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In the end socio-economic factors and bad parenting produced "bad" kids in the main

'Bad parents' are also perhaps likely to be of a personality type where they are unable to sustain personal relationships and end up as a single parent.

Nonetheless: conservative types are not much interested in mitigating complexities like 'socioeconomic factors'. They are much more interested in black and white prejudices like 'ITS THE GAYS' or 'ITS THE DIVORCE', that make them feel morally superior.
 
Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre, to the Leveson Enquiry*, 18th July 2011:

"Certainly, thinking about some of the things that Mr Littlejohn writes in my paper, I do not know whether they are honest but they certainly get people talking."

Littlejohn alone merits 83 articles on the Tabloid Watch website, the reason being that the Mail often has to correct & clarify issues raised in his incendiary rabble-rousing:

http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/littlejohn


*EDIT: Should read "a joint parliamentary committee".
 
Sorry, that was my mistake, Al. It was actually a "joint parliamentary committee".
 
Help! I'm being oppressed! :D
 
If you weren't an admin, I would probably report the bit in bold. Clearly, I have no problem with gay people, and insinuating I do really isn't on.

a) You are a mail reader so while you are really fine with black and gay people but on the quiet you wouldn't want them as neighbors. Not unless they were a surgeon perhaps. You are that normal privileged middle class white kid who thinks he is really modern but in the end varies little from generation to generation and b) you plainly stated that you think traditional family life is under attack. You said

I understand the Mail's concern that traditional family life is under threat. I share it.

The problem with your post is that no-one has actually said anything about gay couples raising children - you've just assumed it to be a problem, which is relatively ironic.

So you think traditional family life is under attack but not from gay marriage resulting in childrearing? What are you worried about then? Illegal migrant gay whales against the bomb demanding IVF on the National Health?

If however you have no problem with gay couples raising children why are you concerned about traditional family life. This sure as shit isn't traditional but you allegedly approve or at least don't mind. Something doesn't quite ring true. And can you really say that you don't think that gay parents might corrupt their offspring? Odd Mail reader if you can.

My issue with family disintegration isn't the sex of the parents, it's the lack of them. And yes, I believe in an ideal world, every child would have both a male and female influence in their life(something which is not just parental - look at the gender ratio of primary school teachers), but I don't have a problem with gay parents. The issue here is clearly that some kids don't get the opportunity to see one of their two parents regularly.

You don't have much to do with the various varieties of blended families do you? Kids are remarkably resilient. The right of politics should be concerned that their wealth gathering and the resultant disenfranchisement of the lower socio-economic end of the spectrum is causing the social break down that is damaging kids. Love, stability and community are what kids need even if this isn't within the traditional modular family. And that included financial stability and hope for the future.
 
'Bad parents' are also perhaps likely to be of a personality type where they are unable to sustain personal relationships and end up as a single parent.

Nonetheless: conservative types are not much interested in mitigating complexities like 'socioeconomic factors'. They are much more interested in black and white prejudices like 'ITS THE GAYS' or 'ITS THE DIVORCE', that make them feel morally superior.

Agreed. Nothing is ever as simple as one thing or another.

But if you live in a nice supportive, relatively wealthy, middle class suburb you will find that kids cope far far better with blended family issues than they do when in an inner city deprived area, on average of course.

Labels are so much cheaper and easier.
 
Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre, to the Leveson Enquiry*, 18th July 2011:

Littlejohn alone merits 83 articles on the Tabloid Watch website, the reason being that the Mail often has to correct & clarify issues raised in his incendiary rabble-rousing:

http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/littlejohn


*EDIT: Should read "a joint parliamentary committee".

Reminds me of the Dan Sabbagh article on Speccie editor, Fraser Nelson, when he defended Rod Liddle.

ybe it's time to move on to Rod Liddle – who last week chucked a racially loaded term into a piece on horsemeat. Nelson says that a common reaction he gets from Spectator readers is "don't tone down Rod". He describes Liddle as "one of the best writers in the country", but one who, he admits, "our non-readers don't like". He is wary too of online criticism: "Twitter has got a habit of vastly amplifying the concerns of whose who have spent their lives being wound up. Twitter is not the vox populi; it is a very effective way of getting a point across to a journalist. But there is a temptation in politics and the media to overreact to Twitter."

That said, Fraser concedes one point – it was wrong for Liddle to write a piece ahead of the Stephen Lawrence murder trial that suggested the defendants could not get a fair trial and even made unsubstantiated accusations about Lawrence himself. Nelson takes responsibility for breaking the law of contempt: "That was a straight out-and-out mistake." Although he was away and did not proof-read the article he accepts that "every word that goes out is my personal responsibility". The piece was pulled and the Spectator was ordered to pay £5,625 in fines and compensation to the Lawrence family last June.

Nevertheless, with such writers in his employ, it is not surprising that he places much store in a "dog and lamp-post" relationship between the press and politicians. Asked about last week's announcement of a royal charter body to verify the work of a revamped Press Complaints Commission, Nelson is sceptical. "If an independent press regulator is answerable to a government-appointed 'validator', is it really independent?" he asks, worrying that the charter allows "politicians to define the parameters within which the press operate". Nelson says he won't allow the Spectator to sign up to a royal charter-backed set-up if it amounts to "any system of government licensing". He sounds still ready to be the first Leveson martyr; because somebody, after all, has to defend publishing the words of Rod Liddle.
 
Defending the indefensible there; Liddle's a bit of a standing joke even amongst the press mob. These types think their activities are 'a bit of a wheeze', and can't understand why the public sometimes takes issue with their conduct.
 
Defending the indefensible there; Liddle's a bit of a standing joke even amongst the press mob. These types think their activities are 'a bit of a wheeze', and can't understand why the public sometimes takes issue with their conduct.

Yeah. Seems these editors develop as us v them approach, batten down the hatches, and defend their writer at all costs. The hits from the article outweigh the controversy and offence caused. I actually like Fraser Nelson though, despite disagreeing with just about everything he believes. He always comes across well and his magazine, besides Liddle, is a good read. A world apart from Dacre.
 
According to an email I received, over 200,000(!) people have signed the petition calling for Richard Littlejohn to be fired out of a cannon...I mean, sacked.
 
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In tomorrow's issue: Liz Jones lives for an hour in a cardboard box outside Harvey Nichols.
 
Naturally, the Mail Online has exclusive pictures from inside the burned-out 'house of horror'...for the bloodthirsty voyeurs they assume make up their readership.
 
I cannot believe the beginning of that frontpage story; it's written as if the 'scandalous' benefits Philpott received are more important than the fact that he's a childkiller who's just been convicted (which, you'd think, would be the main, most relevant story). Apparently, continuing the War on the Poor takes priority over children's lives...
 
I really don't understand that. It's a newspaper right? Those are supposed to be news, aren't they? Or is it some sort of editorial opinion or extra Sunday magazine?

And I thought some of our newspapers are bad. The worst do choose sensationalist and crappy news, but they don't put them like that.
 
I really don't understand that. It's a newspaper right? Those are supposed to be news, aren't they? Or is it some sort of editorial opinion or extra Sunday magazine?

And I thought some of our newspapers are bad. The worst do choose sensationalist and crappy news, but they don't put them like that.
It is a newspaper, but it tends to resemble extreme right wing propaganda and hate speech more than journalism.
 
Our tabloids are notoriously awful. In America they don't really care about written news, but have some good ones, but have mental, popular TV news. In the UK we're the opposite.

Quick guide.

The Mail is the right wing nutcase paper for the wives of bankers and small village entrepreneurs who think they're better than everyone and deserve it. It specialises in scaremongering about the ill effects of liberal causes, the poor and foreigners. It thinks Britain was at it's best in the 1950s. Has a schizophrenic attitude to young girls, which it demonstrates by demonising anyone with any remote connection sexually to them, whilst constantly printing glossy sexploitation stories about the newly turned 16 daughters of celebrities. Notoriously supported both Hitler & British Fascism back in the day.

The Express is the Mail for people who think the Mail is too globally focused and aimed at people who live in small villages who aren't entrepreneurs and don't read the Mail. It hates everything that isn't British, loves the royals more than anyone, and thinks that Britain was better off in the 1950s and bits of the 1890s when we still had an empire. It thinks the EU is evil and trying to poison us all.

The Sun is the right wing nutcase paper for Working Class scafolders who like tits and their news based on people who've ended up in A&E setting fire to their own farts. Over the last decade it's followed the Mail (and then some) in focusing on gossip and reality TV to the point where almost every front page will be about non-celebs, soap stars or what was on TV last night. Has schizophrenia about scrounging working class types and scaremongers about everything the Mail does, whilst being aimed at and bought by the very same people it's scaremongering about. It thinks Britain was at it's best in the 1970s when misogynist jokes, sex comedies and light racist banter were the pinnacle of culture. It will nevertheless also witch hunt people for any misogyny or light racism, whilst also excusing it in it's editorial pages. It's the biggest selling paper in the country. Kill me.

The Star is The Sun for people who think The Sun has too much news in it. 400% of it's stories are made up and it's engaged in a permanent competition with itself to invent the most eyecathingly ridiculous made up front page headlines.

The Mirror is (or was) the left wing nutcase counter part paper to The Sun, with just as much made up bollocks and celebrity gossip only without the schizophrenia of hating the Working Class. Since Piers Morgan's tenure it's basically just been The Sun, only taking deliberately contrary positions to it.

All of these sell more than any broadsheet.

The Independent & The Times have (relatively) recently turned tabloid, but only in format. They're still ostensibly actual newspapers.
 
As for the Telegraph...on any subject, the first "Readers' Comment" will be about Europe taking us to hell in a handcart.
 
The Telegraph & The Guardian are essentially the mirror papers for the right & left wing. Both actually report news and have reporters that want to find out proper stories (though ones that reflect their bent) but to each side the other one is an evil propaganda machine. (Being liberal, I don't like the Torygraph, but respect it as a lesser evil than the above comics)

The Times also falls under this, whilst being a Murdoch paper, but still manages somehow to come out with some credibility. I've no idea how this has happened. It's also the only paper that charges people to view it's online version. Like cnuts.

There's also The Observer, but genuinely no one gives a shit about it.
 
The Sun & Telegraph are soon to introduce paywalls, chief. I don't mind the Telegraph, so I'll miss it a little.