cricket draft- The Man Himself vs Interval Level

Who will win over a 3 match test series?


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Please keep in mind that The voters are being asked to choose a team that will prevail over a three match series on these respective grounds.
  • Eden Gardens, Kolkatta
  • Lords, London
  • SCG, Sydney
Gary Kirsten: An opening batsman with great temperament, loads of concentration and determination, he has to be one of the best batsmen to have played for South Africa since their comeback. Always willing to work on his weakness and make great use of his strengths, he is the kind of batsman who will hold fort against better bowling attacks and has ability to wear them down. 7289 runs, 21 centuries, 34 fifties with a healthy average of 45.27.

Mudassar Nazar: Again, someone who made most of what he had, he was another batsman who won’t mind grinding it out in the middle. 4114 runs with a respectable average of 38.09, 10 centuries and 17 fifties. Could bowl occasionally if needed. Took 66 wickets in all.

David Boon: Again, someone, who had a knack of occupying crease and accumulating runs. One of the mainstays and key player for Australia during 80’s and early 90’s. His courage to stand up to the best and take attack to them when needed is what he is in my team for.7422 runs, average of 43.65, with 21 centuries and 32 fifties.

Jacques Kallis: The star player in my batting line up. Might not be the favourite of all or rated among greats by everyone but he has every shot in book in his armour. Cricinfo rightly describes him in saying, “No batsman prizes his wicket more highly, and no wicket in all of cricket is more highly prized. Few players who belong to the modern age are a better fit for the notion of the classical cricketer.” Rock solid technique and zen-like approach are his key attributes, but he can be a forceful batsman and take attack to opposition when needed. A bowler with genuine pace, swing and bounce in his early days, he is every bit worthy of being ranked among all time great allrounders even though he had to adjust a bit in bowling in later years. Add to that him being a great fielder, he is one of the key assets in my team.13140 runs at an average of 55.44, with 44 centuries and 58 fifties. 288 wickets at an average of 32.61 with strike rate of 69.3

Graham Thorpe: A fierce competitor and counter attacking batsman, with ability to both attack and defend. Equally adequate vs. Pace and spin, he was one of the key players for England during his playing days. 6744 runs at healthy average of 44.66 with 16 centuries and 39 fifties.

Dilip Vegsarkar: The colonel. A talented and elegant batsman, who was among the very best batsmen in world during his peak days and was a key batsman for India for more than a decade. 6868 runs at an average of 42.13 with 17 centuries and 35 fifties.

Brian McMillan: Big Mac. South Africa’s ‘go-to’ guy in their initial years after comeback into cricket. Was one of the best allrounders in the world in 90’s. He could trouble the finest with his bowling and had a great technique as a batsman. Add to that, he was a great fielder.1968 runs at an average of 39.36 with 3 centuries and 13 fifties. 75 wickets at an average of 33.82.

Kiran More: One of India’s finest keepers in my opinion. Full of guts and ready to take on any challenge offered to him. Very much needed in my team especially when Kumble will be bowling. His fighting ability meant he was a reliable batsman and had a respectable average of 25.7 for his position with 7 fifties. 110 catches and 20 stumpings.

Craig Mcdermott: Australia’s premier strike bowler in 90’s. A out-swing bowler with classic side-on action, he was very much capable of troubling the best.291 wickets at average of 28.63 and and strike rate of 56.9 underlines his capabilities. Will be perfect partner to Courtney Walsh.

Anil Kumble: What is there to say? India’s great spinner and most probably greatest bowler as well. One of the hardest triers in the game, he had his own way of leg spin which brought him rich reward. 619 test wickets at average of 29.65 and strike rate of 65.9. Could bat around a bit as well if needed.

Courtney Walsh (C): Again, the record and achievements and ability and skills. Everything is out in open and known to all. A physiological phenomenon, Courtney Walsh probably bowled faster for longer than any man in history. His action was never as intimidating as Ambrose, but it did the trick more often than not. 519 wickets at a great average of 24.44 with economy rate of 57.8. Will be my captain. Aye and he can score runs for my team if needed! Kidding :D



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Iqbal Qasim: I will copy paste from Cricinfo to describe this man as some of you might not know much about him:With a steady, angular approach between umpire and stumps, and a low trajectory that pushed the ball through, Iqbal Qasim was a miserly but penetrative left-arm spinner. A short man, he was more concerned with accuracy than flight, rarely going for much more than two an over, but he was a regular for over a decade.” 171 wickets at an average of 28.11 and strike rate of 76.1.

Team Composition: Iqbal Qasim will sit out of Lord’s test. Brian McMillan will sit out at Kolkata and Sydney. (Given all our player have made debut after 70’s, I will definitely assume we are playing on a Sydney pitch post 1970 and it has been a spinner’s paradise since.)



TL;DR: My batting is comfortably superior, my spin bowling is superior and pace bowling I lag a bit to MJJ. Given the batting strength of mine and spin bowling strength, I expect to win Kolkata and Sydney tests and thus win series.
 
Interval_Level said:
Why I’ll win –
Handle bar moutache
Graham-Gooch_1859234.jpg

My batting kicks ASS. Averages 35+ all the way till number EIGHT
SIR Viv Richards
Donald and Lillee :drool:
Big characters who’ll fight. No insipid wannabes like Akhtar :P


Graham Gooch
Considered THE best English batsman of the modern era, TWENTY year career! Averaged 55 between 1980-85 and 50 between 1990-94. 50 as the captain. 45000 First class run, making him the most prolific batsman in history
T Dilshan
Solid opening partner - average 40+. An aggressive batsman to Gooch's stability
Viv Richards
Erm.. Yeah… Amongst the top 2-3 batsman of the modern era. Named interchangably with Sachin
Mohammad Yousuf
According to me, the best Pakistani middle order batsman I have seen (average 57 at nos 4). Only Miandad and Inzi can come close.
Tony Greig
Big Bad Tony. Averages 40 with 8 hundreds. Taken 141 wickets at an average of 32
Saleem Malik
Solid four down. Averages 56 in the sixth position. Captain of Pakistan
Chris Cairns
Averages 44 in the seventh position with four hundreds. 218 wickets at an average of 29
Adam Parore (wk)
Averages 35+in the 8th place. Was selected in the NZ team as a batsman when Germon was captain
Andrew Caddick
Yeah. Decent support bowler averages 30. Can bowl in the subcontinent
Allan Donald
Will break your toes. Yorkers get wickets on any pitch. 330 wickets in 72
Dennis Lillee
Dickie Bird says best ever. 355 wickets in 65 matches. Swing AND pace.
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Dilip Doshi (Playing in Eden match instead of Caddick)
Debuted after the age of 30. Reached 100 wickets in 28 matches. Sexy glasses.

The Regulator (in team with Interval_Level) says:
MJJ's bowling vs our batting: Mjj has a bowling attack of Lee, Akthar, Saqlain, Flintoff and Wasim Akram. First of all, Graham Gooch is widely regarded as the greatest players of pace EVER, in any era. His century against the west indies is regarded as the greatest innings ever. As a matter of fact, during the 80's of West Indies domination, the only two batsman who ever truly got one over the west Indian fast four were Gooch and Gavaskar. In that bowling attack MJJ has, Flintoff, Lee average over the 30's in test cricket. Given Gooch has dominated against bowlers like Walsh and Marshall I doubt that two decent quicks would prove to be a problem for him.

Gooch has played Wasim Akram a total of 6 times in test cricket:http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...r_involve=1775;template=results;type=allround

He averages 46.18 against Pakistan when Wasim Akram has been playing. Below is a link to each innings.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...5;template=results;type=allround;view=innings

In the 11 innings that Gooch has played vs Pakistan, he has only been dismissed by Wasim Akram twice, once where he had already made a sizable contribution. Given Gooch's status as an opener and Wasim Akram's as an opening strike bowler, these stats show that Akram has been rendered inefficient by Gooch. If you notice closely, most of Gooch's dismissals were by the spinner later in the innings, which simply showed Gooch's superiority against Akram. Akhtar is not a test great by any stretch and again, if Gooch can overcome challenges set by the West Indian bowlers who were of similar bowling styles to Akhtar but better, I should see no problem. Gooch was also a very good player of spin and had more than enough in his locker to counter Saqlain despite the two never facing.

Dilshan has faced an England side with Flintoff in 10 innings in his career. He averages almost 50 in the times he has played against Flintoff.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...r_involve=4271;template=results;type=allround

Dilshan has also never faced Lee in test matches. Any argument MJJ strings on this behalf will be purely hypothetical. Dilshan, given his schooling in Sri Lankan turning pitches will not be troubled by Saqlains spin. Dilshan has also faced Pakistan in 4 test matches. he has never been dismissed by either akhtar or Wasim.

There is not that much to say about Viv Richards to be honest. He is the complete batsman and is regarded by many as the Muhammed Ali of Cricket.

We will obviously struggle to compare Moyo to Wasim/Akhtar due to the fact that they were on the same team. Moyo was a very good player of pace and is actually very similar to Ian Bell in terms of playing style.
 
That said, I think I should be winning this

Openers: Gooch, Dilshan > Kirsten and Nzar (Don't give me Dilshan is rubbish. Because Nazar isn't exactly Tendulkar)
Middle order: Sir Richards, Yousuf, Greig and Malik > Boon, Kallis, Thorpe and Vensarkar (I'd say I'd win this marginally simply because of Viv)
Lower order: Cairns and Parore >> More

Fast bowlers: Donald, Lillee. Cairns >>> Walsh, McDermot, McMillan
Spin: Kumble and Qasim > Doshi and Greig

Furthermore, crappy - can please keep some space between his 11 players and Qasim. I'm contending against 12 players currently.
 
That said, I think I should be winning this

Openers: Gooch, Dilshan > Kirsten and Nzar (Don't give me Dilshan is rubbish. Because Nazar isn't exactly Tendulkar)
Middle order: Sir Richards, Yousuf, Greig and Malik > Boon, Kallis, Thorpe and Vensarkar (I'd say I'd win this marginally simply because of Viv)
Lower order: Cairns and Parore >> More

Fast bowlers: Donald, Lillee. Cairns >>> Walsh, McDermot, McMillan
Spin: Kumble and Qasim > Doshi and Greig

Furthermore, crappy - can please keep some space between his 11 players and Qasim. I'm contending against 12 players currently.

I don't agree with this obviously. Will be replying bit later.
 
That said, I think I should be winning this

Openers: Gooch, Dilshan > Kirsten and Nzar (Don't give me Dilshan is rubbish. Because Nazar isn't exactly Tendulkar)
Middle order: Sir Richards, Yousuf, Greig and Malik > Boon, Kallis, Thorpe and Vensarkar (I'd say I'd win this marginally simply because of Viv)
Lower order: Cairns and Parore >> More

Fast bowlers: Donald, Lillee. Cairns >>> Walsh, McDermot, McMillan
Spin: Kumble and Qasim > Doshi and Greig

Furthermore, crappy - can please keep some space between his 11 players and Qasim. I'm contending against 12 players currently.


Your middle order is not better. Infact I would say TMM's is marginally better for sure.

This is another tough one.
 
Your middle order is not better. Infact I would say TMM's is marginally better for sure.

This is another tough one.

How isn't it? On paper it looks equal. If I go by the best batsmen in that order from both sides
Viv>Kallis
Yousuf>Boon
Thorpe>Grieg
Vensarkar=Malik

Mine has the added x factor of one of the best batsmen ever.

Not to mention that this lower order is non existent
 
He's got Big Mac and Kumble so I don't think his lower order is non existent. Not sure whey Kumble is below McDermott in the batting order.
 
Vengaskar = Malik?

I think not

Vensarkar was pretty much as much as Malik. He tends to get hyped up a bit. Even if I accept your point, our orders would be equal with mine having Viv and my openers and lower order winning it. His bowling has only got the spin edge with his pace bowling seriously lacking in fire power compared to mine. McMillan and Kallis while good bowlers weren't exactly frontline.

Malik, btw, does indeed have a great average (50+) for his position
 
Ah okay.

Anyway I wasn't too convinced by his bowling unit. McDermott and Walsh is a very good pair to start up with but I don't think they're someone who are guaranteed to get wickets up top, or perhaps I am being a bit harsh, and can be seen out by some quality top order batsmen. They're followed by Kallis, Kumble and Big Mac/Qasim. I think overall that has a lesser chance to take 20 wickets than IL's unit, apart from Kolkata where TMH is surely getting a win. But at Lord's Lillee and Donald look more dangerous to me.
 
Ah okay.

Anyway I wasn't too convinced by his bowling unit. McDermott and Walsh is a very good pair to start up with but I don't think they're someone who are guaranteed to get wickets up top, or perhaps I am being a bit harsh, and can be seen out by some quality top order batsmen. They're followed by Kallis, Kumble and Big Mac/Qasim. I think overall that has a lesser chance to take 20 wickets than IL's unit, apart from Kolkata where TMH is surely getting a win. But at Lord's Lillee and Donald look more dangerous to me.

Having Kumble in your team at Eden doesn't guarantee you a win. I have the batting to play Kumble. Gooch, Dilshan, Richards, Malik and Greig are all great at spin.
 
Your middle order is not better. Infact I would say TMM's is marginally better for sure.

This is another tough one.

I have no idea why you call me TMM but anyway...

Yes, my midfield is better than him. I don't agree his openers are better than mine. While comparing lower order, he has comfortably ignore McMillan while comparing Cairns and Parore with More. McMillan plays for me in Lord's. Also, Parore's average is no better than More and wasn't that consistent with bat. Wicketkeeping wise More >> Parore

Fast bowlers, his are better tha mine but not '>>>' I have Walsh who matches others in average, has a very good strike rate and lasted longer taking more wickets. He can bowl longer spells than Donald.In fast bowlers, he has ignored Kallis completely from my side!! wtf. The guy has 288 wickets and when he during the days when he was used as a bowler, he was better than Cairns. Only because of Lillee v Mcdermott I will give it to him, but marginally overall.

Kumble+Qasim just '>' than Doshi and Greig? Are you kidding me IL? This is the place where you use '>>>' and in my favour.

Openers I will say mine = IL
Middle Order: Mine > IL
Lower middle order IL > Mine, marginally as McMillan won't play 2 tests.
Wicketkeeping Mine > IL's (not considering abtting here, taken care of above in lower middle order)
Pace bowling IL > Mine
Spin bowling Mine >> IL

My spin bowling and stronger middle order will win me 2 matches, again Kolkata and SCG. My team is full of fighters and gritty batsmen and it won't be a cake walk for Donald and Lillee to get thrugh them twice, so '>>>' of his in pace is a very wrong assumption.
 
Having Kumble in your team at Eden doesn't guarantee you a win. I have the batting to play Kumble. Gooch, Dilshan, Richards, Malik and Greig are all great at spin.

It's a track that assists spinners, and not so much for the quicks. Your attack depends on quicker bowlers who may not get much help there with Kumble and Qasim given the conditions would certainly be more deadly IMO.
 
Vensarkar was pretty much as much as Malik. He tends to get hyped up a bit. Even if I accept your point, our orders would be equal with mine having Viv and my openers and lower order winning it. His bowling has only got the spin edge with his pace bowling seriously lacking in fire power compared to mine. McMillan and Kallis while good bowlers weren't exactly frontline.

Malik, btw, does indeed have a great average (50+) for his position

Say what?? Vengsarkar was one of the world's best in his peak years. When did Malik reached such heights? Vengsarkar was comfortably better than Malik, no question about it.
 
Having Kumble in your team at Eden doesn't guarantee you a win. I have the batting to play Kumble. Gooch, Dilshan, Richards, Malik and Greig are all great at spin.

By that logic, my batsmen are also more than capable of holding out against your pace battery. Don't say that but they both are best of all time. My batsmen, during their time had proved that they can get better of even the best bowling lineup.
 
I have no idea why you call me TMM but anyway...

Yes, my midfield is better than him. I don't agree his openers are better than mine. While comparing lower order, he has comfortably ignore McMillan while comparing Cairns and Parore with More. McMillan plays for me in Lord's. Also, Parore's average is no better than More and wasn't that consistent with bat. Wicketkeeping wise More >> Parore

Fast bowlers, his are better tha mine but not '>>>' I have Walsh who matches others in average, has a very good strike rate and lasted longer taking more wickets. He can bowl longer spells than Donald.In fast bowlers, he has ignored Kallis completely from my side!! wtf. The guy has 288 wickets and when he during the days when he was used as a bowler, he was better than Cairns. Only because of Lillee v Mcdermott I will give it to him, but marginally overall.

Kumble+Qasim just '>' than Doshi and Greig? Are you kidding me IL? This is the place where you use '>>>' and in my favour.


My spin bowling and stronger middle order will win me 2 matches, again Kolkata and SCG. My team is full of fighters and gritty batsmen and it won't be a cake walk for Donald and Lillee to get thrugh them twice, so '>>>' of his in pace is a very wrong assumption.



Openers I will say mine = IL Are you kidding me. Gooch is way better than both Kirsten and Nazar. Nazar is pretty much on par with Dilshan
Middle Order: Mine > IL feck go away. Viv Richards, Md yousuf are amongst the best middle order players in their era. Kallis was an awesome batsman. But for a moment don't try to sell me that he was better than Richard. Nor try and tell me that Boon is better than Yousuf. Boon was a decent 1 down. Its like calling Richie Richardson a top tier batsman. Vensarkar and Thorpe are pretty much the same as Malik and Grieg. Even if you marginally shade this contest, overall middle order would still be equal
Lower middle order IL > Mine, marginally as McMillan won't play 2 tests. Marginally? You just have More and Kumble. I have Cairns and Parore. Cairns alone takes it significantly better than yours
Wicketkeeping Mine > IL's (not considering abtting here, taken care of above in lower middle order): Why? More never kept to Walsh and McDermotts of the world. You just can't prove to me that he can keep with the bounce
Pace bowling IL > Mine: Hah! Just one ">" In your lords test, you'll have a 4 of Walsh McDermott, Kallis and McMillan. Walsh and Mcdermott are way poorer as a combo than Lillee and Donald. Caddick is pretty much a similar kind of bowler as Kallis. And Cairns is better than McMillan.
Spin bowling Mine >> IL: Here you get two tick, maybe. In Eden, I'll have Greig and Qasim. Don't hype up Qasim. He is pretty much was Dilip Doshi was. Greig vs Kumble take you higher but overall your bowling is poorer than mine.
 
"Vensarkar and Thorpe are pretty much the same as Malik and Grieg."

Disagree with that, IL. Both Vengsarkar and Thorpe are better than Malik and Greig. Thorpe was a fantastic test batsman.
 
Walsh and Mcdermott are way poorer than Lillee and Donald!
As if you never saw my players ever. Or talking crap for obvious reasons.
 
"Vensarkar and Thorpe are pretty much the same as Malik and Grieg."

Disagree with that, IL. Both Vengsarkar and Thorpe are better than Malik and Greig. Thorpe was a fantastic test batsman.

Caddick is pretty much a similar kind of bowler as Kallis.

Please read properly
 
"Vensarkar and Thorpe are pretty much the same as Malik and Grieg."

Disagree with that, IL. Both Vengsarkar and Thorpe are better than Malik and Greig. Thorpe was a fantastic test batsman.

Even then, my top two are better than his making our middle orders equal. I have the x factor of Viv
 
Walsh and Mcdermott are way poorer than Lillee and Donald!
As if you never saw my players ever. Or talking crap for obvious reasons.

Oh yeah. A Donald and a Lillee combo is singificantly better than a Walsh and a McDermott combo. Will yours run through a top order? Maybe. Will mine - 2x more chances than you
 
Oh yeah. A Donald and a Lillee combo is singificantly better than a Walsh and a McDermott combo. Will yours run through a top order? Maybe. Will mine - 2x more chances than you


It would go like this:

Lilee and Donald are the two best bowlers there. Then Walsh, and then Mcdermott (the weakest). I think IL's are significantly better.
 
Argh this is a tough one. IL's pace attack is better than TMH but TMH has Kumble who bowled at every damn surface in the world.
 
His top order is clearly weaker than mine. He just isn't rating Gooch which is weird.

My bowling is better than his bar the spinner, which I admit may create some problems at Eden. BUT I have players adept at playing aspin. ITs not like he has Saqlain or Murli. His is Kumble and Qasim Now before he bigs up Qasim, he is in pretty much a middling spinner like Dilip Doshi. His big advantage is Kumble whci may or may not work. In every other department I can match him or outdo him
 
Argh this is a tough one. IL's pace attack is better than TMH but TMH has Kumble who bowled at every damn surface in the world.

So the look at the batting Karan. Look at the gaps in his lower order (More and Kumble vs Cairns and Pareore in 2 matches), his top order (Goochie vs Kirsten) and the fact that I have arguably the best batsman ever. Yousuf is probably on par with Kallis in batting.

I take all the big match ups bar spin. Not to mention that I have the bitch like characters to grind out victories. Greig, Richards, Gooch, Donald and Lillee were mean mean bastards.

That's it. I'm done. See you guys tomorrow.
 
His top order is clearly weaker than mine. He just isn't rating Gooch which is weird.

My bowling is better than his bar the spinner, which I admit may create some problems at Eden. BUT I have players adept at playing aspin. ITs not like he has Saqlain or Murli. His is Kumble and Qasim Now before he bigs up Qasim, he is in pretty much a middling spinner like Dilip Doshi. His big advantage is Kumble whci may or may not work. In every other department I can match him or outdo him

You have made similar point earlier as well. That way, my batsmen are adept at playing pace very well. And what did you say? Saqlain? :lol:

So, kumble may or may not work in India but sure Donald and Lillee will work 200%? Give me a break.
 
Openers - Very close but IL for me. Gooch swings it in his favour.
Number 3 - IL by a country mile courtesy Viv.
4,5 and 6 - TMH. Kallis is the best of the lot in that group for me. Also rate THorpe very highly
Number 7 and WK - Very even.
Spin - TMH has the clear edge here. Kumble vs Doshi when he plays is a no contest and two of the wickets are spin friendly.
Fast bowling - IL for me. Donald, Lillee and Cairns are better and more imposing than his TMH's trio.

Voting IL