Insane how many times in this series the Indian bowlers have hit back just when Australia seem to be getting away with the game
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this game is going to be over in 3 days because neither side has cared about getting out. The decision making the whole game has been junior cricket level.
Well got this badly wrong. They have batted well and India without Bumrah have wilted badly
Surely worth a spinner on just to see?
Usually tracks with heavy seam movement has something for spinners too - plus there are potholes.
Usually tracks with heavy seam movement has something for spinners too - plus there are potholes.
feck off to retirement Virat. Behaviour today was a disgrace.
I hate Steve Smith and he's a cheat - but what was Kohli trying to achieve there? Or throughout this series. Not scoring runs so option B is to just be a dick?
Great to see the Aussies come back and win the series.
Great as well to raise so much money in the fight against cancer as it affects the lives of so many people.
Great as well to raise so much money in the fight against cancer as it affects the lives of so many people.
No Bumrah, no chance.
Phew. Loved every second of this series. With football fecking depressing at the moment, this is the most I’ve enjoyed sport in a long time.
What did he do today?
You wouldn’t have seen it on the television but he was winding the crowd up pulling his pockets out etc. Then anytime there was a wicket he would carry on like an absolute pork chop.
When you’re delivering you can carry on but when you’re falling flat on your face, be a bit more humble.
So glad Root has comfortably surpassed both their red ball legacies. They're shadows of what they were/could have been in the game long-term.
Great series though, shame about Bumrah but another cracking advert for the game.
3-1 very fair result. Aus the better team easily.
A little biased but I don’t fully agree. Smith with clearly the highest average over his career. Runs not the only metric, either. Both still have a few years to play but history could look upon either as the premier test batsman of their generation.
Kohli’s theatrics were silly.
Congrats on the win! It’s such a huge result for Australia.
Thank you! Always love a series agaisnt India. See you soon enough for the next bout.
Nah, Root will end up amongst the best ever. Smith will forever be tainted despite his peak.
Smith will be regarded as one of the best ever too - not sure that’s controversial!
Not controversial, he was absolutely incredible and good to see him coming back into form. I just think Root found another level of consistency and skill where both Virat and Smith fell off for various reasons.
Kohli seems to have lost that inner desire to let his bat do the talking, which is a shame. The theatrics were always there, but they seem sillier when not accompanied by the runs.
Our batting was weak throughout the series, and he was part of the reason why. Bumrah carried as much as he could, if he was fit today we may have drawn the series, but there's only so much he can carry the team before his back literally gives up. I'm afraid we've wasted the best years of our GOAT pacer with not much to show for it.
Good result from Australia, there's always a few folks who stand up when it counts. Boland was terrific.
Our batting was weak throughout the series, and he was part of the reason why. Bumrah carried as much as he could, if he was fit today we may have drawn the series, but there's only so much he can carry the team before his back literally gives up. I'm afraid we've wasted the best years of our GOAT pacer with not much to show for it.
Good result from Australia, there's always a few folks who stand up when it counts. Boland was terrific.
Joe Root averages 51. Smith averages 56. In percentile terms, there's a world of difference between the two in cricket batting averages. There is no analysis where Root is comfortably considered a better player than Smith.
If you want to account for the fact that they play in markedly different home conditions: Root's average is 46.6 away from home, whereas Smith's is 53.5.
When you put it like that - there's actually no comparison between Smith and Root. Smith is significantly better.
Joe Root is a better player than his stats suggest - he's an all time great batter, his lean spells are dragging his average down. At his best(which is the last 5 years where he consistently played like the player he promised to be be), he's probably as good as most of the top batters in the last 20-30 years. He will be considered better than many of those because his continued longevity will add to his credentials. Smith's peak was like no other, and he missed 2 years of his peak to sandpaper, and this last phase of his career will decide just how he's viewed historically. But in the Root v Smith debate, Smith's numbers are so good across his career and if you don't let recency bias creep in, he is the better player.
I am not knocking Root down by any means - I think he is a complete batter and there haven't been many like that in the last 30 years. Despite his 51 average, I'd have him as a top 10 batter of the last 30 years above some with better averages. Smith's numbers can't be overlooked.
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Smith is not the player he was, but for 12-13 years he was not only the best batsman of his generation, but quite possibly the best test batsman of the last 60 years. He averaged over 60 for close to 100 tests, Root barely averages 50 and Kohli a little under 47.
The SA sandpaper incident definitely damaged his legacy, but in terms of pure ability Smith stands alone.
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As great as Root is, there isn’t much of a debate comparing him to Smith.
It’s like when people tried putting Anderson on the same level as Steyn. Just sadly not true.
It’s like when people tried putting Anderson on the same level as Steyn. Just sadly not true.
Was he trying to find his runs but realised he didn’t have any?
Pretty poor test batting this series by India. We do not have players with proper technique against spin recently nor seaming bowling nowadays. Probably Jaiswal is a plus. Gill has been a disappointment after decent last tour of Australia.
Yes. I don't think India deserved anything from this series. Poor performance minus Bumrah and maybe Jaiswal. Poor selection. Chaos all around. No wonder ashwin said I am off from this.
They have to regroup and start from the scratch. Whether they keep gambhir for that is a tough call as I don't think he has any merits to coach a test side. But I feel he will do a better job with youngsters.
Only so much Bumrah and his bowling partners can do i suppose (with ball and bat)
Our batsmen need to hang their heads in shame
Our batsmen need to hang their heads in shame
Firstly, Smith has an amazing average because he's an amazing player. I'm not knocking that. He's also played significantly less and has less runs compared to Root because he was banned for a significant time for cheating at the game which he's supposed to love and present globally. Whatever conversation you have about Smith, this will always and rightfully be brought up.
On averages - Root should and would have a much higher average had he played in the types of sides Smith has played in over the course of their test careers, but that's a purely hypothetical point.
Just watch his press conference from today. He is so tiringly combative. That cannot be an operating style at the highest level, let alone for players paid and celebrated like the Indian cricket team
He's like a shit Justin Langer.
I initially thought it was a good appointment(because of his success with KKR). I've changed my mind
He also does this bizarre extollation of Mohammed Siraj's bowling, calling his performance great in the series because of attitude(apparently he bowled through injury). Attitude's important when your basics and skill execution is correct. In absence of that, at the highest level it doesn't matter. He's too caught up in his "team is more important than the individual, ethics are important" shtick. All true but the most important thing is to win. 6 losses in 8 games is the only metric that counts.
If I am not wrong he was not even a coach of KKR but just a mentor. For t20 and maybe ODI he can be fine but I had my reservation on him coaching our test side.
Another accomplishment for Cummins, what a man
Sorry but Smith is definitely the best player of this generation. I love Joe Root but he is second for sure.
I reckon they need to extend concussion subs to injured players too, I understand how at the back end of a test it could be manipulated to get a fresh bowler in but in the circumstance of Saim Ayub, it feels a bit crap to watch a team lose a top order bat and have to bat twice a player down. Maybe a serious injuries/concussion sub?
Forget the Root vs Smith comparisons. Have we seen the greatest bowling attack since the WIs line up back in the day? Cummins, Starc, Hazelwood and Boland is an incredible bowling line up.
Also Joe Root needs to conquer Australia. You can't be the best of your generation until you've shown up everywhere.
I don’t think those 4 have ever played together all at once and Scott Boland got smacked out of the team against England in England. Having a hard time imagining that West Indies attack getting bullied by Zak Crawley.
joe root will age better. smith’s style is too shit to be remembered fondly years down the line. he’ll be respected, but for his stats, rather than his cricket.
Cummins, Hazelwood, Starc vs McGrath, Gillespie, Lee vs Steyn, Philander, Morkel. I think those are the 3 modern pace bowler trios worth comparing.