Everyone will be fine in that scenario, fans are fickle.
You wonder why we are only serious about the anti-glazers protests after a bad run of games.
Cristiano Ronaldo: Set to leave by mutual agreement
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You wonder why we are only serious about the anti-glazers protests after a bad run of games.
Making the manager deal with him would undermine his authority and probably ETH's tenure with the club. We finally have the right guy in charge, no way I would undercut my manager. Your suggestion sounds like a Glazer move.
What I would do is take half a season of scoring opportunity from him. Ban him and hold his rights, pay him but don't let him play. That would be the best way to hurt him. That is how much I detest him right now.
Found another one.
No more ex gf analogies please... For the love of god
No they wouldn't, he can still feck off.
Please no, I can’t take any more
Of course not, I hated him long long before this
That's what her boyfriend said.
How does saying the fans are fickle make me a fanboy? Ronaldo can feck off and never be mentioned again with us.
Old Trafford applauded him after his summer antics. I wouldn't be surprised if he's welcomed again.
Sorry, misunderstood you, cheers.
Great. Shit on the fans instead to protect Ronaldo.
The club statement confirming termination of contract can't come soon enough. Hopefully this week.
Where's the protection for Ronaldo in my post?
What are you talking about? No, he could score 20 goals in the WC and tattoo EtH`s face on his chest to show how sorry he is, i would still hate to see him back at the club.
The chance that he feels sorry is lower than him being stop scorer at world cup.
He’s undermined the manager. There is no way back from that. His position at the club is untenable.
Perhaps, but there's no way having Ronaldo around didn't compound their issues. Wherever he's gone, especially in the last few years, the rest of the front line struggle. So you can't isolate last season from a pattern that has been demonstrated again and again
Martial absolutely stunk on loan at Sevilla btw.
And saying wherever he’s gone, “the frontline has struggled” is a very lazy assessment that has been debunked time and time again.
Do you have a penchant for masochism?
But he thinks for himself.
This.
Has it?
Every previously productive player in our frontline was worse once Ronaldo joined - including Greenwood for the time he was here.
Same thing happened at Juventus. You can hide your head under the sand if you want here, but this is a definite pattern.
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yep. and we already had cavani to play that predatory role around the box. when ronaldo came cavani basically sat on his hole for a season doing nothing. ronaldo's signing was ill-conceived and rash. i think now, we should all just put it behind us and never speak of it again.
Tell us you haven't been to OT for a while without telling us you haven't been to OT for a while.
A pattern because it happened at one club in one season?
At Juventus they averaged roughly the same number of goals scored while he was there as to prior to him arriving. He also played with geriatric strikers in Mandzukic & Higuain who have since retired.
Morata scored 20 goals in 20/21 when playing alongside Ronaldo compared to 16 the season before while playing for Atletico in the same number of appearances.
On average they registered more than 10 less goals than they did in 17/18. But most importantly, it means that Ronaldo didn't add to the team but took goals from players that were already in the team.
17/18 was an anomalous season. They outperformed their xG that year. Check every other year prior to Ronaldo’s arrival - they scored a similar amount of goals. They scored even less goals after he left.
And it really doesn’t mean Ronaldo didn’t add to the team. It’s a lot more nuanced than that. For more than half of the 2010s they had a midfield of Pogba - Marchisio - Pirlo - Vidal.
When Ronaldo arrived he had Matuidi, Khedira, Bentancur and a declining Pjanic behind him. 3/4 of those players are either retired or playing in MLS/Turkey less than 3 years on.
I don't really care about every other year and there is zero point going back to pre 2015 because it is irrelevant to the team Juventus had when they purchased Ronaldo. The reality of the matter is that at best Ronaldo added nothing, that best scenario is the one that you chose in your defense of Ronaldo. You don't see how problematic it is? A player that requires special treatment adds nothing.
You don’t see how problematic it is reducing a complex scenario to something as binary as “they added Ronaldo and they didn’t score more so he must not have added anything?”
Most Juve fans admit the Ronaldo signing wasn’t just a mistake because of the financial ramifications and impact his wage and fee had on the institution but also because the team provided for him wasn’t good enough to compete with the very best. He did his job.
And btw, the debate was that he affected their frontline. But clearly even after he’s left they’ve been even worse in attack despite signing Vlahovic for €80M so it’s evidently not a Ronaldo centric issue.
You are the one who reduced this complex scenario but now that it doesn't suit your point it's a problem. But answer this question, why should Ronaldo in 2018 or any following years have a team provided to him? That's the issue that you keep ignoring the problem is that instead of playing as a team, teams are expected to play for Ronaldo to the detriment of everyone.
First of all - Ronaldo will never do that. And in a way - I would lose respect for him if he did. He came out all guns blazing - and in a way I respect him for being honest, even if he went about it as wrong as you possible can. But regardless - it has gone too far to ever be fixed
Thats exactly what i said. Glazers would never take the loss of 14mil to make a point.
Ronaldo fan boys probably be his water carriers if they cought him shagging their missus. Its so ridiculous. Its every where from Twitter to fb even to my workgroup.
No because he’d still be crap for us.
That's a good point as well. He choose war and will reap the rewards, and while that’s sad it is also a straightforward way of dealing with things for everyone involved. There is no respectable way back, neither for Ronaldo nor for the club.
Where did I do that exactly? Ronaldo wasn’t holding back Juve’s frontline for many reasons. I gave one of many. How is their attack doing now he’s gone?
And providing a good team for Ronaldo doesn’t mean playing for him. I didn’t say that. You’re conflating two fundamentally different things. Having a competitive squad is kind of what you’d want for a world level player? Same thing people say for Messi and Barca in his final seasons?
First bolded sentence is answered by the second one and you used the same logic in your previous posts. That a reduction of the complex scenario that you alluded to, it also doesn't Ronaldo since he added nothing compared to the players that you happily considered as has beens or below par.
And I'm not conflating a thing, if you say that something is provided to something/someone you are saying that it's made for that person, that's the meaning of that term.
Yes he’s human, but as a human he’s taken multiple pot shots at the club and his coach. I doubt ETH wants to work with him anymore, correct in my opinion.
then there’s what our eyes tell us, Ronaldo can’t or won’t work in this system. I think age may be catching up with him too.
Ronaldo is done at this club. He can take his shrinking fan boy club with him to his next destination. He’s ruined how he will now be remembered by the bulk of United fans
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