Cricket draft- KM vs NM
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You are directly comparing stats from the 70s to the 90s - good job. Chappell and Kallicharran are comfortably better (IMO) than anything you have in your middle order. I would argue (using your stats
) that Inzy is too!You are directly comparing stats from the 70s to the 90s - good job. Chappell and Kallicharran are comfortably better (IMO) than anything you have in your middle order. I would argue (using your stats
What?
Azharuddin, Ganguly, Jimmy Adams and Inzi played in the same era.
So did Dean Jones and Kallicharan. I might add Kallicharan didn't need to face the world's best bowlers as each and every one of them were in his team.
Wrong - Kallicharran bludgeoned his own teammates - in actual games. Read the article I posted. Chappell is comfortably better than anything you have, and probably the best middle order batsmen of the 70s.
Dean Jones started his test career after Kallicharran played his last test so I have no clue what you are saying there.
That isn't even considering the openers - your beloved stats show that mine are better than yours.
KM - let's cool off a bit and let the other cnuts (who are watching and laughing) contribute!
Chapell, Inzi, Imran are quality batsmen alongwith Jimmy who is so so. Kalicharan is somewhere in the middle because he was a bit hit and miss. KM's middle of Jones, Ganguly, Azhar, Flower and Kapil may not be of KM's quality but make up with quantity (imo, extra batsman). Ganguly and Flower at their peak were great. Jones was pretty much like Kallicharan.
Bowling too is weird to compare because it becomes a variety vs quality issue.
Too late to decide. Will do so tomorrw
Bowling too is weird to compare because it becomes a variety vs quality issue.
Too late to decide. Will do so tomorrw
Yeah.
I'm off to watch Ram Leela, will probably catch up on this thread in the half time.
I'm off to watch Ram Leela, will probably catch up on this thread in the half time.
Just checked, no-one has voted till yet!
You all are cnuts. Good night.
You all are cnuts. Good night.
You can't compare Jones and Kailli - Jones started his career after Kalli finished his. Inzy is a better player than Azhar - let's ask everybody here, and I'm sure we can reach a consensus.
MacGill is better by stats and the fecking naked eye man. You have some bizarre love affair with him when he isn't good. I also have another spinner - Yardley. You cannot ignore him.
Jimmy Adams averaged 40 - just a little less than Ganguly. IF you use stats, you can't call him a joke.
Do you want to use placement stats or not - sometimes you say let's not use them, whle now you are using them yourself. Let's stick to one.
Interesting discussion going on between you two, so at least me want to give both of you enough chance to explain your sides before I cast my precious vote. Otherwise we could have had votes only and get done with it quickly I am holding off my vote as well....
I have to say I rate NM's team a shade higher. His batting's better - especially the middle order and the bowling has enough in it to get KM's line-up out a couple of times. KM's batting just doesn't have the solidity to win a 3 match series.
Well what areas do you want the discussion kn? You guys can add to it rather thsn just have me and km talk to each other
I prefer KM's bowling though. Ambrose, Willis and Dev upfront are good enough to expose his middle order up top. I think NM's batting will make or break on Chappel and Inzy. KM's batting looks weak on first look but it's the same situation as NM for him. But likes of Flower, Ganguly and Azhar would milk NM's two spinners in the middle overs.
Woops.. Ii forgot to make the votes here public. Can any mod change that?
Think you are underratimg kalli then. He smashed his own west indian teammates around. I urge you to read the article. Im surprised the greater variety in my bowling is seen as a weakness rather than strength.
Tbf to NM, Imran counts as a quality batsman to your list of Inzi and Chappel, Crappy.
Kallicharan was good, but not the most reliable player around. Think Ganguly but with more panache.
fecks sake, this movie is not ending. fecking dire.
My fiancee wants to see it tomorrow. I am not going now.
My fiancee wants to see it tomorrow. I am not going now.
Get ready for the doghouse.
This - Imran averaged 50 with the bat in his last ten years FFS! He also averaged 19 with the ball in that time - better than Ambrose!
My fiancee wants to see it tomorrow. I am not going now.
Run for your life.
Seriously.
feck knows how this movie got good reviews.
Is it Ramleela? I'm being bullied to go see it tomorrow as well. "For the spectacle" she says. I'm going to get sozzled before I step into the theatre.
Yeah it's better but not better enough in my opinion. I wouldn't bet on Azhar and Ganguly with Garner bowling at them. They've done okay against swing but shortpitched stuff, they've never been able to handle.
Is KM up? I'll probably be off-line now thru the end of the match.. Hope it doesn't cost me
Yeah I'm here. Watching cricket.
Have you voted?
No I didn't. Im sleeping now. Im offline fir the next 8 hours
Well OK, this is what I think.
Openers: Saeed Anwar + Alec Stewart > Marsh and Mohsin Khan, marginally.
3rd and 4th: Kallicharran + Chappell > Dean Jones + Andy Flower.
I see the stats of Dean Jones provided by KM in the 3 countries and compared with Kallicharran, but you have got to understand that here kallicharran will be facing Ambrose, Willis, Fraser, Kapil, Herath and Dean Jones will be facing Imran, Srinath, Garner, MacGill and Yardley. So, we can't just see average of 93 and 59 in isolation but we need to try to get the best estimate of how these 2 will do against respective opposition attack they are facing AND not how they did against say Indian attack on Indian pitches when they played here. How you do it? By guesstimating from the opposition bowlers' performance in same condition. How Garner, Imran, Srinath did in India and how would Dean Jones perform against them, on an average? So, let's say Dean Jones is facing Garner, Imran even in kolkata, to me it is unlikely he can have an average of 93. This kind of analysis should apply for each area to have the best guess. Then there are other factors. From my father, I have always heard that Kallicharran was a special batsman. For the players from yesteryear we have to rely a bit on such info if we can find it. Mind you, there can be bit of nostalgia involved, so it needs to be seen along with stats.
TL,DR: I need more analysis, opposition bowler's wise on Jones vs Kallicharran.
Chappell is comfortably better than Flower.
Inzy+Adams < Ganguly+ cnut Azfecker. Plus, 2 matches are in Lord's and kolkata, so KM's 5th-6th are comfortably better.
Allrounder: Imran > Kapil. Nothing much to discuss here.
Bowling: Spin: NM's > KM's. Macgill I rate higher than Herath. Plus, NM has additional spinner which he can use in kolkata and Sydney.
Pace: KM's > NM's. Although not by much but mainly due to the fact that KM is better stocked in this area than NM.
So, right now, unless KM can convince further on how Jones is a better player than Kallicharran, my vote will go to NM. 3 areas in favour of NM to 2 in favour of KM IMO. Personally, I would have taken Kallicharran ahead of Jones all day long, but given some good stats have been provided by KM for Jones on these 3 pitches, I want some more explanation on how he would achieve same vs better attack or if not that, do better than kallicharran.
Openers: Saeed Anwar + Alec Stewart > Marsh and Mohsin Khan, marginally.
3rd and 4th: Kallicharran + Chappell > Dean Jones + Andy Flower.
I see the stats of Dean Jones provided by KM in the 3 countries and compared with Kallicharran, but you have got to understand that here kallicharran will be facing Ambrose, Willis, Fraser, Kapil, Herath and Dean Jones will be facing Imran, Srinath, Garner, MacGill and Yardley. So, we can't just see average of 93 and 59 in isolation but we need to try to get the best estimate of how these 2 will do against respective opposition attack they are facing AND not how they did against say Indian attack on Indian pitches when they played here. How you do it? By guesstimating from the opposition bowlers' performance in same condition. How Garner, Imran, Srinath did in India and how would Dean Jones perform against them, on an average? So, let's say Dean Jones is facing Garner, Imran even in kolkata, to me it is unlikely he can have an average of 93. This kind of analysis should apply for each area to have the best guess. Then there are other factors. From my father, I have always heard that Kallicharran was a special batsman. For the players from yesteryear we have to rely a bit on such info if we can find it. Mind you, there can be bit of nostalgia involved, so it needs to be seen along with stats.
TL,DR: I need more analysis, opposition bowler's wise on Jones vs Kallicharran.
Chappell is comfortably better than Flower.
Inzy+Adams < Ganguly+ cnut Azfecker. Plus, 2 matches are in Lord's and kolkata, so KM's 5th-6th are comfortably better.
Allrounder: Imran > Kapil. Nothing much to discuss here.
Bowling: Spin: NM's > KM's. Macgill I rate higher than Herath. Plus, NM has additional spinner which he can use in kolkata and Sydney.
Pace: KM's > NM's. Although not by much but mainly due to the fact that KM is better stocked in this area than NM.
So, right now, unless KM can convince further on how Jones is a better player than Kallicharran, my vote will go to NM. 3 areas in favour of NM to 2 in favour of KM IMO. Personally, I would have taken Kallicharran ahead of Jones all day long, but given some good stats have been provided by KM for Jones on these 3 pitches, I want some more explanation on how he would achieve same vs better attack or if not that, do better than kallicharran.
Voted for NM. His team looks marginally better to me. KM's team will win Lord's test but NM's team will win Kolkata and SCG
Ok, this looks a little better for me now.
Good game KM
feck off you cnut.
nice game
nice game