Too much emphasis being given to numbers, specially with players we have seen live there's not much need to dwell into them so much. Pretty common knowledge that both Dilshan and Sohail aren't gonna change anything in these games.
Cricket Draft - Interval_Level vs MJJ
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No. I get that. Tbh, thats exactly what I told you in my first post on Dilshan. But people here are treating him like a muggish number 11. Dilshan is a better opener than Sohail and maybe even Mohammad.
That said, found a few gems on youtube
To be fair, Dilshan is not going to survive Akram, Akhtar and Lee
Nice one, makes me think that Roberts is a tad underrated and gets lost among the Marshalls, the Holdings, and The Garners. I don't think, from my knowledge, any bowler was meaner than him.
True and neither is Sohail surviving lillee or Donald.
Thought the exact same. Roberts was the least expected for me out of these
Have you watched the documentary Fire in Babylon? It highlighted Roberts quite a bit and even when you had Holding doing the damage and all, Roberts would go there and aim for the chin, nothing else.
I intent to soon. Heard about it only when researching for this draftHave you watched the documentary Fire in Babylon? It highlighted Roberts quite a bit and even when you had Holding doing the damage and all, Roberts would go there and aim for the chin, nothing else.
The Regulator adds
With regards to Dilshan not surviving:
I'd rather have Dilshan 21 (29) B. Akram C Latif
than:
Sohail/Mohammed 4 ( 34) lbw Donald
With regards to Dilshan not surviving:
I'd rather have Dilshan 21 (29) B. Akram C Latif
than:
Sohail/Mohammed 4 ( 34) lbw Donald
I don't know much about Mohammed, this is what cricinfo says :
Might be a bit unfair, that.
Might be a bit unfair, that.
It's jingoistic and fun. Some compelling moments.
I've loved Roberts since I was a kid and my Mom made me watch a series of videos of the Windians bullying teams into submission. The languid brilliance of Holding was etched into my memory, but it was the absolute carnage Roberts caused that stays with me to this day.
Thats a lot of posts. Okay to summarize, shoaib mohammad is a much much better batsman than dilshan, the reason I am mentioning his stats in NZ is to show he can handle the short bowls easily. Note, am not making a similar argument for A.Sohail. I simply dont rate caddick so mentioned that and dont think there is anything wrong with that view. And yes find me an england fan who would pick caddick over flintoff. I already mentioned the fact that my players are better than their stats suggest.The reason why I mention akhtar's deliveries was to underline this point again, find me another bowler who has gotten tendulkar and dravid bowled in that manner and I will concede it was a one off. And yes they can bowl 4-5 spells of 90+ considering they would never have to bowl more than seven overs in a row compared to your bowlers. I have shown u griegs average and strike rate, you are not getting any luck with him. Compared to saqlain mushtaq who will be a better spinner, specially in India.
I have watched yousaf and malik bat all my life and they never looked comfortable against the short ball, which their would be plenty off. Your team middle order can be exploited and I have the players to do it once I get past the viv-gooch axis. And yes dilshan is a mug when facing my bowlers. Simple as that. And how many times has broad made 150 against Pakistan? The reason why I pointed out their HS is because you seem to be suggesting that my batsman are too weak to score even 300 which I can easily defend.
Again watch caddick and lee, no one in their right mind would pick caddick over lee. And did you forget flintoff's hundred with the tail against australia? The very definition of grinding out an innings. And yes if its for a whole series then I can point to him facing the best australian bowling attack similar to how you are doing with gooch and akram.
And I only mentioned two of your pacers, donald and lillee as their replacements arent as good as mine. So stamina is a bigger issue for you than me.
It isn't fair that MJJ is playing 2 vs 1 in the arguments. The rules should be the same as the football draft. EITHER the assistant or the manager argues at a time. Not both together.
Yep, agreed.
He's a very angry young man.
MJJ has an excellent bowling lineup but that batting lineup will push him back. There's no real standout there
erm to the best of my knowledge there is no site out there that measures the average speed of a bowler for every spell he has bowled. If there is, point me towards it and I will find you what you asked me to. And yes it can be done if they ball short spells of overs and are constantly rotated. I have played cricket and obviously have watched it as well. Would be pretty stupid to take part in a draft otherwise.
And no am not using NZ as a benchmark but as a proof that he can play short balls as he has done so in the past to great success.
Regarding caddick thats my personal view. I would rather have flintoff as I feel he is more likely to get a wicket compared to caddick. I made that statement in my OP so its not like I am out of ideas so am resorting to it but a simple fact that i believe in. If flintoff hadnt gotten injured so much in the latter half of his career, he would have much better stats. Same with akhtar, at his peak he was an incredibly destructive bowler but had fitness and off the field issues which meant his stats arent as good as they can be. And you are comparing my fiftth choice bowler with your third and the difference isnt huge. Thats exactly why my team is more effective as a bowling unit.
I plan to use saqlain as a wicket taking option, he would come in if my fast bowlers dont have much success. If he is getting spin and turn then he will occupy one end while I rotate from the other. If the fast bowlers are getting wickets then I will hold him back.
Sorry but can you tell me what the vids show? For some stupid reason youtube is banned here so have no idea what the videos are about.
You want me to argue why dilshan wont last against my bowling attack? Seriously? Moving on from that, Salim and yousaf are suspectible against short pitch bowling, yousaf in particular early in his innings. I will get wasim and one of lee/akhtar bowling in tandem which should provide a quick breakthrough.
My players will also run a lot quicker through your tail cairns onwards as my bowling attack is superior. Hold a bat a bit, wasim was easily good enough to be qualified as a bowling allrounder. He couldnt just hold a bat a bit and no flintoff hasnt had one such match as his average and hundreds show.
Even if you do that the drop in quality will still be great compared to my options which wont allow the batsman to settle.
And no am not using NZ as a benchmark but as a proof that he can play short balls as he has done so in the past to great success.
Regarding caddick thats my personal view. I would rather have flintoff as I feel he is more likely to get a wicket compared to caddick. I made that statement in my OP so its not like I am out of ideas so am resorting to it but a simple fact that i believe in. If flintoff hadnt gotten injured so much in the latter half of his career, he would have much better stats. Same with akhtar, at his peak he was an incredibly destructive bowler but had fitness and off the field issues which meant his stats arent as good as they can be. And you are comparing my fiftth choice bowler with your third and the difference isnt huge. Thats exactly why my team is more effective as a bowling unit.
I plan to use saqlain as a wicket taking option, he would come in if my fast bowlers dont have much success. If he is getting spin and turn then he will occupy one end while I rotate from the other. If the fast bowlers are getting wickets then I will hold him back.
Sorry but can you tell me what the vids show? For some stupid reason youtube is banned here so have no idea what the videos are about.
You want me to argue why dilshan wont last against my bowling attack? Seriously? Moving on from that, Salim and yousaf are suspectible against short pitch bowling, yousaf in particular early in his innings. I will get wasim and one of lee/akhtar bowling in tandem which should provide a quick breakthrough.
My players will also run a lot quicker through your tail cairns onwards as my bowling attack is superior.
Hold a bat a bit, wasim was easily good enough to be qualified as a bowling allrounder. He couldnt just hold a bat a bit and no flintoff hasnt had one such match as his average and hundreds show.Even if you do that the drop in quality will still be great compared to my options which wont allow the batsman to settle.
Noticed that, its just a draft on the internet. He is very worked up.My batting doesnt need to have any standouts if everyone contributes. Its a team game at the end of the day and I have the players to defend a lowish score.
and since I was bored, dilshan average against fast bowlers drops down to 31.7. Against right handed fast bowlers, it further drops to 29. Considering that most of the better bowlers today are right handed am sure most will agree that thats shocking. In the past decade, it will be fair to say that the three teams with the best bowling have been australia, south africa and pakistan. Dilshan's average against all three? 30,21 and 36. And regulator wants me to find him stats to show that he is a poor opener benefiting from today's conditions.
I must be honest. After seeing MJJ pick 5 bowlers in his first 5 picks, I thought his batting would be utter crap but he's managed to put together a decent unit. It lacks a reliable run scorer though. Any one of them can be a hit on his day but to expect enough of them to come good to put together a match-winning score against Lillee, Donald, Caddick and Cairns is perhaps a stretch. He really needed an anchor in the middle order for his hit or miss players to work around. A Chanderpaul say would've made a world of a difference in this match up.
I'll give it to Interval but not easily.
I'll give it to Interval but not easily.
No. He is generally a bit aggressive. I've told him to calm down earlier. But its just the way he speaks. No offense, MJJ.
See, that's fair. But (1) You're stuck only on Dilshan when we actually have a plethora of other talent and (2) we were just pointing out that you can't be defending your openers and flaying Dilshan with the same stick.and since I was bored, dilshan average against fast bowlers drops down to 31.7. Against right handed fast bowlers, it further drops to 29. Considering that most of the better bowlers today are right handed am sure most will agree that thats shocking. In the past decade, it will be fair to say that the three teams with the best bowling have been australia, south africa and pakistan. Dilshan's average against all three? 30,21 and 36. And regulator wants me to find him stats to show that he is a poor opener benefiting from today's conditions.
Again, you keep mentioning how Mohammad's NZ average shows he can play bouncy wickets. But his average in the three nations where the matches are actually being held is below 30. No mid 30s. BELOW 30
Well am not defending A.Sohail as I know he will struggle. Mohammad is a different story. It might be fair but pointless, anyone who has seen dilshan play will know he is going to struggle big time, dont know why you guys needed stats to prove it.
You also need to see the amount of matches mohammad played though, he played only five innings in australia, eight in india and five again against england. Those eight innings against India are spread across fouryears as well! If he was playing today where team were properly prepared and had a huge amount of cricket then his stats would be much better. For australia look at oceania, where he had an average of 43 as the number of matches played is greater so gives a better idea of his class. For india, look at asia again average in the forties.
Anyways, the match is over right now. Well played IL. Was a good match and fun debate.
Yeah. good debate, mate. Its better than having no discussion. You should put up Akram and Saqlain videos. They're always awesome to watch
Like this one (Can't embed in office)
Unfortunately my stupid government has decided to ban youtube, so cant post any videos or watch them
Unfortunately my stupid government has decided to ban youtube, so cant post any videos or watch them
Wtf?
I'll gladly post them in a while. The one that I posted above was the most amazing peice of fast bowling I've seen. Pitched short middle stump angled into the body.
Pitched slightly fuller same line angled into the body
Pitched same spot angled out, takes to the top of off stump. fecking brilliant stuff.
For curiosity's sake - how do people here rate Tony Greig?
I think his bowling is being heavily underrated. He is being treated as a part timer when in fact he has taken 141 wickets in 90 something innings with 10wickets twice and 5 wickets six times. He can on an average account for 3 wickets every match out of 20. Plus my mom used to consider him good (though that may possibly be because of his outspoken nature; we Indians tend to like aggression).
I think his bowling is being heavily underrated. He is being treated as a part timer when in fact he has taken 141 wickets in 90 something innings with 10wickets twice and 5 wickets six times. He can on an average account for 3 wickets every match out of 20. Plus my mom used to consider him good (though that may possibly be because of his outspoken nature; we Indians tend to like aggression).