Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

Leroy The Red said:
Agreed, all this bullshit and excuses about how it was always gonna happen, inevitable etc. Nah, the general gathering whilst not the best idea can sort of be looked over but the other stuff. High profile ex players turning up, fans trashing the city, setting buildings on fire, attacking emergency services, turning up at opposition fans grounds etc. That’s disgraceful and should no way be looked at as “it was always gonna happen, first title In thirty years“.

When City won the league for the first time in fifty four year none of this shit went on. When Leicester won the league for the first time in their history none of this went on.
When Chelsea won the league for the first time, none of this shit went on. Certain people in this thread are trying to put the blame for this down to the PL and the powers that be for restarting but if you do that you are absorbing responsibility from a section of disgracefully behaving Liverpool fans and that is so wrong.
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It is no excuse. Everyone knew it would happen. Everyone. Except som people. If people really thought Liverpool fans would be sitting at home and clapping hands they don't understand human nature.

Yes, the blame should also go to all those who were for football to be played no matter what. Just for the sake of money. The league shoud have been stopped. Liverpool given title and this kind of celebration wouldn't accure.
 
TheReligion said:
I think you've been on the whole fair in what you've said but I do feel there's too many examples of Liverpool "supporters" behaving like animals in recent times to say "oh it happens all over". I know you're not trying to excuse it but it seems all too often the club is being disgraced by its fans at home and abroad. It wasn't that long ago they were bullying then dunking a local in a fountain overseas then in Athens we had them attacking people to steal their tickets and rushing the gates.

As pointed out Blackburn, City, Leicester and Chelsea didn't behave like this when they won their league titles so don't see any reason to let the fan base off the hook to be honest. Some have even driven up to Goodison Park and disrespected their memorial wall and the statue of Dixie Dean. Can you imagine if that happened at the Shankly Gates and Hillsborough memorial?

I think Liverpool are far from endearing themselves to anyone at the moment. The club should have had the players, manager and ex-pros set a far better example than they did. Holding a party and broadcasting it was utterly stupid and gave the greenlight to the mindless idiots to congregate and do the same. The clubs PR of late is absolutely awful.
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Don't think there was anything wrong with the "party" amongst the players - I'm not clued up about the current rules in the UK but they were in each other's bubble anyway? In hindsight they should've done more beforehand to raise awareness and to prevent this stuff from happening rather than reacting to it (like Klopp has done, I believe - haven't been following it that closely since I've had some busy days during and after the weekend right now).

About your first paragraph, it does indeed seem like there's a rather vocal and active part of our fans who put the worldwide fan base as a whole in a bad spotlight. There are no excuses for the things you mentioned, just none. Some clubs have a bad reputation and act like it (Feyenoord, Rangers, Milwall come to mind off the top of my head) and I really don't want Liverpool fans to be mentioned in the same breath as those but their latest actions haven't been beneficiary to that. On our total fan base of probably tens of millions of people, it's still a very very very little minority probably, but it seems to be the match-going fans and people living in and around Liverpool doing most of the damage, so yeah, there's that... Still don't believe it has anything to do with inherently being scouse though, although I can see why people would argue the opposite.
 
RobinLFC said:
Don't think there was anything wrong with the "party" amongst the players - I'm not clued up about the current rules in the UK but they were in each other's bubble anyway? In hindsight they should've done more beforehand to raise awareness and to prevent this stuff from happening rather than reacting to it (like Klopp has done, I believe - haven't been following it that closely since I've had some busy days during and after the weekend right now).

About your first paragraph, it does indeed seem like there's a rather vocal and active part of our fans who put the worldwide fan base as a whole in a bad spotlight. There are no excuses for the things you mentioned, just none. Some clubs have a bad reputation and act like it (Feyenoord, Rangers, Milwall come to mind off the top of my head) and I really don't want Liverpool fans to be mentioned in the same breath as those but their latest actions haven't been beneficiary to that. On our total fan base of probably tens of millions of people, it's still a very very very little minority probably, but it seems to be the match-going fans and people living in and around Liverpool doing most of the damage, so yeah, there's that... Still don't believe it has anything to do with inherently being scouse though, although I can see why people would argue the opposite.
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Again all pretty fair. RE the players though you can't have multiple bubbles so it wasn't correct for them to do. In addition I feel they have to be seen to be being better than that too given the standard they should be held toward. Just seemed pretty careless to me and unnecessary. Have a zoom party like everyone has been having to endure.
 
90 + 5min said:
It is no excuse. Everyone knew it would happen. Everyone. Except som people. If people really thought Liverpool fans would be sitting at home and clapping hands they don't understand human nature.

Yes, the blame should also go to all those who were for football to be played no matter what. Just for the sake of money. The league shoud have been stopped. Liverpool given title and this kind of celebration wouldn't accure.
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Blah blah blah, do you not get tired of this schtick?
 
Leroy The Red said:
Blah blah blah, do you not get tired of this schtick?
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Not when I am correct. Ignoring facts and history and not learning anything by that, is not a way to go forward. Ignoring science and ignoring everything that is right is not going forward. People, that nobody listens to, warned of problems with going forward with football.
 
The league has done a great job finishing this season. They deserve a lot of credit.
 
Iosif said:
The league has done a great job finishing this season. They deserve a lot of credit.
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Yeah it has gone smoothly and a tremendous job has been done by the clubs etc. If it was left to some members of the Caf half of Utd’s squad would have been out of contract before they wanted the league to resume.
 
Port Vale Devil said:
Yeah it has gone smoothly and a tremendous job has been done by the clubs etc. If it was left to some members of the Caf half of Utd’s squad would have been out of contract before they wanted the league to resume.
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If it was up to the caf, football in all shapes and forms would not return until 2025.

Lots of people in this thread were acting like it was the end of the world :lol:
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Should've been voided in hindsight.
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Why? The league resumed and there wasn't any problems. Also if it was voided there wouldn't be even top four on offer for Manchester United. Always thought if the government gave it the ok, football should resume.
 
Slysi17 said:
Why? The league resumed and there wasn't any problems. Also if it was voided there wouldn't be even top four on offer for Manchester United. Always thought if the government gave it the ok, football should resume.
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I'm implying it should've been voided so Liverpool wouldn't have won the league. Wasn't entirely serious.
 
I was fully against it. Didnt think it was required. Thought it’d be terrible behind closed doors.

I was wrong. They’ve done a fantastic job and I’m gutted that it’s all over tomorrow
 
sewey89 said:
I was fully against it. Didnt think it was required. Thought it’d be terrible behind closed doors.

I was wrong. They’ve done a fantastic job and I’m gutted that it’s all over tomorrow
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Well, the Europa League is there from August. Something to look forward to for us.
 
lets be honest all anyone cared about was the scousers getting the title or not

it was fun while it lasted... sort of
 
sewey89 said:
I was fully against it. Didnt think it was required. Thought it’d be terrible behind closed doors.

I was wrong. They’ve done a fantastic job and I’m gutted that it’s all over tomorrow
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Games without fans are terrible, slightly more enjoyable with fake noise. When you can hear the coaches makes it sound like a training session.

PL was able to resume because government dropped initial demand for neutral venues. If epicenter of next wave is Liverpool, how will it be viewed in hindsight?

I have enjoyed the Chelsea games, gave something to do at least. Still think this is the worst PL season in history by miles, just don't get me started on VAR or the referees!
 
Was all for getting the league finished once it was relatively safe. Was really needs must so BCD had to do

Interesting looking back at some of the quotes in May/June of course when the general situation in the World was much bleaker. One of the justified concerns was what if a player had a serious injury and had to be taken to Hospital. Since restart there's been serious incidents like Eric Bailly the other day and was also a Bournemouth player injured a few weeks back yet little was made of it which I guess shows reduction in hospital admissions throughout country.

Anyway I can get on board with a short six week period to get season finished. Let's be honest though likelihood of full season without capacity crowds seems pretty bleak to me. I know they're talking about October for some crowds to get back but it's going to be a third or half full for a long old time given winter will be hitting a month later. That could also cause further disruption to fixture lists as players could well start getting ill again, wonder what happens if one just gets the flu.
 
It was alright. Something fun to do after so long shut indoors, but let's not pretend the games haven't been rubbish for the most part.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
I'm implying it should've been voided so Liverpool wouldn't have won the league. Wasn't entirely serious.
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That's fair enough. I can't stand Liverpool winning the league but it's better we worry about ourselves. Manchester United not getting champions league football would of delayed the chance of challenging for titles. Way more important than stopping Liverpool winning the league.
 
Liverpool fans giving it the big one on twitter about man city's exemption to this 14 day quarantine rule when coming back from madrid in the CL.

Saying they shouldn't be exempt and the likes.

Jesus you couldn't write it.

Offended by everything ashamed of nothing.
 
The way the fans are posting pictures of the players posing with the champions league and prem As if they’ve won it all in the same season is both hilarious and annoying. They’ve only still got the champions league trophy because of coronavirus ffs
 
Port Vale Devil said:
Yeah it has gone smoothly and a tremendous job has been done by the clubs etc. If it was left to some members of the Caf half of Utd’s squad would have been out of contract before they wanted the league to resume.
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Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
If it was up to the caf, football in all shapes and forms would not return until 2025.

Lots of people in this thread were acting like it was the end of the world :lol:
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Almost 50000 deaths in just UK. I think we should show little more respect to the situation.

Changing pretty much every rule there is to change so football could be played is not all that smoothly. It just shows that there are lots of red lines crossed without people reacting. Just for fear of losing money. Everything you do can been done "smoothly" if you change rules.

Still, the league should have been stopped.
 
90 + 5min said:
Almost 50000 deaths in just UK. I think we should show little more respect to the situation.

Changing pretty much every rule there is to change so football could be played is not all that smoothly. It just shows that there are lots of red lines crossed without people reacting. Just for fear of losing money. Everything you do can been done "smoothly" if you change rules.

Still, the league should have been stopped.
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I actually think they have managed it very well. I thought it should have been cancelled and some sort of finish decided, but they way they have managed it, i think its been a success.
 
It's been okay but I think the final few matchdays have shown how hard it is for a professional footballer to compete in games every few days. There is going to need to be a serious discussion about scheduling next year and how to do it fairly. I think they will absolutely need to either abolish a competition or cut fixtures in them somehow as there are clear fitness issues and injury concerns with a bunch of players across a number of teams.

I think most in this thread were in favour of the season being completed too if the correct protocols were in place and it was running in coordination with the safety of the overall nation. Since England has opened up it's understandable that football is too. I personally still feel it was an unecessary risk but they have done well with how they chose to manage it despite some variables being unfair due to the circumstance.
 
SilentWitness said:
It's been okay but I think the final few matchdays have shown how hard it is for a professional footballer to compete in games every few days. There is going to need to be a serious discussion about scheduling next year and how to do it fairly. I think they will absolutely need to either abolish a competition or cut fixtures in them somehow as there are clear fitness issues and injury concerns with a bunch of players across a number of teams.

I think most in this thread were in favour of the season being completed too if the correct protocols were in place and it was running in coordination with the safety of the overall nation. Since England has opened up it's understandable that football is too. I personally still feel it was an unecessary risk but they have done well with how they chose to manage it despite some variables being unfair due to the circumstance.
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Its been a massive success. Pretty much every concern raised by a majority in this thread didn’t come to fruition. I disagree that most in this thread were in favour of a return if the right protocols were in place. Most were very dismissive and those who suggested a restart could be completed successfully were shamed and criticised endlessly. @Dancfc will attest to this.

- There were no spikes in infections.
- there were no deaths or serious illness to any footballer or any of their family members.
- the only mass gatherings outside grounds were done by the only set of fans you could count on to be cnuts all the time.
- pubs were not rammed with football fans
- the PL did not take resources from the nhs
- PL matches taking place didn’t put the nhs on its knees
- there wasn’t a mass amount of injuries to players
- fans watched games from their homes and people didn’t turn away from live football
- as expected the rest of the country opened up and football was not given special treatment.

So yeah , credit to the PL and clubs for a job well done. Amongst such fierce criticism they just gone on with things.
I’m curious to have @90 + 5min take on this?
 
Leroy The Red said:
Its been a massive success. Pretty much every concern raised by a majority in this thread didn’t come to fruition. I disagree that most in this thread were in favour of a return if the right protocols were in place. Most were very dismissive and those who suggested a restart could be completed successfully were shamed and criticised endlessly. @Dancfc will attest to this.

- There were no spikes in infections.
- there were no deaths or serious illness to any footballer or any of their family members.
- the only mass gatherings outside grounds were done by the only set of fans you could count on to be cnuts all the time.
- pubs were not rammed with football fans
- the PL did not take resources from the nhs
- PL matches taking place didn’t put the nhs on its knees
- there wasn’t a mass amount of injuries to players
- fans watched games from their homes and people didn’t turn away from live football
- as expected the rest of the country opened up and football was not given special treatment.

So yeah , credit to the PL and clubs for a job well done. Amongst such fierce criticism they just gone on with things.
I’m curious to have @90 + 5min take on this?
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The funniest thing is it was fairly obvious that would be the case aswell, they wouldn't have gone through with it if it wasn't as safe as possible to be (100% safe can never be guarenteed). With the measures being taken they're probably statically safer on the pitch right now than they have been for some time if ever. The sheer lengths some people were going to to argue against the restart (even after The Bundi proved it was viable and safe) was genuinely hilarious, from it's only happening to get Liverpool their trophy to bringing up Britain's Got Talent :lol:
 
Dancfc said:
The funniest thing is it was fairly obvious that would be the case aswell, they wouldn't have gone through with it if it wasn't as safe as possible to be (100% safe can never be guarenteed). With the measures being taken they're probably statically safer on the pitch right now than they have been for some time if ever. The sheer lengths some people were going to to argue against the restart (even after The Bundi proved it was viable and safe) was genuinely hilarious, from it's only happening to get Liverpool their trophy to bringing up Britain's Got Talent :lol:
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:lol:
 
Leroy The Red said:
Its been a massive success. Pretty much every concern raised by a majority in this thread didn’t come to fruition. I disagree that most in this thread were in favour of a return if the right protocols were in place. Most were very dismissive and those who suggested a restart could be completed successfully were shamed and criticised endlessly. @Dancfc will attest to this.

- There were no spikes in infections.
- there were no deaths or serious illness to any footballer or any of their family members.
- the only mass gatherings outside grounds were done by the only set of fans you could count on to be cnuts all the time.
- pubs were not rammed with football fans
- the PL did not take resources from the nhs
- PL matches taking place didn’t put the nhs on its knees
- there wasn’t a mass amount of injuries to players
- fans watched games from their homes and people didn’t turn away from live football
- as expected the rest of the country opened up and football was not given special treatment.

So yeah , credit to the PL and clubs for a job well done. Amongst such fierce criticism they just gone on with things.
I’m curious to have @90 + 5min take on this?
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I'm not taking anything from TheFA. They did what they thought was a good idea. And got the league finnished. Credit to them for doing that. But let us not kid ourselfs. Biggest part of this was done because of money. If there was no money involved they would have put breaks on it.

However, like I wrote few post earlier, I still think league should have been stopped. Ofcourse it feels like success when you change lot of rules and step over lot of red lines. That is exactly what happened. Both on the pitch and outside of it. It has not always been about virus. Although that was major issue which thankfully by now seems to have gone well. It was also about credibility of the game as whole which included changing rules and format during competition. And changing lot of other things that will also affect next season aswell. I have always been for stopping league, fix positions and plan for next season.
 
I was one of the ones against the restart, but fair play it has been excellent despite the fact that the numbers in England are so high still.
 
sewey89 said:
I was fully against it. Didnt think it was required. Thought it’d be terrible behind closed doors.

I was wrong. They’ve done a fantastic job and I’m gutted that it’s all over tomorrow
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I feel exactly the same way you do.
 
SilentWitness said:
It's been okay but I think the final few matchdays have shown how hard it is for a professional footballer to compete in games every few days. There is going to need to be a serious discussion about scheduling next year and how to do it fairly. I think they will absolutely need to either abolish a competition or cut fixtures in them somehow as there are clear fitness issues and injury concerns with a bunch of players across a number of teams.

I think most in this thread were in favour of the season being completed too if the correct protocols were in place and it was running in coordination with the safety of the overall nation. Since England has opened up it's understandable that football is too. I personally still feel it was an unecessary risk but they have done well with how they chose to manage it despite some variables being unfair due to the circumstance.
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Interesting. I thought the first few games since restart were dreadful watches, 75% of them seemed to be 0-0 at half time but by the last 5 games with more at stake they had the intensity of a normal run in for premier league. Ultimately it was the players coming back from 3 months off and having to adapt to empty grounds.

I agree the fixture list will be chaotic next season. League cup will have to take a hit but seems madness to me FIFA/UEFA still want to fit in all the international games that got cancelled, is the Nations league really neccesary.

One thing I never got was people claiming loads of players would refuse to play with their contracts running out, think that was a good example of unneccesary scare-mongering. Can only think of Ryan Fraser and that kid at West Ham who refused to play, everyone else just extended their deals by a month and got on with things.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
The way the fans are posting pictures of the players posing with the champions league and prem As if they’ve won it all in the same season is both hilarious and annoying. They’ve only still got the champions league trophy because of coronavirus ffs
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To be fair, we would have won the league in early April long before the Champions League final was played anyway so these pictures would still be getting taken, just 3 months earlier.
McGrathsipan said:
I'm starting to think the league isn't going to be cancelled lads
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:lol: I hope you're right! We've been waiting 30 years for this damn title ;)
 
UEFA have done a terrific job as well. I loved these mini-tournaments, I hope they consider keeping them.
 
Will football be shut down when inevitable the country goes back into a lockdown or will they just plough on this time?

Even a small cancellation of a few weeks and you simply won't have the space to finish the season.
 
FootballHQ said:
Will football be shut down when inevitable the country goes back into a lockdown or will they just plough on this time?

Even a small cancellation of a few weeks and you simply won't have the space to finish the season.
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That’s a very good question. I’d love for someone to answer this as a worse case scenario. If we’re to go into full scale lockdown and staff furloughed, NHS massively under stress, how could we justify having football and all the resources it needs. Policing, ambulances, doctors, just all the logistics of it. It doesn’t seem like a good idea and someone whom has no interest in football would presumably be very unhappy with that.
 
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