Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)
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Maguire being relatively decent? Even when you hate Ronaldo that much, your post still need some balance there. One is our player of the season and our only player who got into PL team of the season, the other was one of our very worst player last season, and got booed everywhere outside England.
I think you're exaggerating his playmaking impact there, to be honest.
He created the 2nd most big chances behind Bruno & didn't even come close to 2nd most in assists. Anyone that actually watched our games could see he was one of our most creative players. I'm not calling him de Bruyne but the idea that the team created less because of him is insane.
Haaland (22y, 23goals) & Mbappe (23y, 33goals) may do it in his lifetime. He needs to make it harder for them.
Agree. I hope we're not paying him while he's on vacation.
I'm sorry but claiming Maguire has been relatively decent in comparison to Ronaldo is peak red-tint delusion. RAWK level 9000.
He can easily afford to buy out his contract, heck I’d imagine we’d probably go 50/50 with him - so cough up about 13m Ronnie and you’re a free agent.
To be fair, Bruno had a very bad season by the standards he set the season before. Ronaldo only had 3 assists and ranked 62 in the league in terms of expected assists. I believe his work rate was also the worst out of our attackers (could be wrong).
So not insane to suggest that he had an impact on how we played. Which is not to say that he was 100% to blame, of course, but he was an issue.
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Worst out of every attacker in the league actually. Closest player iirc was Benteke who pressed double the amount that Ronaldo did. That's how big the difference was.
He was the bottom 1% of all of the major leagues, in fact.
I would say that was more on Mendes than Ronaldo. He’s the one briefing the press and supposedly controlling the narrative.
If I were Ronnie I’d be furious with him.
Source?
But then, just imagine if the barely running Rashford or Martial was our main striker last season. Where would us be?
And I refuse to believe that Martial or Rashford worked harder than Ronaldo last season. Do you? Pressing stats is only one category to judge player's work rate. There are distance covered, running off ball, passing rate, headers, etc. It's just common sense. But, it doesn't suit the narrative, though.
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Ronaldo isn't free of blame here. Its not Mendes fault Ronaldo is a tough sell
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/defense/Premier-League-Stats
Ronaldo had 182 total presses in 27 games.
Nketieh had 178 and played 9 games.
Ronaldo has the lowest presses per 90 out of every forward in the premier league, again the closest person to him had nearly double his.
Makes for grim reading.
Mendes sold him a bridge
No these are opinions.
Juve imploded because they spent €500m (excluding Ronaldo) during his 3 years on absolute dross. The ageing squad, especially midfield, was replenished with no quality players. Even De Ligt was really average at his time there - he was not even in the Serie A team of the year once.
Allegri, whose cycle at Juve is finished, was not replaced by a competent enough coach. Ronaldo even had to play under Pirlo who used an old fashioned 4-4-2 style. Juve especially won Serie A in the second season all because of Ronaldo scoring crucial goals in the second half of the season. Ronaldo cannot carry the team anymore - this is absolutely true. But he performed poorly in only one CL knockout stage in his 3 years at Juve. Juve's players were ageing and/or very average. How come they've not had a Renaissance under Allegri last season? Not even a domestic cup? Not even top-3? This year as per betting sites, they are between joint first and third-favorite to win Serie A depending on where you look - so its really not an improvement.
If United's implosion was all Ronaldo's fault then why did RR say that United need 10-11 new players? Why did he not say we need just 1-2 more players? It's not as if Rashford/Sancho/Bruno/etc were pressing monsters while Ronaldo let the team down.
Rashford and Bruno especially were sauntering about most of the games. Did Ronaldo ask them to do that?
What about Captain England's mistakes at the back? What about a perpetually unfit Varane (missed 33% of PL games)? What about McFred? What about a slow, uncreative Sancho? Did Ronaldo tell them to play that way?
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Courage is a gross overstatement especially when you are talking about someone that already has generational wealth. He has earned nearly a billion euros during his career.
Mendes sold him a bridge
He did the same to Falcao who ended up at United on the last day of the transfer window. Two years later Falcao admitted that it was a mistake.
Rashford runs and presses much more than Ronaldo and yes that was even the case last season, I'm expecting Martial to work much harder next season considering this is basically his last chance at the top level.
Ronaldo's last 5 seasons of pressing stats:
He's certainly consistent.
He's certainly consistent.
This could have been handled a hell of a lot better. He could have made his champions league requirement clear from day one or at least after the window opened so we could have had a chance to sign our apparently top target.
Instead he waited and has his pimp mendes shopping him around like a two bit whore to any jonnie come lately that has access to the club he wants to get into. So far no takers. It’s not a good look.
Seems like he is absolutely determined to leave so I think it will happen but he’ll absolutely have to bend over for the deal to happen.
Instead he waited and has his pimp mendes shopping him around like a two bit whore to any jonnie come lately that has access to the club he wants to get into. So far no takers. It’s not a good look.
Seems like he is absolutely determined to leave so I think it will happen but he’ll absolutely have to bend over for the deal to happen.
Well, in the event that Mendes has tried to temper his expectations and he’s having none of it, then yes he’s certainly to blame. I suppose the fact that few are questioning Mendes shows that he’s doing a good job to preserve his own reputation.
Martial averaged 11.6 presses per 90 last season.
Rashford averaged 18.5
Greenwood averaged 11
Ronaldo Averaged around 6.6....
Note these are stats in the premier league.
We weren't a good pressing team last season either way.
Also before Rangnick came Ronaldo was averaging around 4 presses per game after Rangnick he upped his work rate to a whopping 6.6, shows you all you need to know that he won't do the work for ETH.
But but Ronaldo has a winners mentalityRonaldo's last 5 seasons of pressing stats:
He's certainly consistent.
So now its Mendes fault like it was Raiola fault with Pogba?
Mendes sold him a bridge
He better be sitting in Lisbon on his own dime, he surely can't be picking up his wages these weeks?
Don't see a way that he turns up at United this season unless there's absolutely no one willing to take him. Still think Mendes is trying the City/United trick with Atletico/Real.
Well, the counter to that argument would be, would we as a team be better if Ronaldo wasn't there. The season before he arrived Rashford did get 21 goals and 15 assists in all competitions. Not too shabby. I know he isn't the favorite sometimes on this forum, but I personally still believe he's a hugely talented player who had a poor season. Also, United as a team scored 73 goals before he arrived, which I believe was only second to City. We actually scored more than Liverpool! Last season the goal tally dropped to 57. So while his personal numbers were decent, the team regressed big time.
Anyway, we're obviously dealing with counterfactuals here in regards to where we would be without Ronaldo last season. I dunno, maybe we'd actually be in the top four. We can only comment on what actually happened.
In regards to you refusing to believe Martial or Rashford worked harder, well if it is indeed true, then it doesn't matter what you believe really.
It would be silly of anyone to bite at the 30% wages discount. They can squeeze much more out of Mendes next month. This has got to be the biggest ever L for an agent.
#RonAldi
#RonAldi
I don't even think it was a trick. If it wasn't for SAF, I'm sure he would have had no issue signing for City.
The big problem Ronaldo has as well is that even if he said he only wanted £100k a week, he'll be pissed off it he's not a regular and starting all the big games which may mess up team dynamics.
Can we swap him with Nunes from Sporting?
If he really wants CL so badly, he should be able to afford earning less for a bit.
If he really wants CL so badly, he should be able to afford earning less for a bit.
I can remember how teary he was when Kaka won the 2007 Ballon D'or ahead of him.
We're talking about a player near retirement, man. He's 37 y.o. footballer. He earned a billion but that's for his almost 20 yrs career. ~275m is about 25% earning in just 2 years work. The likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Guardiola or Pele couldn't refuse the temptation of spending their end career in those type of League.
Well, maybe it's just me then that think that way. When i said "courage", it's from a footballer perspective. Of course there are many profession that "courage" has much higher standard. Health workers for one.
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I fear it's going to get ugly, to be honest. I also think it's pretty sad to be doing this in order to add another 6 goals to his CL tally.
30% isn’t anywhere near good value anyway. He’s so transparent that there has to be an element of doubt about his commitment to anything other than goals in the CL and being in peak condition for the World Cup. Outside of fine tuning himself in preparation for those two competitions, is he going to give you £350k’s worth of output? Which club would be dumb enough to roll dice at that rate?
He is much more in line with normal, good players now - capable of the spectacular, but certainly not guaranteed; he’ll score goals, but they will need to be lined up in the way he now - more often than not - needs, which can throw a whole team out of whack if they’re not set up to supply a single point failure.
Even 60% isn’t appealing sans the commercial aspect as you may still be carrying someone who isn’t focused on your clubs’ desires unless they align with his.
Ronaldo is using the final period of his top level career to further his own records and lengthen the distance from himself and those chasing him; with that in mind, and being aware nothing else matters to him, does a club willingly entertain this and indulge him considering all the baggage that comes along if he’s not playing or having things his way? I would say a club will get him for relatively dirt cheap or he’ll have to stay - in the end, it’ll be Mendes having to twist arms and offer BOGOF type deals for any club with the prerequisite standing to take him on.
Ronaldo might still be a Ferrari, but as opposed to the one getting VIP treatment in a bespoke garage, he’s now the one nobody wants to put up the funds for the upkeep and potential headache should things go wrong.
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