Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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the obvious flaw in your argument is that the DL calculation is pre-determined before a game starts - they don’t introduce a system to predict the outcome midway through the game.
It's not cricket.
if this thing goes as far as july it could go even further and affect the new season. There will have to be a contingency plan to accommodate an interrupted season for even next season. The football calendar could be getting shifted one way or another
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So when it's a question of what should happen about the champions league spots incase of voiding the league, everyone says 'let UEFA decide' (essentially because there is no solution to that if you want to completely void the league) but when it comes to the league everyone thinks there should only be one solution
No, I'm saying the champions league and Europa cups is a Uefa issue and the League is a PL issue.
In both cases we are saying the league (and the European competition) is void. The workaround is up to the relevant bodies to decide. Either a ranking approach or a play off or whatever
Would Liverpool win the Premier League if continued? Yes, most certainly. Suggesting anything else is reaching, albeit it is mathematically possible.
Will Liverpool win the Premier League if not continued? No, it’s impossible.
The Premier League uses the fairest way to determine a champion in sports, one that is used throughout European club football
Each of the 20 teams plays the other 19 teams twice — once at home and once away — for a total of 38 matches. Three points are awarded for a win and one point for a draw. The team with the most points at the end of the season is declared champion.
Tiebreakers, if necessary, are goal differential and goals scored. If the teams are still tied after the tiebreakers, the clubs have a playoff at a neutral site only if the position of the clubs is required to determine the championship, relegation or qualification for European competition.
Hope this helps.
Will Liverpool win the Premier League if not continued? No, it’s impossible.
The Premier League uses the fairest way to determine a champion in sports, one that is used throughout European club football
Each of the 20 teams plays the other 19 teams twice — once at home and once away — for a total of 38 matches. Three points are awarded for a win and one point for a draw. The team with the most points at the end of the season is declared champion.
Tiebreakers, if necessary, are goal differential and goals scored. If the teams are still tied after the tiebreakers, the clubs have a playoff at a neutral site only if the position of the clubs is required to determine the championship, relegation or qualification for European competition.
Hope this helps.
This.
"It's not fair that 75% of the season didn't mean anything in the end"...
It's a global pandemic FFS. There are bound to be certain sacrifices made, and something as "trivial" as sport will be first on the list of things to sacrifice for public health and resolution of normality. Pandemics are unfair, but I'll save my tears for those people who die, lose loved ones and their livelihoods, not for forgone trophies.
What do the league rules say about such scenarios? That's what has to be followed.
Whether the season is cancelled or in the unlikely situation that the current positions stand it will be unfair on one set of teams or another.
But it is a league campaign the whole premise of a league competition is that every team plays every other team home and away. All the teams go into the season aware of the rules. If in the very rare scenarios like the current crisis where its potentially not possible for the competition to be completed, then while not completely fair on every team the fairest and least complicated overall solution is to void the season. And it's irrelevant whether 9 games have been played or 29 games, if the season can't be completed then it must be voided. And i say that as a United fan who's team would probably benefit from the current standings being made the final ones.
Having said that as funny as it would be to see the scousers denied the title i hope the current crisis eases quickly and this virus is no longer a threat to peoples lives. I also hope if we get over this relatively quickly that the season can be completed at some point before the new one starts.
If the season is rendered null and void then it in effect never happened. So whenever football can resume as normal you revert to the last completed season to decide European spots etc. which in this case would be the 18/19 season.
I don't think anyone expected this , like forever. That's why its an unprecedented scenario, its not just the PL, I think no other league has a plan for such scenario and people have no clue how to deal with this or what will happen.
I am pretty sure, after this, there will be a clause in the league and also in players contracts in the case of a league suspension/cancellation.
I can see only two options, somehow finish the league or cancel it all together. The inbetween half cooked options would be unfair for one team or another.
So who came to United in 1986 and sorted this out?
Ok fine, it's fake news. Happy then ?
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...tion-gasping-air-hong-kong-doctors-2020-3?amp
And again, please stop quoting me on this.
Only see this (the article) now.
Fake news is bad, but indeed some people are new to this whole Wuhan virus if one doesn’t raise an eyebrow about who said all the beautiful words in that article.
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. The very same guy who refused to declare global pandemic until SHTF in Europe. Much of the damage could have been prevented. What he said in that article is to cover for his ass about not declaring global pandemic much earlier. Same guy criticized country to stop flights from China, now shifting the blame about the world “lack of urgency“!
https://www.change.org/p/united-nat...dros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-who-director-general
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I think they can finish the season under restrictions. There are some tests for COVID that only take 4 hours to get the results. It would take some logistics, but it seems to me that the league should test the players the morning of the game. If they test positive-- then they can't play. If they test negative, they are gtg. If they develop a fever b/w the morning of the game and game time-- then they are out even if they tested negative.
If they have to go closed door, so be it. If they want to allow teams to allow 20% (or whatever # you felt safe with,) of their capacity in to watch, provided they all spread out in the stadium, I'd be ok with that.
I'm just bored out of my mind, and I'd like the season to resume. Unless they want to void the season so Liverpool aren't the Champions- then I'm ok with that too.
If they have to go closed door, so be it. If they want to allow teams to allow 20% (or whatever # you felt safe with,) of their capacity in to watch, provided they all spread out in the stadium, I'd be ok with that.
I'm just bored out of my mind, and I'd like the season to resume. Unless they want to void the season so Liverpool aren't the Champions- then I'm ok with that too.
What you are forgetting is if one player has it, then chances are that the whole team gets it. The logistics is then going to be difficult to manage if you are checking things in the day of the match. It's not just the supporters or players. You have to set up for telecast and a whole host of other things need to be taken care of. All that to be done in the last minute is crazy. Even crazier if they have to get it cancelled each time the virus pops up in someone participating.
Nevermind the logistics nightmare, the chance that the league would even contemplate putting people at risk at a time like this is next to zero.
This is too fecking good
1986, Wuhan becomes Sister City to Manchester. 1986, Manchester United appoint Sir Alex Ferguson... makes history on his way to upserting Liverpool as the most decorated club in football history...
2020, United in rebuilding phase, Liverpool waltzing to premier league title...
Wuhan becomes an epicenter of a global pandemic... halts premier league before it can be finished, potentially preventing Liverpool from winning their first league title in 30 years...
If the league is suspend for next 2-3 months, the league, and all the remaining competitions this season, has to be abandoned.
However, if the league is suspend for another 7-8 months, maybe we can bring forward this season result to midway through next season.
However, if the league is suspend for another 7-8 months, maybe we can bring forward this season result to midway through next season.
so forget 20/21 and just finish this season next season you mean? won't that destroy tonnes of smaller clubs?
Just play it all behind closed doors until the season finishes. Postponing it for long periods would result in a very late finish which would mess up next season's schedule too.
This was last week thinking.
Out the window now loads of players and coaches have started getting it. With the problem only bound to increase.
I agree, it's by the 1st June? the close season where no games are to be played is 1st-30th June
Take a look at Oliver Holt’s Twitter. What an absolute arrogant douchebag
I mean if the league for next season is also affected for months, maybe we can combine 2 season into 1.
Football behind closed doors is crap and defeats the whole point of football being for the fans.
As a one off maybe it’s ok, to play a quarter of a season, business end at that, behind closed doors is awful
As a one off maybe it’s ok, to play a quarter of a season, business end at that, behind closed doors is awful
Btw I've read people here mentioning the Finnish hockey league being void with no winners, that's because they have playoffs to determine the champion and its not based on league standings. So it has absolutely no relation to how football standings work.
Agreed. They need to assess the situation, probably at the start of May. If the situation looks better and they can play, maybe ban over 65+'s.
If they can't, they really have no choice but to void the season. The idea anyone can be crowned Champions is ridiculous because the second you do that, you have to keep every other position in the league the same and it becomes a total farce.
I'm a United fan, we're in a shit position if they do that, in many ways a much worse position than Liverpool as we have a second season with no Champions League football, personally I hope like hell we can finish the season in the Summer.
Exactly. The idea that the season should be null and void and just restart is just utter nonsense and without logic. Do people think the virus will just go away in 5 months time and that's it? Who's to say that next season isn't suspended because of another outbreak? Do we just cancel next season too? Voiding the season will just be a dangerous precedence set. The most sensible thing to do is complete the season when it's suitable to do so. It's much easier to abandon a season that hasn't already started 2020/2021 than the current. I guess there will be more clarity at the end of next week.
With the nature of viruses generally, voiding the league would be a stupid option. What happens if we get past this outbreak and then (as I would think is reasonably likely knowing how other coronaviruses work), a mutated Co-Vid 20 strain comes along next year like regular flu does? Do we then have two voided seasons back to back?
How we stop that is up to Medicine, not the place for me to speculate about it on a football forum. But until a solution is there, is there even a point in turning up if 75% of a season can just be written off?
How we stop that is up to Medicine, not the place for me to speculate about it on a football forum. But until a solution is there, is there even a point in turning up if 75% of a season can just be written off?
this is unprecedented, and so there are no contingency plans in place.
Yes the season needs to be void of the games cannot be completed in a timely manner.
Dont let being a selfish Liverpool fan cloud your judgement.
For subsequent seasons, there be an agreement over how to react if something similar happens in the future, and appropriate changes will be made, there will be clarity, and there will be fairness.
frankly clubs like Utd on the cusp of the CL this year, or clubs in and around the relegation zone, or those in the championship in the playoffs have far more to lose than Liverpool.
There has to be a finite date of when the season can finish by, and that’s when players contracts run out. If you carry on the season into July and August - do Utd carry on without Matic, Ighalo who are out of contract? Aggravate that to every club in Europe then you have a mammoth problem.
again, if you look outside of one club, you will see that clubs in league 1 and league 2 don’t sign players up on long term contracts, and many clubs will likely have 10 squad players out of contract on June 30th. It’s unrealistic to continue after that date, and if that’s the case, then the season needs to be null and void.
So Celtic Manager Neil Lennon has come out saying that he expects that Celtic be given the Scottish PL if football doesn't continue.
I'm sure that Slippy Gerrard will agree to this!!
I'm sure that Slippy Gerrard will agree to this!!
This IS precedented!
When the War started football was stopped and the leagues were declared null and void.
disagree. They may have the same effect (on football) but they are completely different scenarios.
Liverpool this, Liverpool that. The death toll is rising everyday. Football isn’t that important
I know a couple of self employed people who work in the entertainment industry who are already going to be struggling to pay their rent next month due to cancellations.
This virus is going to have an impact on so many levels, but of course the priority is making sure Liverpool get their name listed in the record books!
We need to shut everything down, wait for this thing to get sorted and then start from the beginning when all is clear, it’s as simple as that and the Liverpool fans can cry all they want.
Disagree.
Why? Because one is war and one is a virus?!
Basically it's the same thing: Leagues had to be stopped and Leagues declared as Null and Void.
We can all understand this.
If you read my posts, I believe that the season should be voided. But that the effect, not the cause. Let’s not conflate world wars with the current situation.
I'm struggling to see a null and void league the more I think about it.
From next season's perspective it's likely to be just as bad or probably worse during the winter months. Is next season going to go through major postponement? I dont see it.
When you consider the UK government seems to want to encourage herd immunity, I think summer months will be the time when public gatherings are most likely.
Not only will the authorities feel pressure to settle liverpool as champions I also think they're eager to sort out CL places and relegation. IF they could, they would.
I'd put money on the euros being cancelled and the PL finishing in the summer.
From next season's perspective it's likely to be just as bad or probably worse during the winter months. Is next season going to go through major postponement? I dont see it.
When you consider the UK government seems to want to encourage herd immunity, I think summer months will be the time when public gatherings are most likely.
Not only will the authorities feel pressure to settle liverpool as champions I also think they're eager to sort out CL places and relegation. IF they could, they would.
I'd put money on the euros being cancelled and the PL finishing in the summer.
I respect your opinion but beg to disagree.