Indeed, it would be just to sort out champion and relegation, the top 4/5 because useless with no CL next season.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Sorry I missed it but where's the talk of no CL next season coming from?
We have at least 11 game days left which is among the highest number of games left in Europe.
Basic logic.
The idea that every country competing in European competitions will suddenly have this under control and allow tens of thousands of people to freely move in and out of their borders to play football is fanciful at best.
Current standings is the most controversial conclusion, moreso than voiding IMO. Not so much for the title winner as that is just about a certainty in the PL, but allowing teams to be relegated when they had 9 games left to pull away from the relegation zone is incredibly unfair.
Ending the season with current standings would be more trouble than somehow somewhere eventually finishing the league season. It would be an absolute nightmare to make the table final.
You just have to look at Villa and know that it'll something they won't even be considering imo.
Making the current standings in the table final means relegating Aston Villa with a game-in-hand that could've lifted them out of the bottom three - that cannot seriously be allowed to happen.
It has to be complete the season, or void it. Current standings can't be an option.
It has to be complete the season, or void it. Current standings can't be an option.
At times like these, when real, innovative solutions are needed, we have to bring the great football thinkers into the fold, like Wenger, SAF, Lippi and Tim Lovejoy.
Lots or rumours picking up that Serie A will resume training May 3 or so and continue the season in the last week of May. There are more games left in Serie A compared to EPL so far and I believe they are looking at playing every 3 days.
May even scrap the domestic Cups.
@RobinLFC how did the relegated teams take the news back home - with current standings declared as final? Unless there were no relegations?
You're from Belgium right? So how many games would Brugge have had to play before being declared actual champions? Would this be a mini league, or QF/SF/F type knockout? Same for relegation places too? So why have clubs not raised a fuss about all this, legally or otherwise?
I've tried googling how it works in Belgium but I'm even more confused.
Keep in mind that it's only a recommendation by the board of directors - still has to be confirmed by the general meeting on April 15th although it's hard to see them vote against it, I think.
There will be no relegations from the first division. The playoff-final of the second division (one leg played, 1-0 to the home side) in principle won't be finished either and both teams will be promoted so we'd have an 18-team first division next season instead of 16 if everything goes through as proposed... To be continued, I'd say
Certainly since UEFA seemed not amused with our solution, but don't know how much they'll let that influence them, if at all. According to the experts over here they cannot exclude us from European competitions based on this.The top 6 after 30 games (currently played 29) goes to "Group A" which contends for the title, after their points totals are halved. So, assuming every team in the current top 6 would've won their last game, the start of the playoff system would've looked like this:
1. Brugge 37
2. Gent 29
3. Charleroi 29
4. Antwerp 28
5. Standard 26
6. Mechelen 24
The rest of the teams play in some other groups which are too difficult to explain tbh. These 6 teams play each other home and away (so 10 extra games) to decide the league and the European places. Given Brugge's dominance and the fact that they're just better than everyone else at the moment, I think they would've needed 5 or 6 games to clinch the title.
The only team which has currently kicked up a fuss about it, and more specifically about the distribution of European prize money, is Anderlecht (unsurprisingly, cnuts) since they miss out on European football next year (but would've missed out with 95% certainty anyway if the season was completed). There's a call from some clubs (the little ones) for financial solidarity (somewhat like in the Bundesliga) but the top teams don't seem to agree with that so far.
Brugge would need 5 to 6 games to clinch the title??
So not really champions yet then. Man City, sorry I mean Genk, had more than a decent chance regardless of form.Not the story we've been sold on this thread by some intelligent posters earlier then.
Well being shite for 6 weeks didn't help but yes we would effectively be relegated for reaching the league cup final so our game with Sheffield United on Feb 29th couldn't take place. Likes of West Ham and Watford won that weekend and went above us which shows the minefield of making that decision.
What's the reaction in Italy to that optimistic plan out of interest?
At the very least. Imagine a scenario where Gent beats Brugge on the first day of play-offs and you're looking at a 5-point gap with 9 games to go.Brugge would need 5 to 6 games to clinch the title??
Not the story we've been sold on this thread by some intelligent posters earlier then.
Bloody hell as opposed to a near 20 point gap we have over City even if they beat us at home. Wowsers, the foolishness of some posters on here.
Thanks for the update. So wouldn't the clubs (similar to the EPL) have to vote for such a resolution?Keep in mind that it's only a recommendation by the board of directors - still has to be confirmed by the general meeting on April 15th although it's hard to see them vote against it, I think.
There will be no relegations from the first division. The playoff-final of the second division (one leg played, 1-0 to the home side) in principle won't be finished either and both teams will be promoted so we'd have an 18-team first division next season instead of 16 if everything goes through as proposed... To be continued, I'd say
I'm not really familiar with the structure of our FA. From what I've read, not every team is represented in the board of directors, so there's already a few teams who are quite displeased that they haven't even been consulted. The general meeting on April 15 does indeed have representatives of each professional football team (24 teams, the 16 of our first division and 8 of our second division) so I can imagine that there'll be a serious debate about the proposed solution. Not sure whether the vote has to be unanimous or by majority decision either...
You said it.Bloody hell as opposed to a near 20 point gap we have over City even if they beat us at home. Wowsers, the foolishness of some posters on here.
Nobody is really taking it seriously yet. It all depends how the wider country progresses over the next couple of weeks.
They've said 4th May is when they hope to restart training, and resume the season on 6th June and finish on 20th July. Then they could start the new season no earlier than 12th September.
They also said if a single player or coach tests positive in that time the whole season will be over with no chance of recovery.
Thanks for the update man. It's easy to see that any proposed solution comes with a shit load of headaches
If they go the belgium route they can crown liverpool champions , relegate no one and promote 3 new teams for next season.
The problem at the moment, is that various randoms are saying their own opinion, based on nothing, and people hear their status and believe them
Udinese chairman seems to reckon we're on the verge of cancelling the season
https://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-statement-season-cancelled
Whereas the "Uefa chief" seems certain Liverpool get their title whatever happens
https://www.football365.com/news/ue...mier-league-title?utm_source=Bibblio-F365-RHC
Udinese chairman seems to reckon we're on the verge of cancelling the season
https://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-statement-season-cancelled
Whereas the "Uefa chief" seems certain Liverpool get their title whatever happens
https://www.football365.com/news/ue...mier-league-title?utm_source=Bibblio-F365-RHC
There has been a lot of people talking about tone deaf famous and rich people during this crisis, but the football overlords are on another level with their repugnant desperation to finish this season for the sake of money, as there wont be any European football next season, no way they want hundreds of thousands of people bumping around from country to country every other mid-week anytime soon. So the only teams that will truly be effected, negatively or positively, if he season is voided are the ones in the promotion and relegation spots.
Bit different to the Belgium route crowning Liverpool champions. In Belgium Brugge were mathematically going to finish first after the maximum amount of games before the league splits. All they’ve done is just change the format really which is a lot fairer than declaring a team Champions who mathematically could have finished 2nd even if they were so far clear.
Easy solution to that, just don’t have away fans at European games. Which is what I suspect will happen.
Brugge could’ve finished 6th mathematically.
Your argument makes zero sense, they’ve not even changed the format, just made (or about to make) the league positions final.
You'd get away fans sneaking into the home ends, unless you really clamp down on flights.
Which is a level of lockdown that won't happen if you're back to situations allowing 40,000-60,000 people into a stadium.
Surely just rucking off European football for a year makes better sense than any sort of BCD, limited fans, no away fans type scenarios?
Mathematically, Liverpool have won nothing.
Good luck stopping loads of idiots travelling anyway and getting in, it makes no sense to be playing European football in the next year or so.
Brugge would need 5 to 6 games to clinch the title??
Not the story we've been sold on this thread by some intelligent posters earlier then.
Which story was that then?
They could end the season and declare the current standings final no problem, i reckon a majority of the clubs wold vote for it. But obviously for fairness sake there would have to be no relegations and no champions. Don't think Euro qualifying places will be a factor.
The virus will make the decision. Since we don't really understand it that well, impossible to say at the moment what will happen exactly.
Some things look very unlikely, like relegating teams currently in the bottom 3, or giving CL to teams in current top 4, because legally unsustainable without a complete season. Most other scenarios remain possible.
We don't know much more than that though.
Guess this thread will probably get a few more hundred pages of speculation though, before we find out what will actually happen.
Some things look very unlikely, like relegating teams currently in the bottom 3, or giving CL to teams in current top 4, because legally unsustainable without a complete season. Most other scenarios remain possible.
We don't know much more than that though.
Guess this thread will probably get a few more hundred pages of speculation though, before we find out what will actually happen.
Like I know the opinion of people in general is at an all time low but come on. There’s been numerous European/domestic games with home/away fans banned across Europe for years, LITERALLY this season as well and there’s never been a huge influx of away supporters trying to get in a home end, certainly not enough to cause a big enough problem. The idea that there’ll be thousands of banned away fans trying to get into home ends for European competition group games is kind of absurd.
I’ll add most people will respect rules and laws and if clubs step up efforts to keep away the ones that do try and flout the rules then it’s an easy win. Put measures in place.
Well they sort of have if they're just going off the final standings from the first phase of the league before the play-offs.
I don't think these two statements contradict each other - the Udinese chairman compares what we are doing to Belgium, where Brugge were crowned champions. So yeah, Liverpool may well be getting their title even if we suspend.
Wasn't saying they were opposites, just saying it's the latest opinions from a couple of people in reasonable positions, based on their own particular opinion.
And nothing has really changed - nothing can be decided for a fair old time now.
But i'm not sure why a relative back water league like Belgium would be used to influence the major leagues.