied/overrun" "He lacks pace" yadda, yadda...

He played at CB and LB and did very well, for the most part! It doesn't get much more physical and positional than CB. Also, I would much rather my holding midfielder be done for pace than my LB, yet people saying the above would rather him play at LB.

How people can say he's nothing more than a decent touch and pass player, baffles me.
 
It's funny as I didn't notice this thread yet was only thinking about Daley Blind and what his best position is, is it centre back ? Is it left back or is it as an defensive midfield anchor man shielding the back four ?

I think he's very solid to good in all three roles which is annoying as it is pleasing as he'll likely never excel into a great anything and rather be a good utility player which have their roles but I remember Jose coming in and saying he liked "specialist players for positions" which Blind isn't right now.

Currently we have Lindelof, Bailly, Rojo, Smalling, Jones and Tuanzebe in the first team so that's 6 centre backs. We have Shaw, CBJ, Mitchell and Darmian as well as Blind at left back so that's 4 or 5 in that position yet we only have one defensive midfield anchor man as well as Blind in Carrick.

Yes we're looking at Dier and Matic and Weigl and Fabinho and practically every defensive midfielder in the Europe yet other than physicality, of which he's certainly not the worst for at top clubs, I'm not sure what Blind lacks to be a great defensive midfield anchor man ?

If we get Dier this summer and it turns out to be Carrick's last season then I'd be very comfortable with Dier and Blind as our anchor man options as all they'd be there to do is shield the back four and give Herrera and but more so Pogba freedom to be release of defensive shackles and do damage up the other end of the pitch.
 
“I think the people know that I have a little bit of a preference to play left centre-back.”
 
“I think the people know that I have a little bit of a preference to play left centre-back.”

Yeah, I actually didn't think Blind prefers to play as centre-back. So when I read that article the other day, it led me to believe that perhaps Blind himself expressively has spoken to Mourinho about not wanting to play in midfield, and since Mourinho never really considered him as an option there, it has worked out perfectly. Even though he stated that he plays wherever the manager wants him, I'm personally convinced we'll never see him in midfield for United ever again, so this idea can be put to bed once and for all.

I have no clue of course, but seeing Fellaini, McTominay and Tuanzebe ahead of him in consideration for the role makes me think it's certainly a possibility. Surely he could do at least as well as them in midfield.
 
Had absolutely no idea he was at Bayern Munich now. On the bench tonight. Would be lovely to see him come on and help put one over on city.
 
Had absolutely no idea he was at Bayern Munich now. On the bench tonight. Would be lovely to see him come on and help put one over on city.
I very much doubt he'll get playing time. Would be a bit suicidal against City.