They've bid around £10m for him according to SSN.
Crouch to Sunderland?
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Oh yeah, do the Crouch dance!
He's crap, I don't understand why clubs keep buying him.
Definately NOT crap. Would be a good signing for them.
Hope not...but Sunderland do spend a lot of money on dross.
Crouch is fecking shit, I don't give a feck how many international goals he has...he needs to be out of the premier league.
I'm not sure why this has riled me up so much
Crouch is fecking shit, I don't give a feck how many international goals he has...he needs to be out of the premier league.
I'm not sure why this has riled me up so much
OK so this is why they don't want Macheda..
It could be a good partnership with Gyan to be honest..
It could be a good partnership with Gyan to be honest..
He's still better than Pavulychenko. Or at least he gives a slight feck, which puts him well ahead.
Worse than crap.
Off to Sunderland!
-12 goals in 67 matches for Spurs in the last two seasons.
-22 goals in 85 appearances for Liverpool
Both were teams with pretty good midfields...
Overall: 57 goals in 217 PL matches
He is CRAP.
His record is irrelevent, just look at the cnut, he shouldn't be allowed to play football. Complete crap.
England: 42 appearance, 22 goals. What's your point?
He's a great striker for Sunderland and still a handful for defenses. Sunderland play a style that'll benefit him. Just hope they don't use him to blast balls against if he goes.
And he's a Heskey player - scoring goals isn't his only attribute.
I think Sunderland, unless Bruce goes, may well be heading into 15th or below. Their side is brutal.
I think they'll end up mid-table (9th-14th). They have some good defenders, and Larsson and Sessegnon are good midfielders. If they find someone to stick it in the net they'll be fine.
Much will be discovered about Brown and O'Shea. Are they good defenders in their own right, or were their performances heightened by the quality defenders they played with at United? I suspect it's a bit of both actually.
Larsson is a decent player, works hard but lacks real quality, and I think Gyan has been over-rated after the World Cup. Wickham is very raw too. Basically there are potential problems all over their squad, and now they've been beaten at home, other sides won't fear going there like they did last year. The fans want Bruce out already.
Yep he can't really dribble the ball either and he might fall over trying to do a step over.
He's fecking shit, I mean £10m for him it's a joke
Rubbish. As it stands, his team is a very solid one:
------------------Gordan------------------
Bardsley-----Brown-----Ferdinand---O'Shea
Larrson----Cattermole-Vaughan---Richardson
-------------Gyan-------Wickham---------
Subs: Richardson, Elmohamad, Bramble, Turner, Campbell, Gardner, Ji - all worthy subs.
They're mid-table easily. 8-12 this season.
It's a crap team but you haven't included Sessegnon who will definitely play. Isn't Elmohammady ahead of Bardsley as well?
Both Brown and O'Shea would walk into your sides right now. Especially Brown who is better than any of your center backs other Vermealen.
Not so sure about that.
Pav is extremely inconsistent though. Far more than Crouch.
I don't know. I've always rated O'Shea as a good utility player, but not Brown so much, but then he's rated really highly within the game. I don't deny either would get into a team ahead of Jenkinson or Traore.
A crap team compared to what? United? Chelsea? Spurs? Sure. But it can compete with Fulham and Everton throughout the year which is who they're up against.
Elmohammady is a right winger from what I've seen whereas Bardsley is a right back...
Rumours via twatter that they are trying to get rid of Gyan to Galatasaray!?
Firstly, they don't even pick Gordon. Bardsley is poor defensively, Brown hasn't really played much in ages, Ferdinand is average, O'Shea is useful.
Larsson is average, Cattermole is just a destroyer and nothing more, Vaughan is again average and Richardson isn't a top ten player. Gyan has done little in club football and Wickham is raw.
You can't have Richardson on the pitch and on the bench, Elmohomady is awful, Bramble and Turner are lower end PL defenders, Campbell is dire, Gardner is OK and I've never seen Ji play so I'll reserve judgement.
It's hardly a bundle of excellence. There's a bit of a myth surrounding Bruce at Sunderland - he's been poor given the money he's spent.
According to some stat I just found on a random site, Crouch and Pav played the same amount of games last season, but Pav scored more. Seems more consistent to me.
Mate - you're comparing them to who? That starting line up is easily a mid-table team. Name me a line up from one of the mid-table teams that'll destroy them.. And all mid-table and below players are going to have something wrong with them - hence why they aren't top 6 material. Bardsley isn't a "great" defender, but he's good enough.
Average players = mid table. Rarely will a mid table team have a wonderful player.
And Richardson added in the bench was an oversight. And Gordon plays for them when he's fit (which is rare).
I'm comparing them to teams like Newcastle and Bolton who finished in the 12-14th range. I reckon both those sides have more quality than them right now. Gyan is going to Galatasary now, and Crouch coming in won't help. We'll see at the end of the season, but I don't see how they'll finish around 10th. I'm going with 15th if Bruce is there 'til the end of the season.
Brown would start ahead of Koscielny and O'Shea ahead of Gibbs. Hence both would be in your starting XI regardless.
Also O'Shea being a utility player is an outdated myth. Since about 2007 he's played in midfield and central defence probably a handful of times for us. He's been a full back in 90% of his games, primarily on the right hand side unless we've been resting Evra.
He was first choice RB for us in 08-09 and started 09-10 as that before he was struck down by injury. His versatility will mean that people underrate his ability.
Ahead of Mertesacker? How good is O'Shea at left back? I always preferred him at CB.
I've added a bit more to my post.
But maybe over Mertesacker. Brown is a very good defender in his own right though, Mertesacker could easily be found out for his lack of mobility in the premier league.
O'Shea has rarely played in the centre for us, moreso for Ireland. He was outstanding at LB when he came through going forward. Now he's very solid defensively but always got stick at LB for taking his eye of the ball a lot and hitting crosses into the first man. He's perhaps too limited in that sense to be first choice for a top team but his leadership and positional skills will be top class for Sunderland there.
But maybe over Mertesacker. Brown is a very good defender in his own right though, Mertesacker could easily be found out for his lack of mobility in the premier league.
O'Shea has rarely played in the centre for us, moreso for Ireland. He was outstanding at LB when he came through going forward. Now he's very solid defensively but always got stick at LB for taking his eye of the ball a lot and hitting crosses into the first man. He's perhaps too limited in that sense to be first choice for a top team but his leadership and positional skills will be top class for Sunderland there.
Is Wes Brown a 'good defender in his own right'? Come on Al, keep up.
Fergie always said that Brown was the best natural defender he had at the club
It's difficult to say with Brown because he's played such a small amount of football over the last couple of years. If we were having this debate in 08, there'd be no debate to have.
When I said O'Shea was a utility player, I meant that he was a player who wasn't necessarily first choice in any position, but who could fill in anywhere if needed, but as you say, full back was primarily where he got most games.
By the way, for what it's worth, I rate Koscielny - I just don't think any defender looks good playing for Arsenal with the combination of a very high line and attacking style of play.
I said earlier he was well regarded within the game. I personally don't believe that Ferguson really thinks that - Ferdinand and Vidic are fantastic 'natural' defenders.
I think that quote dates back to before Vidic's time at the club...
Yeah, it's strange but he's looked really good at CB when paired with Dunne for Ireland. Whether or not that's a reflection on the quality of the opposition is arguable but with his experience I reckon he could do a good job for them in the middle.