Cricket World Cup/ICC Champions Trophy Draft

1. 12OunceEpilogue - 1.S. Tendulkar 2. B. McCullum 3. C. Vaas 4. R. Sarwan 5. J. Oram
2. Crappy - 1. V. Richards 2. M.Crowe 3. A. Donald 4. Zaheer Khan 5. Shane Watson
3. Skills/Ijazz17 - 1. AB. De Villiers 2. M. Starc 3. K. Dev 4. A. Da Silva 5.C. Lloyd
4. Indnyc - 1. G. McGrath 2. M. Waugh 3. T. Dilshan 4. S. Chanderpaul 5.T.Southee
5. RedTiger - 1. R. Ponting 2. A. Gilchrist 3. S. Jayasuriya 4. M. Jayawardene 5. S.Akhtar
6. Raees - 1. W. Akram 2. J. Garner 3. S. Bond 4. S.Mustaq 5.I Botham
7. Prath92 - 1. K. Sangakkara 2. S. Waugh 3. C. McDermott 4. A.Kumble 5. G.Kirsten
8. ChrisNelson - 1. M. Clarke 2. L. Malinga 3. M. Boucher 4. G. Smith
9. The Red Viper - 1. J. Kallis 2. A. Roberts 3. V. Kohli 4. W. Younis
10. The Cat - 1. I. Khan 2. R. Dravid 3. G. Turner 4. M. Holding
11. MJJ - 1. M.Muralitharan 2. J. Miandad 3. R. Hadlee 4.S. Smith
12. Harshad - 1. S.Warne 2. L. Klusener 3. B Lara 4. S. Pollock
13. NM - 1. Y. Singh 2. H. Gibbs 3. A. Qadir 4. C. Walsh
14. Mani/anant - 1. MS. Dhoni 2. M. Hayden 3. Symonds 4.C.Ambrose
15. Boycott - 1. S. Ganguly 2. B. Lee 3. S. Anwar 4. D. Gower
16. Skizzo - 1. C. Gayle 2. M. Samuels 3. K. Mills 4. S. Dhawan

@ChrisNelson
 
I know his stats look good in this context but he's quite shit

He is quite shit but surely his stats in this context is all that matters? If player x is completely useless but had great performances in the World Cup, surely he is better pick than someone who is great outside the World Cup but didn’t really perform in the World Cup?

There is a reason why Lara was picked quite late in the draft
 
He is quite shit but surely his stats in this context is all that matters? If player x is completely useless but had great performances in the World Cup, surely he is better pick than someone who is great outside the World Cup but didn’t really perform in the World Cup?

There is a reason why Lara was picked quite late in the draft

When somebody looks at this thread and is a casual.. Kyle mills stats won't matter.. sad but true..
 
1. 12OunceEpilogue - 1.S. Tendulkar 2. B. McCullum 3. C. Vaas 4. R. Sarwan 5. J. Oram
2. Crappy - 1. V. Richards 2. M.Crowe 3. A. Donald 4. Zaheer Khan 5. Shane Watson
3. Skills/Ijazz17 - 1. AB. De Villiers 2. M. Starc 3. K. Dev 4. A. Da Silva 5.C. Lloyd
4. Indnyc - 1. G. McGrath 2. M. Waugh 3. T. Dilshan 4. S. Chanderpaul 5.T.Southee
5. RedTiger - 1. R. Ponting 2. A. Gilchrist 3. S. Jayasuriya 4. M. Jayawardene 5.S.Akhtar
6. Raees - 1. W. Akram 2. J. Garner 3. S. Bond 4. S.Mustaq 5.Botham
7. Prath92 - 1. K. Sangakkara 2. S. Waugh 3. C. McDermott 4. A.Kumble 5.G.Kristen
8. ChrisNelson - 1. M. Clarke 2. L. Malinga 3. M. Boucher 4. G. Smith
9. The Red Viper - 1. J. Kallis 2. A. Roberts 3. V. Kohli 4. W. Younis
10. The Cat - 1. I. Khan 2. R. Dravid 3. G. Turner 4. M. Holding
11. MJJ - 1. M.Muralitharan 2. J. Miandad 3. R. Hadlee 4.S. Smith
12. Harshad - 1. S.Warne 2. L. Klusener 3. B Lara 4. S. Pollock
13. NM - 1. Y. Singh 2. H. Gibbs 3. A. Qadir 4. C. Walsh
14. Mani/anant - 1. MS. Dhoni 2. M. Hayden 3. Symonds 4.C.Ambrose
15. Boycott - 1. S. Ganguly 2. B. Lee 3. S. Anwar 4. D. Gower
16. Skizzo - 1. C. Gayle 2. M. Samuels 3. K. Mills 4. S. Dhawan

@ChrisNelson. You got less than 30 Min to make your pick mate.
 
That just highlights the point that specific drafts are pointless then.

Yeah.. In specific drafts like this, it’s important to have some good discussion and highlight players performances
 
Yeah, I think if there are many scan voters then these kinds of drafts don't work. Well, we'll see.
Yep, that is a genuine problem. Not sure how the footy drafts handle this though, especially when they have those Serie A Peak players like drafts.
 
Yeah.. In specific drafts like this, it’s important to have some good discussion and highlight players performances

Personally I've been poring over stats when compiling my shortlists but it's a safe assumption that a genuine GOAT with fairly average WC/ICCCT figures will draw more favourable appraisals than a nobody with those same numbers.

We should certainly keep the terms of the draft in mind when judging the sides and pledge to vote as much as humanly possible on WC/ICCCT performances only, and as you suggest coaches should hammer away at the great stats/memorable performances of all their players in their write-ups and encourage discussion, but I think we're kidding ourselves if we assume reputations outside of the draft parameters will play no role whatsoever in voting.

Then again it's my first draft so wtf do I know? :)
 
1. 12OunceEpilogue - 1.S. Tendulkar 2. B. McCullum 3. C. Vaas 4. R. Sarwan 5. J. Oram
2. Crappy - 1. V. Richards 2. M.Crowe 3. A. Donald 4. Zaheer Khan 5. Shane Watson
3. Skills/Ijazz17 - 1. AB. De Villiers 2. M. Starc 3. K. Dev 4. A. Da Silva 5.C. Lloyd
4. Indnyc - 1. G. McGrath 2. M. Waugh 3. T. Dilshan 4. S. Chanderpaul 5.T.Southee
5. RedTiger - 1. R. Ponting 2. A. Gilchrist 3. S. Jayasuriya 4. M. Jayawardene 5.S.Akhtar
6. Raees - 1. W. Akram 2. J. Garner 3. S. Bond 4. S.Mustaq 5.Botham
7. Prath92 - 1. K. Sangakkara 2. S. Waugh 3. C. McDermott 4. A.Kumble 5.G.Kristen
8. ChrisNelson - 1. M. Clarke 2. L. Malinga 3. M. Boucher 4. G. Smith 5. S. Tait
9. The Red Viper - 1. J. Kallis 2. A. Roberts 3. V. Kohli 4. W. Younis
10. The Cat - 1. I. Khan 2. R. Dravid 3. G. Turner 4. M. Holding
11. MJJ - 1. M.Muralitharan 2. J. Miandad 3. R. Hadlee 4.S. Smith
12. Harshad - 1. S.Warne 2. L. Klusener 3. B Lara 4. S. Pollock
13. NM - 1. Y. Singh 2. H. Gibbs 3. A. Qadir 4. C. Walsh
14. Mani/anant - 1. MS. Dhoni 2. M. Hayden 3. Symonds 4.C.Ambrose
15. Boycott - 1. S. Ganguly 2. B. Lee 3. S. Anwar 4. D. Gower
16. Skizzo - 1. C. Gayle 2. M. Samuels 3. K. Mills 4. S. Dhawan

@The Red Viper

Please remember guys I struggle to get on here at weekends and am stuck on phone only. This pick was not made any easier by the previous people not updating the above list. By the time it got done it was 2.30am UK time and I was fast asleep....
 
Yep, that is a genuine problem. Not sure how the footy drafts handle this though, especially when they have those Serie A Peak players like drafts.
Have you seen those threads? It's hardcore stuff. Casual scan voters are identified and shot.
 
Have you seen those threads? It's hardcore stuff. Casual scan voters are identified and shot.
I will keep in mind to vote based on my whim in those threads going forward. Thanks for the heads up.
 
When you vote in a general election you don't put a cross in the box then write your reasons underneath!

I usually look at the 2 teams, weigh up who I think would win if they played each other and vote for them. My reason would be the same every time i.e. 'I think they are the stronger team and would win in that match situation'!
 
When you vote in a general election you don't put a cross in the box then write your reasons underneath!

I usually look at the 2 teams, weigh up who I think would win if they played each other and vote for them. My reason would be the same every time i.e. 'I think they are the stronger team and would win in that match situation'!

So that's what I've been doing wrong all this time :D

I take the point that you have good impartial reasons for your vote but it'll be nice to have good conversations about the way we're thinking of voting rather than a load of rounds of unexplained votes. I would have thought getting into the nitty gritty of why people are voting a certain way is half the fun of the game.
 
If I'm not wrong his 8hrs pick time had passed by now ?

You may be right. ChrisNelson's 'ended' at about 3am and so The Red Viper has had his eight hours?

Over to The Cat then, though fair play to him for waiting for confirmation.
 
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1. 12OunceEpilogue - 1.S. Tendulkar 2. B. McCullum 3. C. Vaas 4. R. Sarwan 5. J. Oram
2. Crappy - 1. V. Richards 2. M.Crowe 3. A. Donald 4. Zaheer Khan 5. Shane Watson
3. Skills/Ijazz17 - 1. AB. De Villiers 2. M. Starc 3. K. Dev 4. A. Da Silva 5.C. Lloyd
4. Indnyc - 1. G. McGrath 2. M. Waugh 3. T. Dilshan 4. S. Chanderpaul 5.T.Southee
5. RedTiger - 1. R. Ponting 2. A. Gilchrist 3. S. Jayasuriya 4. M. Jayawardene 5.S.Akhtar
6. Raees - 1. W. Akram 2. J. Garner 3. S. Bond 4. S.Mustaq 5.Botham
7. Prath92 - 1. K. Sangakkara 2. S. Waugh 3. C. McDermott 4. A.Kumble 5.G.Kristen
8. ChrisNelson - 1. M. Clarke 2. L. Malinga 3. M. Boucher 4. G. Smith 5. S. Tait
9. The Red Viper - 1. J. Kallis 2. A. Roberts 3. V. Kohli 4. W. Younis
10. The Cat - 1. I. Khan 2. R. Dravid 3. G. Turner 4. M. Holding 5. A. Flower
11. MJJ - 1. M.Muralitharan 2. J. Miandad 3. R. Hadlee 4.S. Smith
12. Harshad - 1. S.Warne 2. L. Klusener 3. B Lara 4. S. Pollock
13. NM - 1. Y. Singh 2. H. Gibbs 3. A. Qadir 4. C. Walsh
14. Mani/anant - 1. MS. Dhoni 2. M. Hayden 3. Symonds 4.C.Ambrose
15. Boycott - 1. S. Ganguly 2. B. Lee 3. S. Anwar 4. D. Gower
16. Skizzo - 1. C. Gayle 2. M. Samuels 3. K. Mills 4. S. Dhawan

@MJJ
 
1. 12OunceEpilogue - 1.S. Tendulkar 2. B. McCullum 3. C. Vaas 4. R. Sarwan 5. J. Oram
2. Crappy - 1. V. Richards 2. M.Crowe 3. A. Donald 4. Zaheer Khan 5. Shane Watson
3. Skills/Ijazz17 - 1. AB. De Villiers 2. M. Starc 3. K. Dev 4. A. Da Silva 5.C. Lloyd
4. Indnyc - 1. G. McGrath 2. M. Waugh 3. T. Dilshan 4. S. Chanderpaul 5.T.Southee
5. RedTiger - 1. R. Ponting 2. A. Gilchrist 3. S. Jayasuriya 4. M. Jayawardene 5.S.Akhtar
6. Raees - 1. W. Akram 2. J. Garner 3. S. Bond 4. S.Mustaq 5.Botham
7. Prath92 - 1. K. Sangakkara 2. S. Waugh 3. C. McDermott 4. A.Kumble 5.G.Kristen
8. ChrisNelson - 1. M. Clarke 2. L. Malinga 3. M. Boucher 4. G. Smith 5. S. Tait
9. The Red Viper - 1. J. Kallis 2. A. Roberts 3. V. Kohli 4. W. Younis 5.
10. The Cat - 1. I. Khan 2. R. Dravid 3. G. Turner 4. M. Holding 5.A.Flower
11. MJJ - 1. M.Muralitharan 2. J. Miandad 3. R. Hadlee 4.S. Smith 5.
12. Harshad - 1. S.Warne 2. L. Klusener 3. B Lara 4. S. Pollock
13. NM - 1. Y. Singh 2. H. Gibbs 3. A. Qadir 4. C. Walsh
14. Mani/anant - 1. MS. Dhoni 2. M. Hayden 3. Symonds 4.C.Ambrose
15. Boycott - 1. S. Ganguly 2. B. Lee 3. S. Anwar 4. D. Gower
16. Skizzo - 1. C. Gayle 2. M. Samuels 3. K. Mills 4. S. Dhawan

@MJJ @The Red Viper
 
1. 12OunceEpilogue - 1.S. Tendulkar 2. B. McCullum 3. C. Vaas 4. R. Sarwan 5. J. Oram
2. Crappy - 1. V. Richards 2. M.Crowe 3. A. Donald 4. Zaheer Khan 5. Shane Watson
3. Skills/Ijazz17 - 1. AB. De Villiers 2. M. Starc 3. K. Dev 4. A. Da Silva 5.C. Lloyd
4. Indnyc - 1. G. McGrath 2. M. Waugh 3. T. Dilshan 4. S. Chanderpaul 5.T.Southee
5. RedTiger - 1. R. Ponting 2. A. Gilchrist 3. S. Jayasuriya 4. M. Jayawardene 5.S.Akhtar
6. Raees - 1. W. Akram 2. J. Garner 3. S. Bond 4. S.Mustaq 5.Botham
7. Prath92 - 1. K. Sangakkara 2. S. Waugh 3. C. McDermott 4. A.Kumble 5.G.Kristen
8. ChrisNelson - 1. M. Clarke 2. L. Malinga 3. M. Boucher 4. G. Smith 5. S. Tait
9. The Red Viper - 1. J. Kallis 2. A. Roberts 3. V. Kohli 4. W. Younis 5.
10. The Cat - 1. I. Khan 2. R. Dravid 3. G. Turner 4. M. Holding 5.A.Flower
11. MJJ - 1. M.Muralitharan 2. J. Miandad 3. R. Hadlee 4.S. Smith 5. A.Raazaq
12. Harshad - 1. S.Warne 2. L. Klusener 3. B Lara 4. S. Pollock 5.
13. NM - 1. Y. Singh 2. H. Gibbs 3. A. Qadir 4. C. Walsh
14. Mani/anant - 1. MS. Dhoni 2. M. Hayden 3. Symonds 4.C.Ambrose
15. Boycott - 1. S. Ganguly 2. B. Lee 3. S. Anwar 4. D. Gower
16. Skizzo - 1. C. Gayle 2. M. Samuels 3. K. Mills 4. S. Dhawan

@harshad
 
Yep, that is a genuine problem. Not sure how the footy drafts handle this though, especially when they have those Serie A Peak players like drafts.

The thread opening post has clear a clear message saying only Serie A performances are counted. In addition, because there is so much discussion and number of voters are significantly higher than here, the impact of scan voters is limited
 
The thread opening post has clear a clear message saying only Serie A performances are counted. In addition, because there is so much discussion and number of voters are significantly higher than here, the impact of scan voters is limited
That's not usually the case for the cricket drafts. Most people don't explain why they voted for one team over the other. If you go through the history of the cricket drafts, most match ups don't reach page 3, but you will see around 20-25 votes for the same.
 
1. 12OunceEpilogue - 1.S. Tendulkar 2. B. McCullum 3. C. Vaas 4. R. Sarwan 5. J. Oram
2. Crappy - 1. V. Richards 2. M.Crowe 3. A. Donald 4. Zaheer Khan 5. Shane Watson
3. Skills/Ijazz17 - 1. AB. De Villiers 2. M. Starc 3. K. Dev 4. A. Da Silva 5.C. Lloyd
4. Indnyc - 1. G. McGrath 2. M. Waugh 3. T. Dilshan 4. S. Chanderpaul 5.T.Southee
5. RedTiger - 1. R. Ponting 2. A. Gilchrist 3. S. Jayasuriya 4. M. Jayawardene 5.S.Akhtar
6. Raees - 1. W. Akram 2. J. Garner 3. S. Bond 4. S.Mustaq 5.Botham
7. Prath92 - 1. K. Sangakkara 2. S. Waugh 3. C. McDermott 4. A.Kumble 5.G.Kristen
8. ChrisNelson - 1. M. Clarke 2. L. Malinga 3. M. Boucher 4. G. Smith 5. S. Tait
9. The Red Viper - 1. J. Kallis 2. A. Roberts 3. V. Kohli 4. W. Younis 5.V.Sehwag
10. The Cat - 1. I. Khan 2. R. Dravid 3. G. Turner 4. M. Holding 5.A.Flower
11. MJJ - 1. M.Muralitharan 2. J. Miandad 3. R. Hadlee 4.S. Smith 5. A.Raazaq
12. Harshad - 1. S.Warne 2. L. Klusener 3. B Lara 4. S. Pollock 5.
13. NM - 1. Y. Singh 2. H. Gibbs 3. A. Qadir 4. C. Walsh
14. Mani/anant - 1. MS. Dhoni 2. M. Hayden 3. Symonds 4.C.Ambrose
15. Boycott - 1. S. Ganguly 2. B. Lee 3. S. Anwar 4. D. Gower
16. Skizzo - 1. C. Gayle 2. M. Samuels 3. K. Mills 4. S. Dhawan

@harshad
 
1. 12OunceEpilogue - 1.S. Tendulkar 2. B. McCullum 3. C. Vaas 4. R. Sarwan 5. J. Oram
2. Crappy - 1. V. Richards 2. M.Crowe 3. A. Donald 4. Zaheer Khan 5. Shane Watson
3. Skills/Ijazz17 - 1. AB. De Villiers 2. M. Starc 3. K. Dev 4. A. Da Silva 5.C. Lloyd
4. Indnyc - 1. G. McGrath 2. M. Waugh 3. T. Dilshan 4. S. Chanderpaul 5.T.Southee
5. RedTiger - 1. R. Ponting 2. A. Gilchrist 3. S. Jayasuriya 4. M. Jayawardene 5.S.Akhtar
6. Raees - 1. W. Akram 2. J. Garner 3. S. Bond 4. S.Mustaq 5.Botham
7. Prath92 - 1. K. Sangakkara 2. S. Waugh 3. C. McDermott 4. A.Kumble 5.G.Kristen
8. ChrisNelson - 1. M. Clarke 2. L. Malinga 3. M. Boucher 4. G. Smith 5. S. Tait
9. The Red Viper - 1. J. Kallis 2. A. Roberts 3. V. Kohli 4. W. Younis 5.V.Sehwag
10. The Cat - 1. I. Khan 2. R. Dravid 3. G. Turner 4. M. Holding 5.A.Flower
11. MJJ - 1. M.Muralitharan 2. J. Miandad 3. R. Hadlee 4.S. Smith 5. A.Raazaq
12. Harshad - 1. S.Warne 2. L. Klusener 3. B Lara 4. S. Pollock 5. M. Greatbatch
13. NM - 1. Y. Singh 2. H. Gibbs 3. A. Qadir 4. C. Walsh
14. Mani/anant - 1. MS. Dhoni 2. M. Hayden 3. Symonds 4.C.Ambrose
15. Boycott - 1. S. Ganguly 2. B. Lee 3. S. Anwar 4. D. Gower
16. Skizzo - 1. C. Gayle 2. M. Samuels 3. K. Mills 4. S. Dhawan