He's talking about a scenario where current standings would be final. Which, it seems, would rather happen than a null and void scenario if UEFA has their way. But that's the least favourable outcome to me, given Villa's situation.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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I find it very strange that there are posters on here admitting they are no longer interested in football yet they're here posting on a football forum 
Doubt it.
There's nothing to doubt about the fact that UEFA would rather have that solution.
I don’t get the obsession with finishing the season at all costs. At some point it becomes so distant to what’s already happened that surely any interest in what’s already happened has completely eroded. It’s like I’ve seen talk to finish the CL in August. I can honestly say that the thought of City winning it in such circumstances does not appeal to me. It would feel hollow. I’d much rather start afresh and put this season behind us. Curtail it, void it, whatever, but don’t finish it months in the future just for the sake of it.
Next season is unlikely to proceed without significant disruption, anyway. We won't get through 38 games in the August 2020 - May 2021 period - there will be further lockdowns as infection rates surge in subsequent COVID-19 waves. As Kay says, it is arguably more logical to write-off next season than this one, given that this one is 75% complete.
Yeah I agree with all of that, apart from the fact that there will be (a need for) further lockdowns. Once these lockdowns are lifted step-by-step, there should still be sufficient measures in place to keep the rate of infections at a reasonable level without the need to impose a second lockdown like the ones we're experiencing now. Governments need to implement sustainable measures, not loosen up now and then go back to lockdown mode if the virus resurfaces.
The point being the consequence.
Quite surreal that if we won our group over Valencia it may well have been us that went to Atlanta and the current situation in England would be worse.
Yeah, I'd rather not see it behind closed doors, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen though.
Arsenal players have accepted pay cuts, seems like this is the perfect way forward for the premiership, this would also counteract to some degree the loss of TV rights.
Some talking as if eg Bournemouth potentially having to finish the season without Ryan Fraser is a bigger concern integrity-wise than eg Bournemouth potentially being relegated because they're in the bottom three on goal difference after 29 games. Weird.
Kay assumes that the only outcome is making the current league table final, it's not, the only logic outcome if the season can't be finished is that it's null and voided.
A couple of fair points, but I think the point about the problems for next season is well off the mark. "Completing this one is probably easier than completing the next one" is technically true, but I assume he isnt proposing to only complete this season and sod the whole of next season off. Clubs have to play next season to say afloat financially, so the question is, does trying to finish this season put next season in jeopardy? Certainly if it gets to late summer and we're still trying to fit in a quarter of last season, you'd have to say it does.
After all, while next season is going to be disrupted come what may, it won't be as difficult as it is now. There's lots of measures you can take to create slack in the footballing calendar if you know its likely to happen. At its most extreme you could play the league only, with no cups or Europe, and stretch 38 games out over what would normally be a 50-60 game season, to accommodate for big gaps while lockdowns come and go. Then add in shortened cup tournaments only after Christmas, to be decided late and only if the pandemic allows. Adding in all those games at the start of the season just gambles next season's competition in order to finish this one. That achieves very little, particularly since this season kind of feels ruined already.
Where does October jump in from?
One huge issue with this whole thing is the limbo everyone is in, and we do need some sort of cut off date.
But why on earth October?
From my perspective and this is from a fan who's team could only benefit from a void.
1. I don't want the stats for our next generation wiped away like it never happened, nor Frank's double on Mourinho amoung other things.
2. Teams like Sheffield United. I remember being in similar positions to them where our future direction depended on league finish. A CL kitty will be a massive game changer for them and will probably allow them to fully establish themselves as a top half PL club.
As it stands they have CL qualification in their hands (which in my opinion will be a bigger achievement than Leicester winning the league) and deserve a chance to see it through instead of starting again technically as a newly promoted team.
This is the absolute key point to all of those people who think it's insane to prioritise next season over this season.
Clubs can probably just about sustain this season being rucked off.
They certainly won't be able to sustain next season being binned.
If it does come down to having to prioritise games and squash next season into a shorter timescale, they'll simply have to bin off internationals (arguably a miniscule loss to most of us outside of tournaments), and their cash cow the euro club tournaments.
Then of course you'd have a problem how to qualify teams for Euro (now 2021), and lose a lot of cash and prestige of the euro games.
OK, I get that, but I'm trying to explain why it has to happen.
Yup
Provided we're able to implement a system where playing football behind closed doors is safe, these should be the priorities(in the following order);
If the system is implemented well before August:
1. Finish the current season and then start the next. This is the ideal scenario.
If the system is implemented sometime in August or September:
1. Void the current season. No relegations or promotions. If there's European football(unlikely), the same teams play again. Start the next season as "normal".
2. Finish the current season and play half a season starting in January.
3. Finish the current season and scrap the next entirely.
4. Void the current season and start the next.
5. Finish the current season with the current league standings without playing any football. Then start the next season.
If the system is implemented sometime between October and late December:
1. Finish the current season and play half a season starting in January/February.
2. Finish the current season and scrap the next entirely.
3. Void the current season and start the next(half season)
4. Finish the current season with the current league standings without playing any football. Then play half a season.
If the system isn't implemented before the summer of 2021
1. Finish the current season. Cancel the next season entirely because of lack of time..
2. Void the current season and cancel the next entirely because of lack of time..
3. Finish the current season with the current league standings without playing any football. Cancel the next entirely because of lack of time.
I don't dare to think about a scenario where we can't play football even behind closed doors for more than a year from now
If the system is implemented well before August:
1. Finish the current season and then start the next. This is the ideal scenario.
If the system is implemented sometime in August or September:
1. Void the current season. No relegations or promotions. If there's European football(unlikely), the same teams play again. Start the next season as "normal".
2. Finish the current season and play half a season starting in January.
3. Finish the current season and scrap the next entirely.
4. Void the current season and start the next.
5. Finish the current season with the current league standings without playing any football. Then start the next season.
If the system is implemented sometime between October and late December:
1. Finish the current season and play half a season starting in January/February.
2. Finish the current season and scrap the next entirely.
3. Void the current season and start the next(half season)
4. Finish the current season with the current league standings without playing any football. Then play half a season.
If the system isn't implemented before the summer of 2021
1. Finish the current season. Cancel the next season entirely because of lack of time..
2. Void the current season and cancel the next entirely because of lack of time..
3. Finish the current season with the current league standings without playing any football. Cancel the next entirely because of lack of time.
I don't dare to think about a scenario where we can't play football even behind closed doors for more than a year from now
Everything seems to work on my desktop, but not on my phone.Ah, so it's not just me. Thought my smilies were greyed out in prep of a banning.
Aha, it just worked. Type colon then two letters of the smilie (if you can remember what they were called. Trying to figure out the jizz one) it auto fills the rest of the name.
Which is the jizz one? I've looked at all the names and see it. Or do oppo fans get a different set
It really does seem to me that the best option is to just finish now, pay a percentage to the clubs based on their position, then start again with a new season.
I don't know why that option is not even on the table? There are court cases and litigation with whatever but this is the least damage to everyone.
I don't know why that option is not even on the table? There are court cases and litigation with whatever but this is the least damage to everyone.
Except it's a fact that there's a massive virus around now, that is preventing the season being finished.
And it's only conjecture that there "might" be another wave later/next year
And the massive issue that if we did write next season off, we'd resume the season after with about 40% of the 92 clubs still surviving.
Unless the Premier league do a government style funding of everyone. Or the actual government, but then they have slightly more important issues.
It's possible to finish the current season in 1 month if the teams play 2 games a week. Provided they start in September, I reckon there's still time to finish the next if we are a little creative. Particularly if scrapping cups are an option.
Not ideal, obviously.
Who qualifies for Europe, relegation and promotion in your simplified scheme? Are you taking In games in hand, or not?
What about teams who have played most of the tough teams, or have more home games left.
or is your answer just "hard luck" and declare as it the tables currently are, and promote 3rd in each division, even though there are usually playoffs?
Or are you even suggested that prizes are paid out on positions, but actual positions etc themselves are voided?
If so, do we just start next year with all divisions the same? What happens with Bury and Bolton's situations. Who goes into Europe?
Of course it would not be 'real football' behind closed doors but the mental health help for people across the world being able to watch football would in incalculable in my humble opinion. Of course, it it's safe for players, staff etc....
It’s funny how Liverpool fans are pretty much the only fans that actually believe this season has to be finished. It’s almost like they’re not being objective for some reason
I think I said before to bin the efl for a season and to compensate for attendance revenue is £300m, which ignores sponsorship etc. so now we are into either not paying players or paying them less. Add to that pl clubs and I don’t see how completing this season at the expense of next makes any sense.
I think we either see both or just next season. The question is what to do if that happens. Void or finish as is.
I think we either see both or just next season. The question is what to do if that happens. Void or finish as is.
I think early on the fact that United fans (along with Everton, City, etc) were all laughing at the admittedly hilarious prospect of Liverpool losing out on the trophy has kind of coloured things, since Liverpool fans still think that its all a biased agenda when people say it shouldn't be continued. In truth though, its been obvious for a while that if you can't get the games out of the way before the start of next season, you run into very real problems that have knock on effects for years to come.
Sounds like today’s PL meeting achieved the square root of feck all. Still the aim to finish the season but June 30th deadline wasn’t even raised.
I think if we get to any scenario with football being gone for 6 months plus so many teams go bump or lose so many players finishing this season becomes moot as there will be no integrity anyway.Provided we're able to implement a system where playing football behind closed doors is safe, these should be the priorities(in the following order);
If the system is implemented well before August:
1. Finish the current season and then start the next. This is the ideal scenario.
If the system is implemented sometime in August or September:
1. Void the current season. No relegations or promotions. If there's European football(unlikely), the same teams play again. Start the next season as "normal".
2. Finish the current season and play half a season starting in January.
3. Finish the current season and scrap the next entirely.
4. Void the current season and start the next.
5. Finish the current season with the current league standings without playing any football. Then start the next season.
If the system is implemented sometime between October and late December:
1. Finish the current season and play half a season starting in January/February.
2. Finish the current season and scrap the next entirely.
3. Void the current season and start the next(half season)
4. Finish the current season with the current league standings without playing any football. Then play half a season.
If the system isn't implemented before the summer of 2021
1. Finish the current season. Cancel the next season entirely because of lack of time..
2. Void the current season and cancel the next entirely because of lack of time..
3. Finish the current season with the current league standings without playing any football. Cancel the next entirely because of lack of time.
I don't dare to think about a scenario where we can't play football even behind closed doors for more than a year from now
Easily the worst solution. The only position on the table that's more or less decided is the 1st place(and even that isn't 100%!). Anything could have happened. If "the integrity of the sport" is even slightly considered, this shouldn't even be an option.
Those last 9 rounds of games would be some of the worst zombie games in PL history. Lots of unfit players playing dead rubbers in front of empty stadiums.
You are explaining your points based on a year away from football, which isn't going to happen, whether it bins of this season or not.
Next season will go ahead no matter what - whether it's behind closed doors to begin with or not.
Unless those games are used instead of pre-season friendlies!
Everything seems to work on my desktop, but not on my phone.
Which is the jizz one? I've looked at all the names and see it. Or do oppo fans get a different set
LFC fans might have been given the 'jizz' one after Klopp signed. I'm not even touching the "should the season be finished" debate.
What I'm saying is, that if we wait until it's safe to play matches with crowds to restart, then football will be fecked. It doesn't matter if these are next or this season's fixtures.
There's going to need to be massive re-distribution of funds to lower leagues regardless of whether we prioritise a full schedule next season (which looks like it's not happening). It'll be next year before fans can attend games and lower league clubs are going to have to run their first half a season at a loss with little to no prize money from this season. Voiding isn't some tonic for teams in precarious financial situations.
I guess those teams could get slightly reduced prize money if they figure out final standings for this season though. This might be why every current league system so far has tried avoided voiding in favour of some system which adds finality to this one.
I guess those teams could get slightly reduced prize money if they figure out final standings for this season though. This might be why every current league system so far has tried avoided voiding in favour of some system which adds finality to this one.
Hang on a second. Are there really functional adults in this thread going: “Well if the season is declared null and void, I’ll just rock up to my lawyer and have him notify the club that I want a full refund, because none of the 29 matches I watched actually happened?”
FFS it’s a good thing the emoji thing is greyed out on my phone or the rest of the page would be filled with laughing emojis.
FFS it’s a good thing the emoji thing is greyed out on my phone or the rest of the page would be filled with laughing emojis.
Yeah. Also some clubs / players may change plans now when it's obvious next season won't be 'normal' as well. For example D Silva could sign extension with City instead of joining Miami / Milan / J league club.
Just wonder... If CL final's played on August 29 or what's that date then only after that players will have their 21-day holidays and once they return they'd still need 3-4 weeks of pre-season so 20/21 can't start before second-half of October, right?