Countries that should be better at football

I still think there's a general set of sporting genes.

For example Rio Ferdinand or Van Dijk, I bet if you trained them young enough, could've been very good at basketball or NFL or GAA or Aussie Rules or Athletics or many other sports.
They just happened to choose football cos of their upbringing and culture.

I think that's fair actually with the caveat that it doesn't apply to all. Some may be good at another sport if they'd dedicated all their time to it and some not.

There are certainly examples of people who are proficient at multiple sports. Just found a list on wikipedia actually. Our own Phil Neville was good at cricket.

Was reading something yesterday about high jumper called Donald Thomas. He played basketball at university and was encouraged to try high jump after he was bragging about being able to slam dunk. 2 months later he finished 4th in the commonwealth games high jump having never even tried it before. Sounds like he had pretty good general sporting genes although I'm guessing he was actually more suited to high jump in the end or else he'd have probably tried to make it to the NBA where he could earn more money and fame.

It's quite common for people to switch sports around university age or just before, especially in Olympic sports with low participation rates. Good but not great sprinters being recruited for bobsled teams to push them at the start, tall athletic people being targeted by rowing teams etc.

Edit: Just found this, it's mad in a way - you can apply to be part of the GB rowing team based off nothing but your height initially and they'll call you in to be tested and see if you have potential - https://www.britishrowing.org/gb-rowing-team/rowing-for-gb/talent-id/
 
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I think that's fair actually with the caveat that it doesn't apply to all. Some may be good at another sport if they'd dedicated all their time to it and some not.

There are certainly examples of people who are proficient at multiple sports. Just found a list on wikipedia actually. Our own Phil Neville was good at cricket.

Was reading something yesterday about high jumper called Donald Thomas. He played basketball at university and was encouraged to try high jump after he was bragging about being able to slam dunk. 2 months later he finished 4th in the commonwealth games high jump having never even tried it before. Sounds like he had pretty good general sporting genes although I'm guessing he was actually more suited to high jump in the end or else he'd have probably tried to make it to the NBA where he could earn more money and fame.

It's quite common for people to switch sports around university age or just before, especially in Olympic sports with low participation rates. Good but not great sprinters being recruited for bobsled teams to push them at the start, tall athletic people being targeted by rowing teams etc.

Donald Thomas was discussed in the book "The Sporting Gene".

Apparently being able to jump high is correlated with the length of your Achilles tendon.

The Carribbean islands definitely have a concentration of sporting genes, particularly in sprinting but lots of English footballers have genes from there. Barnes, Sterling, Greenwood, Andy Cole etc..The list is endless.
 
I think that's fair actually with the caveat that it doesn't apply to all. Some may be good at another sport if they'd dedicated all their time to it and some not.

There are certainly examples of people who are proficient at multiple sports. Just found a list on wikipedia actually. Our own Phil Neville was good at cricket.

Was reading something yesterday about high jumper called Donald Thomas. He played basketball at university and was encouraged to try high jump after he was bragging about being able to slam dunk. 2 months later he finished 4th in the commonwealth games high jump having never even tried it before. Sounds like he had pretty good general sporting genes although I'm guessing he was actually more suited to high jump in the end or else he'd have probably tried to make it to the NBA where he could earn more money and fame.

It's quite common for people to switch sports around university age or just before, especially in Olympic sports with low participation rates. Good but not great sprinters being recruited for bobsled teams to push them at the start, tall athletic people being targeted by rowing teams etc.

Edit: Just found this, it's mad in a way - you can apply to be part of the GB rowing team based off nothing but your height initially and they'll call you in to be tested and see if you have potential - https://www.britishrowing.org/gb-rowing-team/rowing-for-gb/talent-id/

Rowing isn't a good example as it's such a narrow set of skills.

There's a small rowing club in Cork, Ireland that produces world class rowers because the coaching and culture is elite.

I don't think there's a concentration of sporting genes there, but there is obviously natural ability.
Apparently Paul Donovan has a perfect physique for rowing.
 
Tim Vickery often says Colombia are the biggest underachievers in South America so could stretch that to World Football.

Of course in late 80s and 90s you had the cartel controlling everything but their quality of players was excellent in that period.

They have a population of over 50m so considerably more than Uruguay, Chile and Paraguay who were making World cups regularly in the 2000s.

Colombia infact since 1998 have incredibly only qualified for two World cups despite South America getting 4-5 places each time. Also only once won the Copa America in the tournament they hosted in 2001 when I think Argentina refused to play due to terrorist threats and Brazil sent a shadow squad.

I've always thought of them as similar to Portugal. They regularly produce top level CBs and competitive midfielders but their CF options aside from Falcao have been underwhelming so struggle to score enough goals in major tournaments to seriously challenge.
 
I'm sure it's been mentioned before here but I haven't read through the whole thread -- the United States. The US should be a perennial challenger to make the QF of the World Cup and give sides like England and Italy a solid go. It's not realistic to expect the US to reach the level France, Spain, Germany, Brazil and Argentina, but there's no structural reason why the US shouldn't be at the next level below. The infrastructure is there, the athletes are there and the top US soccer players are getting experience in Europe.
 
Culture plays an important role and will have differences in all countries.

I grew up in England, but have lived in Japan for most of my adult life. Culturally the differences are easy to spot:

Japan:
1. There aren’t a lot of free to use pitches, goals or walls for kids to practise on.
2. futsal pitches are available but you have to pay and if young you’ll need car transport.
3. Locally organized teams are around which use school facilities.
4. These are generally run by dads, the Japanese focus on technique and inter play is established here.
5. Lot of standing around while things are being organized, so independence and free play isn’t a thing.
6. The weather plays its role. The grass grows quickly, lot of bugs, the heat. It stops kids going out to play.

I think Japan have done a great job of developing over the last 30 years. If there was more focus on kids going out to practise by themselves in addition to the perfectionism they show towards technique they would become an established top 10 team.

Japan has progressed a lot in last 20 years. Go back to early 2000s and Nakata aside players were just getting signed for commercial reasons and rarely played. Now they're regulars in some top level teams e.g. Tomiasyu at Arsenal. Mitoma will probably play in CL eventually.

I think they'll play in a World cup SF in next 10 years. Perhaps might have to wait until it gets hosted in Asia but wouldn't put it past them to do that in America if the draw opens up for them in the knock outs.

Ultimately in the last World cup they defeated both Germany and Spain in the groups and then lost on penalties to Croatia so their standard was pretty much level with Morocco but just had a very hard last 16 tie.

China are pretty much where Japan were 25 years ago so shows how far they are behind at truly competing on the world stage.
 
Japan has progressed a lot in last 20 years. Go back to early 2000s and Nakata aside players were just getting signed for commercial reasons and rarely played. Now they're regulars in some top level teams e.g. Tomiasyu at Arsenal. Mitoma will probably play in CL eventually.

I think they'll play in a World cup SF in next 10 years. Perhaps might have to wait until it gets hosted in Asia but wouldn't put it past them to do that in America if the draw opens up for them in the knock outs.

Ultimately in the last World cup they defeated both Germany and Spain in the groups and then lost on penalties to Croatia so their standard was pretty much level with Morocco but just had a very hard last 16 tie.

China are pretty much where Japan were 25 years ago so shows how far they are behind at truly competing on the world stage.

Japan could have beaten Croatia in that match too, lost on penalties and if I remember had better chances in normal time. Croatia just had a bit more nous in seeing the game through in rough periods. Whether they would have beaten Brazil in the next round or not, I'm not sure. Croatia were a better fit for Brazil, their midfield was the strongest while being Brazil's weakest area, whereas Japan were stronger in wide areas. In the previous World Cup, they also could/should have beaten Belgium after a 2-0 lead.

European teams like Croatia and Belgium have a natural experience of playing against top teams in competitive games way more often with the Euros, Nations League and more players in the European Champions League. That's the gap in culture that can be difficult to overcome in games of small margins. Their teams though have shown high technical ability and have been well coached, it's just those intangibles to get to the next level.
 
Japan has progressed a lot in last 20 years. Go back to early 2000s and Nakata aside players were just getting signed for commercial reasons and rarely played. Now they're regulars in some top level teams e.g. Tomiasyu at Arsenal. Mitoma will probably play in CL eventually.

I think they'll play in a World cup SF in next 10 years. Perhaps might have to wait until it gets hosted in Asia but wouldn't put it past them to do that in America if the draw opens up for them in the knock outs.

Ultimately in the last World cup they defeated both Germany and Spain in the groups and then lost on penalties to Croatia so their standard was pretty much level with Morocco but just had a very hard last 16 tie.

China are pretty much where Japan were 25 years ago so shows how far they are behind at truly competing on the world stage.
Japan’s trajectory is upwards but they focus too much on team play and technique, they need to allow some unique talents to develop, players who go out and want to win, shoot, be aggressive. Honda was the closest player to this.

The current squad has more depth of talent compared to the previous generation, but not standout stars. It’s unpredictable what each generation will produce.
I hope the kids coming through now have more of an independent spirit and desire to compete internationally and not in the Japan bubble.

Japan have the resources and work ethic to be a top 10 team. But are probably still to inwards in there approach.
 
Just need to mention Mexico again.

I like MExico though and hope they will develop some better players soon
 
Reading some of the candidates named, I'll give long rant about it (sorry :))...

.Mexico: could have been better regarding finanacial infraestructure and passion for the game, yet they never had a proper tradition of developing constantly great players. Historically they had very very few really elite players to actually "pay their dues", meaning failing even having proper generations. Every major traditional football country "lost" sometimes an entire fantastic generation due to multiple reasons. So to actually kind of deserve having more succees in terms of trophies, I do not see it.
Of course any NT can have an out of the blue successful Cup, or isolated win, but there is no real basement for Mexico to have such a yellow press demanding so much like if it was Mexican Boxing, that makes everything way worse.
With the feet on the ground, they are not underachiving by any sense when comes to actually produce elite players and have a very long tradition regarding the game itself, even as passionate as they can be. The day this is understood, they'll become better, they have a very healthy offensive approach to the game, they like to treat the ball properly, they really love the game.

.Holland: they could have won more, they had excellent generations since the 70's, they had a proper Genius and many phenoms and lots of Elite players and they still find elusive the WC, sometimes shyte happens. Yet in real terms, it's silly to blame sthg on them, it's football, only one team wins a final, they just have to still produce enough talent every generation. And even if it's not on pair with their 70's or 90's pool, they will always have enough players to win anything if they assemble a TEAM in the very essence of what this word implies. They are in a place like once were France before 98, Argentina before 78 and Brasil before 58 (funny enough 98 for Holland (another 8), could have easily be that year)....having every ingredient, but a mix of bad luck, timing, just plain football loosing some vital game, extra sport issues kept these NAtions not winning before even having the proper assets, so Holland that actually some kind of started in the 70's, they still might have to wait. And this is anexample of why I think it's way over the top putting so much expectation on Mexico, or in a way lesser extente Colombia (that had some really great talent historically) or such.

.Portugal: Their history goes even further than Holland, they have proper huge clubs, tradition, know how and academies. People sometimes miss this. They had some of the best players I've ever seen in Eusebio, Coluna, Figo, Futre, CR, etc...yet, winning a WC it's almost always against some other traditional country, so shyte can happen because it's logical. There had two aspects that they could have been better, in the past more elite players produce, in more recent times , take more advantage of this that they are producing in regular basis. The worst thing about their NT it's a single match, that Final against Greece, they should have played better and win it with such squad and against a non traditional powerhouse. I think they are actually so many times underrated regarding their capability of priducing great players consistently, that for me, it's way more important than winning an Euro or WC, that stuff sometime will arrive (like it did with the Euros) when you constantly mantein in the upper echelon.

.England: It's a mix bag, there is some sort of Mexico syndrome there with an entire diff context.
They had/have EVERYTHING, they are the founders, but even having every little and big ingredient, for some reason when looking to other Traditional powerhouses in terms of producing talent, they never did it to a Pele extent (of course this is an anomaly, but to make the point clear), nor any sort of Johan, or brazilian phenom. They had Mathews, Charlton, Gazza, Rooney, etc beasts, excellent players and tons of elite ones, but sometimes that cocky view on other leagues, other nations players, of the "he needs to prove it in England" it's also a sign that it's a Nation that the Press and Media tend to put a bit over the top their own players in comparison with other traditional countries like they. All of these while missing most of the times a major ingredient: TO BUILD A TEAM (not always, the 66', 90' for instance where great fecking teams in the whole sense of this word). This is sthg that Spain learned the hard way in recent years and sthg that Germany even having tons of extraordinary players knows since ever, Italy the same, team first (with or without extraordinary names.

PD: Many Nations named here only because of population (China, India, etc) , or passion for the game, it just doesn't work that way.
Tradition involves: the know how, the enviroment (influences from other countries), variety of ethnic backgrounds, ACADEMIES and passing the torch from gen to gen while competing against the best you can find. And at the end, sthg as simply as copycat, Messi isn't born from a lettuce, it's the latest expresion of an style, a way of living and play the game that can be found since Orsi in the very first WC.
Nowadyas it's easier to find and somehow "copy" those examples, but it still matters, still helps to develope current players even in a social media era to have this sort of real football tradition.
 
Tim Vickery often says Colombia are the biggest underachievers in South America so could stretch that to World Football.

Of course in late 80s and 90s you had the cartel controlling everything but their quality of players was excellent in that period.

They have a population of over 50m so considerably more than Uruguay, Chile and Paraguay who were making World cups regularly in the 2000s.

Colombia infact since 1998 have incredibly only qualified for two World cups despite South America getting 4-5 places each time. Also only once won the Copa America in the tournament they hosted in 2001 when I think Argentina refused to play due to terrorist threats and Brazil sent a shadow squad.

I've always thought of them as similar to Portugal. They regularly produce top level CBs and competitive midfielders but their CF options aside from Falcao have been underwhelming so struggle to score enough goals in major tournaments to seriously challenge.

Isn't it the other way around? I can recall quite a few top level strkers such as Bacca, Falcao, Muriel, Jackson Martinez, Asprilla.

Can't really remember too many good CB's apart from Cordoba and Yerry Mina if he's counted as top level. Struggling to think of any full-backs they've produced.
 
Brazil. We have a much bigger population than any of the other nations with football pedigree and, due to our poverty, playing with a football is still the main hobby here. Furthermore, since we have neither science nor great art(we had until 50s, but it completely disappeared), all of our recent national heroes are football players; someone's club is almost an official document; it can literally prevent you from getting a job or make your relationship forbbiden by the girl's father. If you throw a football to a group of random Brazilian workers that are resting in the parking lot, they could certainly replicate something similar to those old Nike Joga Bonito commercials. Also, middle class life here is not as nice as in Europe(far from that), giving even more reasons to persue a career in football, as players, politicians and some businessmen are the only people with truly comfortable lives in Brazil. We should be much more dominant, or at least produce three Ronaldos and three Neymars per generation.

I know there are African or other Latin America countries with similar population size, economic situation and passion for the game, but, because our massive European immigration in the beginning of the last century, we had a much earlier development of the game here.
 
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Isn't it the other way around? I can recall quite a few top level strkers such as Bacca, Falcao, Muriel, Jackson Martinez, Asprilla.

Can't really remember too many good CB's apart from Cordoba and Yerry Mina if he's counted as top level. Struggling to think of any full-backs they've produced.

In the late 90s/early 2000s Colombia had at the same time Jorge Bermudez who was a dominant CB for Boca Junior when they were winning Libertadores and Club World cup, Cordoba as you mention at start of his great spell at Inter and also Mario Yepes who came to the fore at PSG later in his career and was still playing at 2014 World cup when he was in his late 30s. Luis Perea also came through a few years later and he had a good career at Atletico Madrid, 200 odd games but left them just as Simeone took over otherwise he'd have won stuff.

They missed 2002/2006 World cups because they had so many 0-0s and 1-1s in the qualifiers so scoring goals was an issue.

In 2010s I was thinking of Zuniga who had excellent spells for Udinese and Napoli and also sort of counting Cuadrado who was very versatile.

2010s they did have prolific strikers in Europe although Martinez totally flopped at Atletico Madrid and had 1 in 4 rate for Colombia, same for Muriel. Needed a couple of those to step up when Falcao did his ACL and took another year to recover.

When you see that talent though and Chile winning successive Copa's in that era it feels to be like they've underachieved in that competition given Uruguay won the 2011 edition with their golden generation.
 
Brazil. We have a much bigger population than any of the other nations with football pedigree and, due to our poverty, playing with a football is still the main hobby here. Furthermore, since we have neither science nor great art(we had until 50s, but it completely disappeared), all of our recent national heroes are football players; someone's club is almost an official document; it can literally prevent you from getting a job or make your relationship forbbiden by the girl's father. If you throw a football to a group of random Brazilian workers that are resting in the parking lot, they could certainly replicate something similar to those old Nike Joga Bonito commercials. Also, middle class life here is not as nice as in Europe(far from that), giving even more reasons to persue a career in football, as players, politicians and some businessmen are the only people with truly comfortable lives in Brazil.

We should be much more dominant, or at least produce three Ronaldos and three Neymars per generation. I know there are African or other Latin America countries with similar population size, economic situation and passion for the game, but, because our massive European immigration in the beginning of the last century, we had a much earlier development of the game here.

I don't really think that at a certain point a huge population translates in such a direct way to produce a lot more players even in a case like Brazil with almost everything great for such case, at some point it seems that it doesn't really affect as much as people tend to think.

I Also think that 3 R9s and such it's not really that plausible and that's more than probably the reason that it actually doesn't happen, we tend to not really grasp how special even in great football enviroments some players are.

Yet what I do think it's that Brazil could have won more, like some other countries, but even more.
Because the real diff between Brazil and other Powers, it's that even creating a silly tag of Geniuses (Pele) and phenoms (Kaka) it's the country that almost constantly could produce THOSE TWO cathegories at the same time almost every period of the game, plus their teams ALWAYS have many players that can be described as CRACKs (Careca), many times coexisting with the other two cathegories mentioned before, just to try to explain it in a colorful way.
At the same time after some tough wake up calls prior to 1950, Brazil after 58 did their stuff pretty much in great form from an organizational point of view and was just the lack of luck or merely another team being better on the day or not really creating a TEAM what didn't ended in another WC.
 
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Brazil. We have a much bigger population than any of the other nations with football pedigree and, due to our poverty, playing with a football is still the main hobby here. Furthermore, since we have neither science nor great art(we had until 50s, but it completely disappeared), all of our recent national heroes are football players; someone's club is almost an official document; it can literally prevent you from getting a job or make your relationship forbbiden by the girl's father. If you throw a football to a group of random Brazilian workers that are resting in the parking lot, they could certainly replicate something similar to those old Nike Joga Bonito commercials. Also, middle class life here is not as nice as in Europe(far from that), giving even more reasons to persue a career in football, as players, politicians and some businessmen are the only people with truly comfortable lives in Brazil.

We should be much more dominant, or at least produce three Ronaldos and three Neymars per generation. I know there are African or other Latin America countries with similar population size, economic situation and passion for the game, but, because our massive European immigration in the beginning of the last century, we had a much earlier development of the game here.

You could say that about a lot of countries though that things could be better, Brazil have still won the most World Cups and produce hundreds of top-level players, won Copa America in 2021. I think population hits a point of diminishing returns also at some point, like we expect Brazil (203m people) to produce better players than say Croatia (3.8m people), but most of the countries they are competing with have more than enough to produce their own geniuses Argentina (46m), Spain (48m), England (55m), France (68m).

You only put 11 players on the pitch at the end of the day, if it was a case of who has the best 20th strength team I'm sure Brazil would be near the top or top every time. Brazil also seems to have ridiculously high standards where objectively really good players other countries would dream of can be called nothing players if they're not as good as freak players like Pele, Ronaldo or Ronaldinho.

I think one of the biggest issues for Brazil isn't player development but more the coaching levels there which may have fallen behind their European equivalents. I wished we got to see Ancelotti manage Brazil. Some of the managers Brazil have had in recent years have not been good and played somewhat 'outdated' football. There is probably some arrogance there that they are the great Brazil and don't want to take on outside ideas in their national sport, when it could help them.
 
Most Arab countries don't have resources to develop youth to play football, the ignorance rich countries have about the world is astonishing.

Yes and no.

Turkey could be the European Brazil. I’ve played Saturday/Sunday league against Turkish teams in London. (And played for one). They’re football mad and technically great. That’s not some big indicator. But the fact I’ve been playing for good semi-pro Saturday sides and been humbled by a team full of second generation Turkish immigrants is an insight.

If they had the futsal culture of Croatia and just a few funnels for that talent, they’d challenge for Euros and World Cups. They’ve got loads of people and a real Football culture.
 
I agree with Turkey as a shout. Decent domestic league with big clubs like Besiktas, Fenerbahce and Galatasaray. Mad football culture. Big population.

They did reach third place at the 2002 WC.
 
Brazil. We have a much bigger population than any of the other nations with football pedigree and, due to our poverty, playing with a football is still the main hobby here. Furthermore, since we have neither science nor great art(we had until 50s, but it completely disappeared), all of our recent national heroes are football players; someone's club is almost an official document; it can literally prevent you from getting a job or make your relationship forbbiden by the girl's father. If you throw a football to a group of random Brazilian workers that are resting in the parking lot, they could certainly replicate something similar to those old Nike Joga Bonito commercials. Also, middle class life here is not as nice as in Europe(far from that), giving even more reasons to persue a career in football, as players, politicians and some businessmen are the only people with truly comfortable lives in Brazil.

We should be much more dominant, or at least produce three Ronaldos and three Neymars per generation. I know there are African or other Latin America countries with similar population size, economic situation and passion for the game, but, because our massive European immigration in the beginning of the last century, we had a much earlier development of the game here.

Yeah but Capitalism has stepped in and you’ve started to produce European player farms. Lots of dirt-poor kids are being left behind as recruitment drives are funneling ‘good enough’ players that the European market will Hoover up (as they’re better) for money. Mainly into fee-paying academies with agents attached at young agents. The whole system is fecked.

There was a real purity to Brazilian youth football until the last 10-15 years. Brutal as feck and I’m sure players were lost. But it was a true meritocracy. Now, it’s monetised earlier. Families that have money have better outcomes. Not rich people buying a pathway. But there’s a weird class system there. My mates son is a coach out there. It’s all a monetised system. Dirt poor kids will always find a way, but they’re pushing shit uphill compared to the 90’s.
 
I think one of the biggest issues for Brazil isn't player development but more the coaching levels there which may have fallen behind their European equivalents. I wished we got to see Ancelotti manage Brazil. Some of the managers Brazil have had in recent years have not been good and played somewhat 'outdated' football. There is probably some arrogance there that they are the great Brazil and don't want to take on outside ideas in their national sport, when it could help them.
That would be more impactful if our players remained here mostly of their careers, like in the past. Our best talents are going to Europe really young right now.

I don't think you need a great coach in your national team to win. The European ones don't look much better, to be honest; Germany and Spain were the only teams that played truly great collective football in the last decades, and they relied a lot on having their structure playing together at club level; France was much more a bunch of world class players than a great team.

Look at our squads from 2010 onwards. By individual talent, we weren't even in top 5 in any of those World Cups. We had the likes of Felipe Melo, Elano, Michel Bastos, Luís Fabiano, Paulinho, Oscar, Hulk, Fred, Renato Augusto, Arana, Richarlison etc as starters.
 
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Yes and no.

Turkey could be the European Brazil. I’ve played Saturday/Sunday league against Turkish teams in London. (And played for one). They’re football mad and technically great. That’s not some big indicator. But the fact I’ve been playing for good semi-pro Saturday sides and been humbled by a team full of second generation Turkish immigrants is an insight.

If they had the futsal culture of Croatia and just a few funnels for that talent, they’d challenge for Euros and World Cups. They’ve got loads of people and a real Football culture.
Turkey isn't an Arabic country......
 
Surely England? Just one WC to their name (won at home), zero wins at European championships. Some underperformance that
 
Japan could have beaten Croatia in that match too, lost on penalties and if I remember had better chances in normal time. Croatia just had a bit more nous in seeing the game through in rough periods. Whether they would have beaten Brazil in the next round or not, I'm not sure. Croatia were a better fit for Brazil, their midfield was the strongest while being Brazil's weakest area, whereas Japan were stronger in wide areas. In the previous World Cup, they also could/should have beaten Belgium after a 2-0 lead.

European teams like Croatia and Belgium have a natural experience of playing against top teams in competitive games way more often with the Euros, Nations League and more players in the European Champions League. That's the gap in culture that can be difficult to overcome in games of small margins. Their teams though have shown high technical ability and have been well coached, it's just those intangibles to get to the next level.

A guest team like Japan in this Euros would be interesting. They'd certainly love a knock out run in next World cup that has Slovakia last 16 (or whatever the first knock out round is) then Swiss and Holland in SF.

Japan 2-1 Spain (1 Dec, 2022) Final Score - ESPN (UK)

It's incredible looking at this as arguably the Spain team they beat 18 months ago was stronger than what they put out tonight.

A midfield of Pedri + Gavi together although in hindsight they should've ditched Busquets and had Rodri there instead of CB. Also had no recollection that Nico Williams even played at the last World cup, probably needed another 18 months of club football to fully make an impact.
 
Surely England? Just one WC to their name (won at home), zero wins at European championships. Some underperformance that
They've been Spurs of national teams since 1966. I'd be glad if England won it before the tournament, then they played poor for most of these Euros like you'd expect from Southgate.
 
Brazil. We have a much bigger population than any of the other nations with football pedigree and, due to our poverty, playing with a football is still the main hobby here. Furthermore, since we have neither science nor great art(we had until 50s, but it completely disappeared), all of our recent national heroes are football players; someone's club is almost an official document; it can literally prevent you from getting a job or make your relationship forbbiden by the girl's father. If you throw a football to a group of random Brazilian workers that are resting in the parking lot, they could certainly replicate something similar to those old Nike Joga Bonito commercials. Also, middle class life here is not as nice as in Europe(far from that), giving even more reasons to persue a career in football, as players, politicians and some businessmen are the only people with truly comfortable lives in Brazil. We should be much more dominant, or at least produce three Ronaldos and three Neymars per generation.

I know there are African or other Latin America countries with similar population size, economic situation and passion for the game, but, because our massive European immigration in the beginning of the last century, we had a much earlier development of the game here.

Worst humblebrag ever.
 
Surely England? Just one WC to their name (won at home), zero wins at European championships. Some underperformance that

Arguably somewhat, yes.

There are several factors to consider here, however.

English football on the club level has always - from the very beginning of the professional era - been heavily influenced by non-English players and managers.

This is very evident in the modern PL era, but it has - in fact - always been so: the greatest English club sides were always packed with non-English players (before the PL era most of these were Scottish, Welsh, Northern-Irish and Irish of course - but the point still very much stands).

England (unlike Spain - which isn't that far fetched as a point of comparison) isn't a nation-state.

If the UK had been able to send a national team to international tournaments, going back to the 1930s, it's far from inconceivable that this team would have enjoyed success on the same level English club teams have historically: in other words, they would have dominated to an extent comparable to the other big football nations in Europe (Italy, Spain, Germany).

Before anyone gets their knickers in a twist - NO! I'm not suggesting that a joint "UK" national team is a good idea, or ever was! I'm just saying that the particular nature of British football has to be considered when you look at the English national team in a historical context.

ETA The point (or a point, at least) is - of course - that Scottish, Welsh and Northern-Irish players have from the very beginning belonged to the same football culture as English players (I don't think that is an unreasonable statement).

ETA 2 To further clarify this point: there is no specific English football culture, it's actually a British/Irish football culture. And this football culture - which has produced numerous great players, managers and teams (mainly club teams) over the years - has never been represented by one national team (but rather by five different national teams).
 
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