Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

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I'm confident my position my position isn't in any way extreme because no one was whinging when he was knocking in the goals last year despite being on a terrible, languid team with a space cadet of a manager. Its very rational to not get rid of something without replacing it, in fact some might argue it is incredibly negligent and incompetent to do so. Therefore we have to leave open the possibility that he may stay, and if he does, we should get behind him instead of squealing like tortured animals each time he doesn't press.
True. Problem is with his staying all the drama that surrounds him stays and how he will accept a role from the bench.
 
If he leaves, it would make sense to dangle a loan for Ajax to sweeten the pot for more favorable numbers on the Antony deal.

If only...


We have literally won multiple leagues and a CL off the back of his goals so that is obviously nonsense. Even at his current age, he would be able contribute more goals than any other player. Rashford has barely cracked 20 in his career and Martial has cracked 20 once in his 7 years here, which is just not good enough. Even if Ronaldo left, we would still need to buy a proper striker who can contribute the necessary amount of goals to win the league, which would be closer to what Salah and Kane contribute.


14 years ago he was not only a better athlete but also had 14 years less baggage and ego inflation.

Salah, who you mentioned is not only a goalscorer but an integral cog in the Liverpool game plan, the criticism of Ronaldo, his goals and tantrums is that he is the exact opposite.

There are only 11 players and increasingly with improved tactical organisation and physicality you can't 'carry' anyone, even with those goals.
 
This is not a coincidence. Everyone suffers so he can score goals, it's a demonstratable fact. Benzema had only exceeded 30 goals once in 9 seasons playing with Ronaldo, done it in 3 of 4 since he left. His goals per game ratio with Ronaldo - 1 in 2.15 games. Since Ronaldo left - 1 in 1.47 games.

He needs to go. Simple fact. The team will absolutely improve without him here.

Lets not complicate this by suggesting that football is a team game and that a player can both score lots of goal but be a massive net detriment to the team. That sounds almost like you're one of those people who think that if we took Ronaldo out of the team we wouldn't suddenly completely lose all of his goals and be near the bottom of the table.

This is why plenty of fans thought bringing Ronaldo back was a fecking awful idea. He is quite literally the big change between the previous season and this one. The big change that sent us from a functional mess to a completely dysfunctional mess.

Ronaldo is a player who would rather lose and score a hattrick than win and not be on the score sheet. He plays for himself. The other 10 men are just his backup dancers and he is the superstar.

The sooner he is gone the better.
 
The argument that he's still such a great player because he's carried United and Juve the last couple of seasons as everyone else floundered is proving the point that the "Get rid" group are saying. Everyone else suffers a mark drop off in form because of him.
The season prior to Ronaldo's arrival:
Cavani - 17 goals
Martial - 7
Rashford - 21
Greenwood - 12
Fernandes - 28
Even McTominay (7), Pogba (6) and James (5).

Last season:
Cavani - 2 (-15)
Martial - 1 (-6)
Rashford - 5 (-16)
Greenwood - 6 (-6)
Fernandes - 10 (-16)
Even McTominay (2), Pogba (1) and James (0)

Are people so blinded by their worship of Ronaldo they are willing to discount that and pretend it's total coincidence every single other players form fell off a cliff the second he arrived?? 76 fewer goals scored amongst that group of 8 players? Really??! I get that Martial, James and Greenwood's seasons for United ended half way through but only Greenwood was on to match his previous tally, the other two had 1 goal between them at that point.

Look at Juve, compared to the previous season with Ronaldo, Dybala dropped from 26 goals to 10, Cuadrado from 5 to 1, Costa 6 to 1, Bernadeschi 5 to 3, Khedria 9 to 2, Pjanic 7 to 4, Matuidi 4 to 3; only Mandzukic stayed the same at 10 goals both seasons.

This is not a coincidence. Everyone suffers so he can score goals, it's a demonstratable fact. Benzema had only exceeded 30 goals once in 9 seasons playing with Ronaldo, done it in 3 of 4 since he left. His goals per game ratio with Ronaldo - 1 in 2.15 games. Since Ronaldo left - 1 in 1.47 games.

He needs to go. Simple fact. The team will absolutely improve without him here.
There’s so many things wrong with this post that I don’t even have time to dissect and debunk.

Yes, Ronaldo is responsible for any dip in form that any player has ever shown around him. Let’s ignore every other factor and nuance.

Just Ronaldo being on the pitch made geriatric midfielders like Khedira and Matuidi score 1 or 2 less goals per season. He made Martial score 5 league goals in 3 seasons and 0 on loan at Sevilla. Just the thought of him having to come back to the dressing room with Ronaldo made him not perform or score any goals. His mere presence made Rashford forget how to play football.
He made Pjanic decline and move to Turkey. He made Benzema score less goals than fecking Ramos in the season they last played together. His smell still lingers in the Juve changing rooms which is what made them score less last season then any season he was there even though he was no longer even in the country.
 
The real drama starts next June. I think we won't extent. So where does he go?
It’s a different ball game when he’s a free transfer. He’ll at least have some options in that case.
 
I was certain he'd be at Sporting right about now, to be honest. I wonder that's the hold up there, exactly? They don't want him or he doesn't want them? I'm sure we'd sell him for €15M to them, which is a fair price all things considered. They are in the CL, Portuguese club, his former one at that. It all makes sense unless he adamantly refuses to lower his wages to an acceptable level. Which doesn't make sense considering his main sources of income are off the pitch and he is already a billionaire.

Weird.
 
I was certain he'd be at Sporting right about now, to be honest. I wonder that's the hold up there, exactly? They don't want him or he doesn't want them? I'm sure we'd sell him for €15M to them, which is a fair price all things considered. They are in the CL, Portuguese club, his former one at that. It all makes sense unless he adamantly refuses to lower his wages to an acceptable level. Which doesn't make sense considering his main sources of income are off the pitch and he is already a billionaire.

Weird.
He might see them as his last resort. Try for a top club till the very end and go to sporting if that doesn't work
 
I get that Martial, James and Greenwood's seasons for United ended half way through but only Greenwood was on to match his previous tally...
The thing I noticed about Greenwood that season, he always took a shot on goal whenever he had any chance of scoring, no matter how minuscule. Everyone else looked for Ronaldo first. I initially thought it was because Greenwood was the only one confident/arrogant enough to refuse to kowtow to Ronaldo, but I think it's more likely now that he just has issues with self-restraint.
 
It’s a different ball game when he’s a free transfer. He’ll at least have some options in that case.

In Europe for the kind of clubs he wanted this summer? I don't think so.

If we somehow get CL this season with him staying, he'll want the club to activate his extension.
 
There’s so many things wrong with this post that I don’t even have time to dissect and debunk.

Yes, Ronaldo is responsible for any dip in form that any player has ever shown around him. Let’s ignore every other factor and nuance.

Just Ronaldo being on the pitch made geriatric midfielders like Khedira and Matuidi score 1 or 2 less goals per season. He made Martial score 5 league goals in 3 seasons and 0 on loan at Sevilla. Just the thought of him having to come back to the dressing room with Ronaldo made him not perform or score any goals. His mere presence made Rashford forget how to play football.
He made Pjanic decline and move to Turkey. He made Benzema score less goals than fecking Ramos in the season they last played together. His smell still lingers in the Juve changing rooms which is what made them score less last season then any season he was there even though he was no longer even in the country.

:lol:
 
It is shocking that no one willing to take the GOAT. And for the man with his experience he should has something lined up first before he created big hoo ha that he wants to leave for CL football.

It's fair that he want to leave to play in the best football competition but he has forgotten the basic that he needs to look for a club willing to buy and pay his salary.
 
He might see them as his last resort. Try for a top club till the very end and go to sporting if that doesn't work

down to the last week now. that last resort option not really making any inroads

seems like he will stay and be used in games where we don't need to press so much from the front.
 
I wonder if it's been a bit of a humbling experience for him the fact that nobody actually wants him.

Probably not.
 
It is shocking that no one willing to take the GOAT. And for the man with his experience he should has something lined up first before he created big hoo ha that he wants to leave for CL football.

It's fair that he want to leave to play in the best football competition but he has forgotten the basic that he needs to look for a club willing to buy and pay his salary.
A narcissist always assumes that he is highly desired. The possibility that he is not wanted is unthinkable.
 
His options are.
1. Stay here, knuckle down, play the way the manager wants him to play and accept that he isn't a guaranteed starter anymore.
2. Leave and take a massive pay cut. Even then I don't think that many clubs would want the drama that comes with him.

Ronaldo WAS a great player, however he's now at a point in his career where he doesn't have what is required to play at the very highest level.
I really hope we move him on before the transfer window closes.
 
Rangers as well, Dinamo Zagreb anyone?
Isn't he Sporting Lisabon man? Don't see him going to Benfica.

Rangers is a good shout!

I mean they signed Ramsey from Juventus so its not that unrealistic!
It would be a throwback to the 90's when they signed the likes of Gazza and Brian Laudrup!

I'm not sure his ego would allow him to move to The Scottish league though!
 
There's Ronaldo derangement syndrome from both sides of the fence - from his fanboys and his haters, both of which have been fairly consistent over the past two decades. My position is fairly centrist and rational in that you don't get rid of a good player who can contribute the biggest commodity in the game (goals) and not replace that with someone who has similar output. Had we signed a proper striker, it would be a no brainer that we let him go. In the absence of that, it would be professional negligence to let him go without making up for what we are losing by letting him leave.

Agree with this completely. He's a good player. The hatred of him is way over the top. The fanboys way over the top also. There is definitely a path for him to remain a club legend and be considered one for his second stint alone. It needs to be weighed up against the circus caused. Personally, I think if he buys in he could be invaluable. I still think he will feck off by the end of the window though. No idea where to, but from Bruno's comments it just seems like the writing is on the wall.
 
The biggest issue with Ronaldo is him figuring out what type of player he is now. There's lots of comments about him being a focus up top but the opposite is true, he now comes too deep and wants to be involved in linking up play.

He's capable of playing that attacking midfield role well but he's far better staying up front and sniffing out opportunities for a goal. He'll be a useful option so hopefully he stays.
 
Do you legitimately believe he played well last season? Genuinely?
Obviously he had his stretches of poor form but he was far and away better than anyone else on our highly dysfunctional team barring De Gea. So if you’re saying he’s no good then you may aswell throw the rest of the team in the bin then.
Last season he was 3rd topscorer in the league playing for a significantly worse side than the 2 guys ahead of him and just scored 5 goals less than them.

He won premier league POTM on 2 occasions (more than anyone else in the league).

He won goal of the month for April and was contender on at least 2 other occasions.
He scored virtually all of our PL goals between Feb and May 2022.

You’ll now bring me intangibles of how he stifles the team’s play or others can’t score because of him etc.

But the numbers simply don’t lie. He was the only somewhat decent one out of a disastrous season as flawed as he was last year. But seems like you’re ready to excuse everybody else for being poor and point the blame at Ronaldo.
 
You’ll now bring me intangibles like how he stifles the team’s play or others can’t score because of him etc (ridiculous).

Do you believe Sancho and Rashford will score more goals playing a full season with Martial up top or with Ronaldo up top?
 
Obviously he had his stretches of poor form but he was far and away better than anyone else on our highly dysfunctional team barring De Gea. So if you’re saying he’s no good then you may aswell throw the rest of the team in the bin then.
Last season he was 3rd topscorer in the league playing for a significantly worse team than the 2 guys ahead of him and just scored 5 goals less than them.

He won premier league POTM on 2 occasions (more than anyone else in the league).

He won goal of the month for April and was contender on at least 2 other occasions.
He scored virtually all of our PL goals in 2022.

You’ll now bring me intangibles like how he stifles the team’s play or others can’t score because of him etc (ridiculous).

But the numbers simply don’t lie. He was the only somewhat decent one out of a disastrous season as flawed as he was last year. But seems like you’re ready to excuse everybody else for being poor and point the blame at Ronaldo.
Actually I think they were all shit, I’ve not excused anyone. He very much was awful, including in the majority of games he scored, it doesn’t gloss over him being bad that he occasionally toe pokes his 749th shot of the game in.

But at least you’re passionate about something. Unfortunately for you you’re stuck following a side where he’s in the fans bad books for another year.
 
Do you believe Sancho and Rashford will score more goals playing a full season with Martial up top or with Ronaldo up top?
The big issue is that he doesn’t press. He had 5 minutes to run around against pool and couldn’t even be arsed to do that.
That completely fecks up the whole strategy before a ball is kicked. We cannot afford a passenger when out of possession.
Martial to his credit (and I’m far from his biggest fan ;) ) seems to have knuckled down in the respect so far this season.
 
He's got about a week to come to terms with dropping his wages and tempting another club. United and him could terminate the contract and he moves to a second tier CL team. Can you imagine what he'd be like here if Messi was bagging goals in the group stages.

Even it means him only getting 50-100k a week at Sporting he should do it, stop the with pretense and get a move done so we can get a player in.
 
Do you believe Sancho and Rashford will score more goals playing a full season with Martial up top or with Ronaldo up top?
Depends. Martial compliments them a lot better but not sure he can be relied upon for a season.

In an ideal world, they would score more with Martial ignoring other factors that come into play.

Regardless, they could have and should have definitely done better than they did last year irrespective of who they were playing with.
 
The big issue is that he doesn’t press. He had 5 minutes to run around against pool and couldn’t even be arsed to do that.
That completely fecks up the whole strategy before a ball is kicked. We cannot afford a passenger when out of possession.
Martial to his credit (and I’m far from his biggest fan ;) ) seems to have knuckled down in the respect so far this season.

It is in part about pressing but also just look at Rashford's goal.

Ronaldo in all likelihood would have either been outmuscled by the defender or at best the ball would have bounced off him in the vague direction of a red shirt who was under pressure.
 
I might be wrong…but weren't there a few stories from the juve dressing room following his move that it instantly became a better environment without him?
 
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