Cristiano Ronaldo

Really appreciate him, alot!

In the Debecan away game, despite the awful pitch that caused Neville his groin injury, Ron gave his all, speeding with the ball-when he got it, didn't look like worrying about any injuries compared to the others who were quite conscious imo. I always thought he tried everything he could do and gave his best performances on match days. Couldn't fault him for effort and his determinations to do something for the team. I don't remember him "falling over easily" in pre-season matches and was very please about that, not sure why it creeps back again. As for the imaginary card waving, like others i don't like it one bit but why was he singled out?
Heinze did it too, if i remember correctly, only he was standing while doing it!
 
Looking Busy said:
He'd be an even bigger star if he stayed on his fecking feet. I'm sick of seeing him dive all the time. It will take at least 3 season now for him to get rid of this tag. Fergie needs to sort it out, the way he did with Ruud
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so how many examples do you have of ruud diving or cheating in his Man Utd career? i will look forward to some real examples???
 
miah said:
As for the imaginary card waving, like others i don't like it one bit but why was he singled out?
Heinze did it too, if i remember correctly, only he was standing while doing it!
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I haven't seen Heinze do it... If he does then he's a Deco-esque clown as well. If it was up to me people who do that would be booked themselves.
 
I watched the live match, replay and several highlights before I saw it, the camera wasn't exactly forcusing on Heinze, he was backfacing it and he did this really fast imaginary card waving with his left hand.
 
heinze did it,keano chose to talk to the ref instead, etc etc.
ronaldo is the one that gets the stick, it has been like that for quite some time. i think some of the reason for that is due to the odds of him going to spain. for fecks sake, who hasnt done it ? have you never played a football match and been kicked to the ground by the same player several times without the ref doing anything ? the result is the same "eyh ref, that should be a yellow card". what is the difference between waving your hands and shouting for him to be booked, what you want is still the same.

the same people who bash ronaldo for going down easy are the same who ignore it when ruud does the same, and lets not pretend he has never done anything like that.

ronaldo is one of our most talented players, he always gives his best and he doesnt give up. he`s the most fouled player in the premiership, still he gets up and continues to do what he does best. tackle him, he`ll get up and try again.he doesnt go away like reyes,robben or pires, he just keeps going.
against milan, when all the other senior players were scared to take on the oppositions,ronaldo was the only one that actually tried to do something.
still he gets even more stick than david bellion,miller and fletcher.

he always gives his best and he should get our full support.
trust fergie to take care of the going down quite easy part.
 
This boy is already a star at such a young age. Unfortunately, some nuts in this forum has been slagging him off as a diver, which is a real shame. I also don't think he recieves as much appreciation as rooney because he's not english. IMO he is as good as rooney and vice versa. The way some fans are giving him the stick(diving,poor decision making etc.) these days is simply disgusting, especially if you think how important and influential he has been for us ever since he came here. I mean sure he has flaws, everyone does(rooney at times does try to take on players when the most sensible option would be to hold the ball up, but why don't people give him the stick?), but we all have to remember that he's still a youngster.He's only going to improve and get better.The boy's a genius and can spark a game to life. He has what it takes to win games for us. I do think he is one day going to win the world player of the year award. Common people, quit slagging him, instead appreciate him for what he has done for us and what he is going to do for us. Without him, we would not be as good.I am thankful that he plays for us, and not against us.
 
Plechazunga said:
It's fantastic having a player who can take on and beat 3 men...just fantastic to watch

But I agree with what Lynott said...plus his constant cheating is fecking embarrassing. He needs to sort it out.
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Please explain to me how he has cheated this season? Or are you one of those who joined the ronaldo bashing club just because you wanted to follow the trend? An opposition hacks you(whether lightly or with great force) and you go down because it unbalances you- How is that a dive? Please enlighten me, I really do not understand people who call him a cheat? Fergie thinks that when ronaldo goes down, he is doing something right. Would you call fergie a cheat supporter then?People also complain that he whigns when he goes down and should get on with it. How bout when rooney is brought down and is not given a foul- he goes up surrounding the ref and starts whigning(with his four letter tirade), would you call him a cheat also?I don't think so, because he's english. When rooney went down against arsenal last season without getting touched, people didn't talk about it. Why these double standards? I am seriously beginning to think united fans do not appreciate flair players as much as they appreciate hardworking players. Veron wasn't as bad as some people labelled him as crap(again he was a flair player). Kleberson wasn't given much of a chance and people slagged him off(again a flair player). Now ronaldo is getting some stick. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets to him and he decides to move on. The treatment of him has been awful to say the least.
 
I think Ronaldo goes down alittle more easily than say Rooney, because Ronaldo is always running fast, at higher speeds it is more easy to go down with just the smallest of touches.

Against Newcastle, the ref probably got one decision right, the rest were all wrong. But Ronaldo has a reputation now of being a diver and that is evident with this thread so he is hardly ever going to get more than 1-2 calls a game.

It really is a shame that refs take views on free kicks not by the actual nature of the foul, but by who the foul was committed on.

RVN/Given penalty incident, if that was any other player, that would have been a penalty all the time. (Well maybe any other player besides Ronaldo :) )
 
Freak said:
Please explain to me how he has cheated this season? Or are you one of those who joined the ronaldo bashing club just because you wanted to follow the trend? An opposition hacks you(whether lightly or with great force) and you go down because it unbalances you- How is that a dive? Please enlighten me, I really do not understand people who call him a cheat? Fergie thinks that when ronaldo goes down, he is doing something right. Would you call fergie a cheat supporter then?People also complain that he whigns when he goes down and should get on with it. How bout when rooney is brought down and is not given a foul- he goes up surrounding the ref and starts whigning(with his four letter tirade), would you call him a cheat also?I don't think so, because he's english. When rooney went down against arsenal last season without getting touched, people didn't talk about it. Why these double standards? I am seriously beginning to think united fans do not appreciate flair players as much as they appreciate hardworking players. Veron wasn't as bad as some people labelled him as crap(again he was a flair player). Kleberson wasn't given much of a chance and people slagged him off(again a flair player). Now ronaldo is getting some stick. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets to him and he decides to move on. The treatment of him has been awful to say the least.
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Right, let's take it from the top...

He cheated by diving all the time, especially against Newcastle

No I'm not following a trend, I'm a huge fan of his but have never like him, or anyone else, cheating

Sometimes he goes down cos someone unbalances him...other times he just goes down. He's not the only one, but he does it an awful lot.

If Fergie encourages him to do it, then yes he is a cheat too...it's not 'kin rocket science

Rooney doesn't whinge...he screams like a badly traumatised ape...Ronaldo, like Giggs, whinges like a fanny. I wish Rooney wouldn't do that either. But whinging isn't cheating...which you seem confused, and emotional, about.

It's not about him being English. My favourite united players include Keane, MacGrath, Giggs, Hughes, Schmeichel, Kanchelskis...none of them English.

When Rooney went down against Arsenal, there were in fact endless threads about it for days. My view was that it was cheating, and a shitty way to win a football match...though quite amusing given the opposition, especially Monsieur Pires. Rooney dives about a twentieth of the amount Ronaldo does though.

United fans love flair players...Charlton, Best, MacIlroy, Giggs, Cantona, even Beckham... you'll find them all in people's lists of all-time favourites. Though yes we do tend to appreciate players who show both flair and passion/toughness/hard work...in my view none of these virtues is more important than the others.

Veron was shite for us

Kleberson isn't a flair player, for Brazil he played the watercarrier role...and he was never going to make it at Man United

I doubt Ronaldo reads web forums and he gets full support from United fans at the games

But yes, I agree with you he will probably leave United within the next two years. Shame, he is a sublime talent.
 
Plechazunga said:
He cheated by diving all the time, especially against Newcastle
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Please define your version as dive? Because as far as I know, diving is when someone DOESN'T touch you and you go down. In the newcastle match, ronaldo went down after he was TOUCHED, how is that ever diving?
 
Look, if you fall over, when you can help it, that's a dive.

If you're fouled and can't help falling over, and fall over, that's not a dive.

If you're fouled and can help falling over, and fall over, that's a dive.

If you're not fouled but can't help falling over, and fall over, that's not a dive.

If you're not fouled and can help falling over, and fall over, that's a dive.

Basically, if you deliberately fall over...ie dive...that's a dive.

And no it doesn't include diving for headers.
 
In my opinion its very hard to tell. When a player's game is base on running at full speed, even slighest touch can make them fall over.
Abouth flair player though, I recalled Maradonna dive alot too. But can't blame him there since most player just aim to take him down during a match, just a way to protect himself.
 
The accusations about Ronaldo's diving may be a tad exaggerated. His speed and style of play does invite the nasty tackles (defenders have egos too), but he does do the odd dive or three when he's either not completely on top of his game and therefore frustrated or when he knows he's lost control of the ball. That infuriates most fans, because for his talent and abilities, he has absolutely no need to do that. Things like this stick on the minds of referees and will work against him when he is actually fouled. He needs to cut out this part of his game...now.
 
suresh said:
The accusations about Ronaldo's diving may be a tad exaggerated. His speed and style of play does invite the nasty tackles (defenders have egos too), but he does do the odd dive or three when he's either not completely on top of his game and therefore frustrated or when he knows he's lost control of the ball. That infuriates most fans, because for his talent and abilities, he has absolutely no need to do that. Things like this stick on the minds of referees and will work against him when he is actually fouled. He needs to cut out this part of his game...now.
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But thats the thing, refs should judge each incident seperately not judge it by who got fouled. But the other funny thing is, if the ref does not think it was a foul, shouldn 't the play get a yellow card for diving?

Surely Ronaldo should have been booked for diving when Carr "did not" foul him.
 
United 4 Life said:
But thats the thing, refs should judge each incident seperately not judge it by who got fouled. But the other funny thing is, if the ref does not think it was a foul, shouldn 't the play get a yellow card for diving?

Surely Ronaldo should have been booked for diving when Carr "did not" foul him.
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The refereeing issue is a rather complex one. It's all very easy to call them wankers(or some other suitably nasty insult) when decisions go against us but one has to remember they're as human and as fallible as us. Players diving and cheating all the times I suppose does annoy them and hence the reluctance to give fouls against the more notorious of the culprits, which if one thinks carefully, is actually very wrong and as you correctly pointed out, each incident has to be judged on it's own merit. Easier said than done, that. Especially when the decision has to be made in a fraction of a second and at the heat of the moment. Throw in FIFA's reluctance to introduce video evidence and constant changing of rules (which is quite often baffling even to the most knowledgable of football fan), and the job becomes well nigh impossible.

I think the problem should be tackled two-fold. Clubs should stop encouraging players to cheat (one just has to revisit Mourinho's UEFA and CL winning Porto team for evidence of systematic cheating) and the relevant authorities should ensure referees trusted to officiate a match are, at the very least, competent.
 
suresh said:
The refereeing issue is a rather complex one. It's all very easy to call them wankers(or some other suitably nasty insult) when decisions go against us but one has to remember they're as human and as fallible as us. Players diving and cheating all the times I suppose does annoy them and hence the reluctance to give fouls against the more notorious of the culprits, which if one thinks carefully, is actually very wrong and as you correctly pointed out, each incident has to be judged on it's own merit. Easier said than done, that. Especially when the decision has to be made in a fraction of a second and at the heat of the moment. Throw in FIFA's reluctance to introduce video evidence and constant changing of rules (which is quite often baffling even to the most knowledgable of football fan), and the job becomes well nigh impossible.

I think the problem should be tackled two-fold. Clubs should stop encouraging players to cheat (one just has to revisit Mourinho's UEFA and CL winning Porto team for evidence of systematic cheating) and the relevant authorities should ensure referees trusted to officiate a match are, at the very least, competent.
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Agreed.
 
An appreciation thread quickly turned into a "Ronaldo the diver" accuse thread, which is the truly embarassing thing. :mad:
 
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