Cricket draft- KM vs NM

Who will win a 3 match test series?

  • KM

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • NM

    Votes: 9 69.2%

  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .

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Hello and welcome to Group D round robin match of test cricket draft.

Please keep in mind that The voters are being asked to choose a team that will prevail over a three match series on these respective grounds.
  • Eden Gardens, Kolkatta
  • Lords, London
  • SCG, Sydney


Saeed Anwar (LHB): Top class opener, and was absolutely brilliant to watch. He was a very good stroke player. His career was shorter than it should have been because he took time away from the game due to a family tragedy, and he wasn't the same player after it. Averaged 45.5, scored 4000 runs, made 11 hundreds @ a strike rate of 55.

Alec Stewart (RHB) (WK): Stewart is a solid opener who was especially good against the quicks. It is hard to judge his average – it drops when he keeps, and rises substantially when he opens. I’ll just leave his career stats here. Averaged 39.54, scored 8500 runs, made 15 hundreds @ a strike rate of 48.66

Alvin Kallicharran (LHB): Another little master. Standing at only 5 foot 5He was considered among the best in the world in the 70s, and was still in his prime when dropped due to him taking part in a rebel tour. His West Indies career was cut short when he took part in a rebel tour to South Africa. He continued playing club cricket though – and fared very well against his former teammates (see below article). Averaged 44.43 (in the 70s and 80s!), scored 4400 runs, and made 12 100s (No strike rate available)
Here is an article written about him by his son: http://www.alloutcricket.com/blogs/comment/alvin-kallicharan-west-indies-63

Greg Chappell (RHB) (VC): One of the premier batsmen of the 70s and early 80s. He did not average below 45 against any opponent. He made a century in his first and final Tests and 22 more in between. However, the most outstanding batting of his career left no trace on the record-books, his 621 runs at 69 in five unauthorized World Series Cricket "SuperTests" in the Caribbean in 1979, off a West Indian attack of unprecedented hostility. Averaged 53.86 (in the 70s and 80s!), scored 7100 runs and made 24 100s (No strike rate available). Got 47 wickets with his part-time medium pace.

Inzamam-ul-Haq (RHB): Inzy is one of my personal favorite players. He played from the early 90s thru 2007 – so he faced some very good bowling in the first 10 odd years of his career. He was (IMO) among the top middle order batsmen of the last 20 odd years. I don’t think I need to talk too much about him. I’ll only say that he has been promised free food for life if he doesn’t run any of his teammates out! Averaged 49.60, scored 8800 runs and made 25 100s @ a strike rate of 54.02

Jimmy Adams (LHB): Jimmy will complement the stroke-makers above him in the order. He is naturally defensive, and will be able to anchor the innings while the others above (and below!) him play their shots. He is also a useful part-time spin option. Averaged 41.26, scored 3000 runs, and made 6 100s @ a strike rate of 37.57. Got 27 wickets with his part-time spin.

Imran Khan (RHB) (RMF) (Captain): I’m not going to say much – Probably the best all-rounder after Sobers. He will lead my team by example and inspire them to dominate with bat and ball – just like him. In his last 10 years of international cricket he played 51 Tests, averaging a sensational 50 with the bat and 19 with the ball.Averaged 22.81, and took 362 wickets @ a strike rate of 53
Averaged 37.69, scored 3800 runs and made 6 100s (no strike rate available)

Bruce Yardley (RHB) (OFF-SPIN): He is (along with Mallett) one of the two best off spinners Australia have ever had. He was also an exceptional fielder, and a useful batsman – he averages nearly 20. He will bowl alongside MacGill, and they will form a very good off-spin/leg-spin combo. Averaged 31.63, took 126 wickets @ a strike rate of 70.

Javagal Srinath (RHB) (RF): India’s work-horse of the 90s. Srinath will be a very useful 3rd bowler, and will also be very useful at the Eden Gardens – he averages 26 in India. Throughout his career, his was THE main strike bowler. Being 3rd option will take that pressure off him, and bowling with a GREAT fast bowler at the other end can only help him. IMO, he is a much better bowler than the stats suggest. He had no support, and was often a 1 man pace attack (Venkatesh Prasad doesn’t fecking count!). Averaged 30.49, took 236 wickets @ a strike rate of 64.

Joel Garner (RHB) (RF): The “Big Bird”. One of the great West Indian quicks – there’s not much I should have to say about him – one of the best fast bowlers ever – he can bounce you out, break your leg (or stump!) or get you caught in the slips. Averaged 20.97, took 259 wickets @ a strike rate of 50.8

Stuart MacGill (RHB) (Leg-Spin): Australia’s second best spinner of the past 20 years. He will always be compared unfavorably with Warne, but his record is nothing to sniff at. He has a brilliant strike rate, and will bowl well under pressure – every time he played, his performance was scrutinized and compared to Warne. Averaged 29.02, took 208 wickets @ a strike rate of 54.

Jeremy Coney: 12th man (not used) – Right handed batsmen and medium pacer. I will decide whether to play him at one of the grounds later.

Averaged 37.57, scored 2660 runs and 3 100s. Averaged 36, took 27 wickets with the ball.


Thoughts on the game: I'll talk tactics in detail the thread tomorrow afternoon/evening. The way I see it, I have a stronger middle order, better openers and greater variety in the bowling. I think my spinners are also much better than his (If I'm correct - Herath averages 40 outside Sri Lanka!!). Overall, I see my boys bowling him out with no issue at all. He has great bowlers - Kapil, Ambrose and Willis - but I have great batsmen, and think mine will outscore his comfortably.

Mohsin, Geoff Marsh, Jones, Flower(WK), Azharuddin, Ganguly, Kapil(C), Herath, Amrose, Willis, Fraser
Player Profiles:

Mohsin Khan- The stylish opener from Pakistan. Made consecutive centuries in Australia. Has only played 4 innings in Lords but has scored a mammoth 316 runs in them. Dealt with pacers easily and had a great average of 37 which was very good at that time.

Geoff Marsh- The gritty opener from Australia. He’s a great foil for Mohsin as he’ll ensure that he’ll keep his wicket and taking the shine off new ball. Had a respectable average of 34.

Dean Jones- Incredible batsman and had an average of 48 at that time which was excellent. Averaged an astonishing 93 in India and 70 in England. Can deal with pace and spin easily.

Andy Flower- The second best wicket keeper batsman in the history of cricket after Gilly. Had an brilliant average of 50 and was one of the best players of spin in that era which is highlighted by the fact that he averaged more than 110 in India. Also a great wicketkeeper.

Azharuddin- A very stylish batsman who was incredible to watch in full flow. He and Tendulkar were the only who looked capable batsman on foreign pitches in 1990’s when the rest of Indian batting looked rubbish. Also loved Eden Gardens and in innings he scored 860 runs with the help of 5 centuries and 2 half-centuries.


Ganguly- No Description needed.


Kapil Dev- Again nothing more to describe other than the fact that he was India’s greatest bowler, allrounder and Captain. Lovely swing bowler and hard hitting batsman. Team Captain.

Herath- Underrated spinner who just completed 200 wickets at an average of 30 which is very good in this time of flat pitches and smaller grounds. Has played most of his career in Sri Lanka, but he showed in his performances against Australia in Australia that he’s a class bowler.

Ambrose- Averaged 19 and 20 in Australia and England. One of the greatest ever. Nuff said.

Bob Willis- Took more than 300 wickets for England and has a legitimate claim for being England’s greatest fast bowler ever. He, Ambrose and Kapil will be my front line pace attack bowlers.



Angus Fraser- Underrated bowler who has more than 175 wickets at a very good average. Will be a nice foil for other pacers.
 
My word, that's a middle order from heaven NM's got.

The way I see it, NM's bowling is marginally weaker, because Willis, Ambrose and Dev are three top quality bowlers to have in any team, and Fraser to follow is no mug. KM seems to have compromised on his openers though...not familiar with Khan or Marsh's stats, but neither were highly rated by my granddad :P, and he's pretty fecking good with his cricket. KM's batting definitely weaker than NM.
 
His middle order is better, agreed but with Azhar, Jones, Flower and Ganguly, my middle order has loads of class.

I've three top class pace bowlers whereas NM have two even though Srinath was pretty underrated.

His openers are no better than mine IMO. Having an average of 35 in 80's was pretty good.
 
His middle order is better, agreed but with Azhar, Jones, Flower and Ganguly, my middle order has loads of class.

I've three top class pace bowlers whereas NM have two even though Srinath was pretty underrated.

His openers are no better than mine IMO. Having an average of 35 in 80's was pretty good.


My openers and middle order are better IMO. I can do stat checks, but I BELIEVE Azhar and Ganguly will be found wanting abroad - have to check this. Your three quicks are very good - agreed, but the only place you have an advantage is Willis vs Srinath - and that is in the two games outside India. In India, Srinath averages 26, and was very good. However, I destroy you in the spin department. MacGill and Yardley are miles ahead of Herath. He averages 40!! outside Sri Lanka. I also have 5 front-line bowlers - and 2 part-timers. I believe you boast 4 bowlers and Ganguly.. Will they even be able to bowl me out?
 
My word, that's a middle order from heaven NM's got.

The way I see it, NM's bowling is marginally weaker, because Willis, Ambrose and Dev are three top quality bowlers to have in any team, and Fraser to follow is no mug. KM seems to have compromised on his openers though...not familiar with Khan or Marsh's stats, but neither were highly rated by my granddad :P, and he's pretty fecking good with his cricket. KM's batting definitely weaker than NM.


His quicks may be a little better than mine (due to Srinath vs Willis) but in India Srinath was very good - that advantage is negated for one of the tests. In the spin department, MaGill and Yardley are comfortably better than Herath IMO.
 
My openers and middle order are better IMO. I can do stat checks, but I BELIEVE Azhar and Ganguly will be found wanting abroad - have to check this. Your three quicks are very good - agreed, but the only place you have an advantage is Willis vs Srinath - and that is in the two games outside India. In India, Srinath averages 26, and was very good. However, I destroy you in the spin department. MacGill and Yardley are miles ahead of Herath. He averages 40!! outside Sri Lanka. I also have 5 front-line bowlers - and 2 part-timers. I believe you boast 4 bowlers and Ganguly.. Will they even be able to bowl me out?


I've 5 frontline bowlers. Herath, Fraser, Willis, Dev and Ambrose. My bowlers have around 1600 wickets, I'm sure they'll be able to bowl you out.

As for Azhar and Ganguly, they had 42 and 65 in average in England That's higher than Inzy's average in England btw. Jimmy Adams btw had an average of 24 and 25 in England and Australia respectively :lol:

Herath is no way worse than MacGill. You gotta be kidding me.
 
I have 5 bowlers to his 4 - keep that in mind too. His quicks may be a little better than mine (due to Srinath vs Willis) but in India Srinath was very good - that advantage is negated for one of the tests. In the spin department, MaGill and Yardley are comfortably better than Herath IMO.

What?

Have you even read my team?
 
I've 5 frontline bowlers. Herath, Fraser, Willis, Dev and Ambrose. My bowlers have around 1600 wickets, I'm sure they'll be able to bowl you out.

As for Azhar and Ganguly, they had 42 and 65 in average in England That's higher than Inzy's average in England btw. Jimmy Adams btw had an average of 24 and 25 in England and Australia respectively :lol:

Herath is no way worse than MacGill. You gotta be kidding me.

With regards to Azhar and Ganguly - I said I think. I didn't state it as fact.

With regards to your bowlers being able to bowl me out - they may be. But mine will get your batsmen out cheaper and quicker.

Ganguly averaged 34 in Aus, 27 in Nz, and 26 in SA Azhar averged 27 in Aus, 23 in SA and 19 in WI. My point is proven.

Also MacGill is by far a better spinner than Herath. He can do it in more conditions, isn't useful only in Sri Lanka (where we don't play!) and I also have Yardley and 2 part time spin options. You have four seamers and 1 spinner.

Herath is a non-factor in this game.
 
In fact I'd like to an average comparison of my middle order and NM's middle order

Kalicharan's average in Aus, England and India is 42, 30 and 59. Dean Jones's average in the same countries is 49, 72 and 93.
Greg Chappell was better than Andy Flower.
Inzamam's average in Aus, England and India is 30, 42 and 55. Azhar's average in the same countries is 27, 42 and 55. Again not a difference
Jimmy Adams was a joke batsman, I'm not even gonna bother him to compare with Ganguly.

It's pretty much even IMO. If MacGill is a better bowler than Herath jsut on the basis of stats then My middle order is better than him by stats.
 
With regards to Azhar and Ganguly - I said I think. I didn't state it as fact.

With regards to your bowlers being able to bowl me out - they may be. But mine will get your batsmen out cheaper and quicker.

Ganguly averaged 34 in Aus, 27 in Nz, and 26 in SA Azhar averged 27 in Aus, 23 in SA and 19 in WI. My point is proven.

Also MacGill is by far a better spinner than Herath. He can do it in more conditions, isn't useful only in Sri Lanka (where we don't play!) and I also have Yardley and 2 part time spin options. You have four seamers and 1 spinner.

Herath is a non-factor in this game.


The matches aren't happening in NZ and SA, so why the average in their country hold any importance whatsoever?

The pitches in NZ and Australia aren't similar.
 
With regards to Azhar and Ganguly - I said I think. I didn't state it as fact.

With regards to your bowlers being able to bowl me out - they may be. But mine will get your batsmen out cheaper and quicker.

Ganguly averaged 34 in Aus, 27 in Nz, and 26 in SA Azhar averged 27 in Aus, 23 in SA and 19 in WI. My point is proven.

Also MacGill is by far a better spinner than Herath. He can do it in more conditions, isn't useful only in Sri Lanka (where we don't play!) and I also have Yardley and 2 part time spin options. You have four seamers and 1 spinner.

Herath is a non-factor in this game.


So Herath stats in SL aren't useful because we don't play there but Ganguly and Azhar's stats in NZ and SA are relevant. You see a contradiction here?
 
So Herath stats in SL aren't useful because we don't play there but Ganguly and Azhar's stats in NZ and SA are relevant. You see a contradiction here?

Heraths stats show he will be useless at all three venues. Azhar and ganguly are suspect against a moving ball in foriegn conditions.. your eyes can tell you this as well.
 
Heraths stats show he will be useless at all three venues. Azhar and ganguly are suspect against a moving ball in foriegn conditions.. your eyes can tell you this as well.
Not at all.

Both Ganguly and Azhar have got excellent record in England.

Ganguly scored 2 centuries in his first two innings in England FFS.
 
Not at all.

Both Ganguly and Azhar have got excellent record in England.

Ganguly scored 2 centuries in his first two innings in England FFS.


England isn't the only country where the ball moves KM. They are very good players - don't get me wrong ( I love Dada and loved Azhar until the cnut fixed), but IMO they were a little suspect. Herath just isn't good enough. I think others will agree with me there.

Btw, two of us are arguing and nobody is voting! :lol:
 
Well we're playing in England, so I'm not sure why any other place counts?

Anyway let's not be sad cnuts and spend friday night arguing about fantasy teams on an internet forum. You live in India right, let's start it tomorrow morning?
 
Well we're playing in England, so I'm not sure why any other place counts?

Anyway let's not be sad cnuts and spend friday night arguing about fantasy teams on an internet forum. You live in India right, let's start it tomorrow morning?

I think the venues were chosen to have a variety of conditions so that all players can demonstrate their ability and no one is restricted due to the surface. They weren't really meant to be specific in terms of grounds or countries. For example, you have Eden Gardens to have a surface that provides turn for a spinner, simple as.
 
Well we're playing in England, so I'm not sure why any other place counts?

Anyway let's not be sad cnuts and spend friday night arguing about fantasy teams on an internet forum. You live in India right, let's start it tomorrow morning?


You are playing in 3 venues - Lords, SCG and Eden Gardens, so it does matter. We are not playing just in England. I'm in the US, so I can argue all day! IMO, In Eden Gardens, my 2 spinners + Srinath almost guarantees me a win - or at minimum a draw. I just don't see how you can claim Herath is a great bowler here as he simply isn't.
 
You are playing in 3 venues - Lords, SCG and Eden Gardens, so it does matter. We are not playing just in England. I'm in the US, so I can argue all day! IMO, In Eden Gardens, my 2 spinners + Srinath almost guarantees me a win - or at minimum a draw. I just don't see how you can claim Herath is a great bowler here as he simply isn't.


Out of those three venues, only Lords have the factor of moving ball.

The other two SCG and Eden Gardens don't offer much in swinging the ball.
 
Yeah I'm reading all of it, it's really close so would prefer to read all the arguments before making a call.

But it really isn't - let's go area by area. Is what I am saying incorrect?

Openers: NM>KM
Middle Order: NM>>KM
Fast Bowlers: KM>NM (mainly due to having 4 - and this matchup should be equal at Eden Gardens)
Spinners: NM>>KM

What am I missing?
 
But it really isn't - let's go area by area. Is what I am saying incorrect?

Openers: NM>KM
Middle Order: NM>>KM
Fast Bowlers: KM>NM (mainly due to having 4 - and this matchup should be equal at Eden Gardens)
Spinners: NM>>KM

What am I missing?


Alec Steward had an average of 24 in India and 31 in Australia. He is crap. Saeed Anwar was good but my openers are better than you.
 
I think the venues were chosen to have a variety of conditions so that all players can demonstrate their ability and no one is restricted due to the surface. They weren't really meant to be specific in terms of grounds or countries. For example, you have Eden Gardens to have a surface that provides turn for a spinner, simple as.


Are you really going to tell me that Azhar and Ganguly had a problem with moving ball?
 
Are you sure his fast bowlers are better? Imran, Garner, Srinath vs Ambrose, Kapil, Willis. Imran is the best of the lot, and that is coming from an Ambrose fan, but then Srinath is the worst.

You should play up Imran a bit, he was phenomenal and If I had to pick someone to decide this fixture it would be him.
 
Are you really going to tell me that Azhar and Ganguly had a problem with moving ball?

I am not, just saying, as I have before, there's not much relevance going to deep in ground/country stats and as a reader it doesn't help me much.

Ganguly had a problem against the short ball, not a moving ball.
 
Jimmy Adams and Rangana Herath:lol:

Like an alternate universe within this game
 
Are you sure his fast bowlers are better? Imran, Garner, Srinath vs Ambrose, Kapil, Willis. Imran is the best of the lot, and that is coming from an Ambrose fan, but then Srinath is the worst.

You should play up Imran a bit, he was phenomenal and If I had to pick someone to decide this fixture it would be him.


I am only giving him the seamers because he has 4. Imran is the best all-rounder in this draft. Average of fricking 19!!! in his last ten years
 
Look at his bowling averages in the 3 countries.

Macgill might not be great but you're going to have to play a blinder to convince anyone about Herath


I'm not convincing anyone about Herath. In India he's good enough. Falls short outside but MacGill wasn't that good at all.
 
Alec Steward had an average of 24 in India and 31 in Australia. He is crap. Saeed Anwar was good but my openers are better than you.


I don't think anybody knows who your openners are tbh. One of them had pretty poor averages in other countries too - I'll dig it up after work.

Bottom line. My batting is better than yours. My spinners are better than yours. Your quicks are marginally (Due to having 4) better than mine. I should win this easy.
 
I'm not convincing anyone about Herath. In India he's good enough. Falls short outside but MacGill wasn't that good at all.


Why don't you think MacGill is good. Stats and "seeing" him prove otherwise. Back it up...

I also have Yardley. An offie and leggie bowling in tandem is very dangerous. Your spinner is the weakest of the lot. I don't think anybody can argue with that.
 
I don't think anybody knows who your openners are tbh. One of them had pretty poor averages in other countries too - I'll dig it up after work.

Bottom line. My batting is better than yours. My spinners are better than yours. Your quicks are marginally (Due to having 4) better than mine. I should win this easy.


:lol:

Your batting is better only in your world. I refuse to acknowledge any batting line up which has Jimmy Adams coming in at 6. FFS.
 
Why don't you think MacGill is good. Stats and "seeing" him prove otherwise. Back it up...

I also have Yardley. An offie and leggie bowling in tandem is very dangerous. Your spinner is the weakest of the lot. I don't think anybody can argue with that.


Well by Stats, my middle order is better than yours.

You tend to use stats at your convenience, I'm just doing the same.
 
:lol:

Your batting is better only in your world. I refuse to acknowledge any batting line up which has Jimmy Adams coming in at 6. FFS.


Your picking on one batsman because the others are clearly better than yours. My number 7 averaged 50 in his last 50 tests, and the openers and middle order are btter than yours.
 
I'm not convincing anyone about Herath. In India he's good enough. Falls short outside but MacGill wasn't that good at all.

He has an average in the 50's in India...

MacGill is easily the better spinner in this game and has better all round stats despite not playing in as many spin friendly pitches as Herath. You have the better seamers though
 
Well by Stats, my middle order is better than yours.

You tend to use stats at your convenience, I'm just doing the same.


KM, do some research on Kallicharran and Chappell before you talk about your middle order being better mate.

Also - let me know when you need to sleep. We can quit the arguing then - I'll be offline for a couple of hours shortly.