Coronavirus in football

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Chelsea asked for their game to be postponed… see the team they put out?!
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While I got your point, I don't think a soft criteria, like the team is good enough to go ahead with the fixture, would be appropriate to take such a decision.

I'm sure Chelsea fans would argue that the team wasn't balanced as they had no striker with Havertz, Werner and Lukaku out. Also Tuchel said he had to take big risks by playing players who just recovered from injuries and covid without being match fit.

Also what if the whole squad is fit but the 3 or 4 keepers are out?

Also it depends on the opponent. Good enough to beat Newcastle? Surely. Good enough to beat Wolves? Maybe. Good enough to beat Man City? Surely not.

Game cancellation have to be transparent. Thus clear rules have to be applied. Like games ahead as long as 13 or 14 players are available.

Also the EPL needs to publish at least the number of covid positive players and the number of players who are negative but need to quarantine because they are not vaccinated.

If matches have to cancelled because many healthy players need to quarantine for being unvaccinated, the fixture should be counted as a 3:0 loss. This will at least mount some pressure on the clubs to get their players vaccinated.
 
Klopper76 said:
How long do players actually have to miss. Is it until they test negative or 10 days?
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In Germany if you aren't vaccinated and we're in contact with positive person, you have to vaccinate at least 10 days and then can test yourself free with a negative test.
 
B. Munich said:
In Germany if you aren't vaccinated and we're in contact with positive person, you have to vaccinate at least 10 days and then can test yourself free with a negative test.
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What about if you're vaccinated then test positive? For example Fabinho and Van Dijk tested positive on Thursday December 16th, but are both fully vaccinated. Is it until you show a negative test then?
 
Klopper76 said:
How long do players actually have to miss. Is it until they test negative or 10 days?
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Think it's different depending on vaccination status. In the NFL, if you're vaccinated you don't have to quarantine if you've had a close contact with a positive case, while if you're unvaccinated you have to quarantine for 5 days. If you test positive while vaxxed, you can test every day and return when you return 2 positives in back to back days, while if you test positive while unvaccinated then you quarantine for 10 days minimum.
 
Klopper76 said:
What about if you're vaccinated then test positive? For example Fabinho and Van Dijk tested positive on Thursday December 16th, but are both fully vaccinated. Is it until you show a negative test then?
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i don’t know about footballers but for the public if you test positive you need to isolate for ten days from when symptoms started or your positive test. You don’t have to have a negative test to go back to normal things after those ten days. You can do anything you want as long as you don’t have a high temperature.
 
Lot there so just put stuff in bold. Long and short of it is nothing’s perfect but better to crack on (if pretty safe) than postpone or cancel… and given the money involved, I dont think it will.
B. Munich said:
While I got your point, I don't think a soft criteria, like the team is good enough to go ahead with the fixture, would be appropriate to take such a decision. I don’t either, should be linked to available players (which is what it is now?)

I'm sure Chelsea fans would argue that the team wasn't balanced as they had no striker with Havertz, Werner and Lukaku out. Also Tuchel said he had to take big risks by playing players who just recovered from injuries and covid without being match fit. Some teams may be impacted more in a position than others, luck of the draw. They have other players who can play upfront

Also what if the whole squad is fit but the 3 or 4 keepers are out? Depends if that’s all your goalies (say 18+)

Also it depends on the opponent. Good enough to beat Newcastle? Surely. Good enough to beat Wolves? Maybe. Good enough to beat Man City? Surely not. no, purely on available players

Game cancellation have to be transparent. Thus clear rules have to be applied. Like games ahead as long as 13 or 14 players are available. Think that’s what it now is?

Also the EPL needs to publish at least the number of covid positive players and the number of players who are negative but need to quarantine because they are not vaccinated.they don’t need to (it’s personal/medical info) but I think theg are, from Jan?

If matches have to cancelled because many healthy players need to quarantine for being unvaccinated, the fixture should be counted as a 3:0 loss. This will at least mount some pressure on the clubs to get their players vaccinated.
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cyberman said:
Until when? Cases will probably be even higher in 3 weeks.
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Until the spread among the players and staff can be controlled and they can be comfortably placed back into bubbles. Is that not obvious? Am I some kind of super brain?
 
Nicoseth said:
Never understood this idea, mate - you'd rather there was no footy than behind closed doors footy? No way - it's nowhere near as good as packed stadiums, but it's still a lot better than nothing.
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I couldnt disagree with you more if your name was wrongy mcwrongy face. With no crowds its just utterly soulless. Like watching a crappy practice session. Id rather there was no football than go back to that garbage.
 
Bit of a shitshow this. We win that game yesterday if we had our regular midfield in place. Hard enough competing with city’s oil squad with two world class players in each position without idiot refs and no proper protocols in place.

So some teams essentially get a break whilst others plough on, teams like city getting a break last season then winning every game damages the integrity of the competition. Fine though, we’ll just let the most financially doped squads reap the biggest benefits.
 
Klopper76 said:
How long do players actually have to miss. Is it until they test negative or 10 days?
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Ten full days of isolation at home from the onset of symptoms or first positive test (whichever came earlier). Any players who are not fully vaccinated who came into contact with the player who tested positive in the 48 hours before they tested positive, will also have to isolate at home for 10 full days. Meanwhile, vaccinated players do not have to isolate if they come in to contact with someone who has COVID (unless they too test positive).

Its easy to see why vaccination is so important if a club is to stand a chance of fulfilling its fixtures while the infection rates are so high - otherwise, you not only risk losing anyone who actually gets infected with COVID, but also risk losing all of the non-vaccinated players in your squad due to the isolation rules.
 
Blackwidow said:
Full stadiums and with it full busses and trains, but restrictions everywhere else?

I live in Baveria. All Xmas markets are postponed and there is vaccinated or recovered sometimes + additionally tested in about every non essential business. Mask everywhere anyways.

Unvaccinated you cannot shop in many shops, cannot get a haircut, eat out somewhere, need a daily test to go to work or use busses and trains...

On that background you want big crowds in stadiums?
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I am sorry to hear there is a place in the world that after almost 2 years of covid, they still have to live like that. Sounds like your Baveria handled covid really poorly and people live in fear. they will really struggle to get out of it.

I have been to Texas, Florida and no one wears masks since almost a year ago, stadiums, events like in the UK are completely sold out. That is success because people love it and they learned to live with cases and treatments, they have the lowest vaccination rate in the USA and they are not worry about covid anymore.

Your Baveria sounds alot like New York or California. People are moving out of those states in masses to live in the states i mentioned. Even though they have the highest percentaje of vaccination rate, they have severe covid cases even under your Baverias type restrictions, people live in fear, it is a mess, It is ridiculous at this point.

Back to the Premier League, in my opinion it is a success when you have full stadiums and almost no one wears masks anymore unlike Spain fo example, that is normal life and should be aplauded.

Like i said, hats off to the Premier League.
 
bosnian_red said:
Why should teams who aren't going crazy want to postpone the league? The majority of the positive cases and causes for postponements are down to the clubs with poor vaccination rates or aren't following the guidelines properly.
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Who wants to see the league won when a good chunk of games are being played by clubs youth team players?

I get what you are saying and it's terribly unfair but that's the only way I can see the cases falling from within the players as it's not the fans fault players are getting sick, it's the players unnecessarily being careless.

The only other way other than a break is to start having teams forfeit their games if they have to resort to asking to postpone and the other team can play. When it starts affecting league position maybe then things will start to calm down.
 
They should make it mandatory to be fully vaccinated unless for valid medical reasons.
 
Norman Brownbutter said:
Until the spread among the players and staff can be controlled and they can be comfortably placed back into bubbles. Is that not obvious? Am I some kind of super brain?
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It can’t be controlled. It’s almost impossible to stop the spread without vaccination. You would have to live like a monk to avoid it while unvaccinated.
That’s the problem here. It’s not the first variant where players went to New Year’s Eve celebrations or host sex parties and get away with it. Bubbles won’t work
 
Stretford_End_17 said:
I am sorry to hear there is a place in the world that after almost 2 years of covid, they still have to live like that. Sounds like your Baveria handled covid really poorly and people live in fear. they will really struggle to get out of it.

I have been to Texas, Florida and no one wears masks since almost a year ago, stadiums, events like in the UK are completely sold out. That is success because people love it and they learned to live with cases and treatments, they have the lowest vaccination rate in the USA and they are not worry about covid anymore.

Your Baveria sounds alot like New York or California. People are moving out of those states in masses to live in the states i mentioned. Even though they have the highest percentaje of vaccination rate, they have severe covid cases even under your Baverias type restrictions, people live in fear, it is a mess, It is ridiculous at this point.

Back to the Premier League, in my opinion it is a success when you have full stadiums and almost no one wears masks anymore unlike Spain fo example, that is normal life and should be aplauded.

Like i said, hats off to the Premier League.
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So anti-masker do you also feel the same about vaccines?

spain take it seriously because the country was ravaged with the first round of covid so I don’t think it’s fair to say they are doing it wrong. What’s wrong with wearing a face mask? Doctors and nurses wear them every day for long hours saving lives. Are they wrong?

texas is full of strange people I wouldn’t be holding them as the world example
 
Liver_bird said:
Bit of a shitshow this. We win that game yesterday if we had our regular midfield in place. Hard enough competing with city’s oil squad with two world class players in each position without idiot refs and no proper protocols in place.

So some teams essentially get a break whilst others plough on, teams like city getting a break last season then winning every game damages the integrity of the competition. Fine though, we’ll just let the most financially doped squads reap the biggest benefits.
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you were lucky to draw
 
Liver_bird said:
Bit of a shitshow this. We win that game yesterday if we had our regular midfield in place. Hard enough competing with city’s oil squad with two world class players in each position without idiot refs and no proper protocols in place.

So some teams essentially get a break whilst others plough on, teams like city getting a break last season then winning every game damages the integrity of the competition. Fine though, we’ll just let the most financially doped squads reap the biggest benefits.
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What is it with you lot and talking about "integrity" of the competition?
Where was this talk when you won it with empty stadiums for half, but not all the season?
 
golden_blunder said:
So anti-masker do you also feel the same about vaccines?

spain take it seriously because the country was ravaged with the first round of covid so I don’t think it’s fair to say they are doing it wrong. What’s wrong with wearing a face mask? Doctors and nurses wear them every day for long hours saving lives. Are they wrong?

texas is full of strange people I wouldn’t be holding them as the world example
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Actually they don't. You have to change them every 2 hours according to the doctors I know. If you don't, you run the risk of bacterial infection and other "amazing benefits". Now ask yourself this: does the average Joe know about this?
https://gulfnews.com/uae/health/change-your-face-mask-every-2-hours-to-avoid-infections-say-dubai-doctors
 
Caesar2290 said:
Actually they don't. You have to change them every 2 hours according to the doctors I know. If you don't, you run the risk of bacterial infection and other "amazing benefits". Now ask yourself this: does the average Joe know about this?
https://gulfnews.com/uae/health/change-your-face-mask-every-2-hours-to-avoid-infections-say-dubai-doctors
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Whether they wear one mask or several they are still wearing them to protect themselves and others which is the point he was making.

The Average Joe also likely wears them for 10 minutes at a time for a trip round the shop or on the bus and doesn't have to work in areas as precarious as hospitals so it's not comparing same situations. People are encouraged to change their masks regularly but it's impractical to think every person on the street can change it every 2 hours.
 
Caesar2290 said:
Actually they don't. You have to change them every 2 hours according to the doctors I know. If you don't, you run the risk of bacterial infection and other "amazing benefits". Now ask yourself this: does the average Joe know about this?
https://gulfnews.com/uae/health/change-your-face-mask-every-2-hours-to-avoid-infections-say-dubai-doctors
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I know that, I’m not saying they wear the same one for hours on end. I’m saying they wear face masks all day. But for the pendants amongst you I don’t mean literally the same one
 
Stretford_End_17 said:
I am sorry to hear there is a place in the world that after almost 2 years of covid, they still have to live like that. Sounds like your Baveria handled covid really poorly and people live in fear. they will really struggle to get out of it.

I have been to Texas, Florida and no one wears masks since almost a year ago, stadiums, events like in the UK are completely sold out. That is success because people love it and they learned to live with cases and treatments, they have the lowest vaccination rate in the USA and they are not worry about covid anymore.

Your Baveria sounds alot like New York or California. People are moving out of those states in masses to live in the states i mentioned. Even though they have the highest percentaje of vaccination rate, they have severe covid cases even under your Baverias type restrictions, people live in fear, it is a mess, It is ridiculous at this point.

Back to the Premier League, in my opinion it is a success when you have full stadiums and almost no one wears masks anymore unlike Spain fo example, that is normal life and should be aplauded.

Like i said, hats off to the Premier League.
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All your previous posts on Covid paint quite a telling picture :lol:
 
Stretford_End_17 said:
I am sorry to hear there is a place in the world that after almost 2 years of covid, they still have to live like that. Sounds like your Baveria handled covid really poorly and people live in fear. they will really struggle to get out of it.

I have been to Texas, Florida and no one wears masks since almost a year ago, stadiums, events like in the UK are completely sold out. That is success because people love it and they learned to live with cases and treatments, they have the lowest vaccination rate in the USA and they are not worry about covid anymore.

Your Baveria sounds alot like New York or California. People are moving out of those states in masses to live in the states i mentioned. Even though they have the highest percentaje of vaccination rate, they have severe covid cases even under your Baverias type restrictions, people live in fear, it is a mess, It is ridiculous at this point.

Back to the Premier League, in my opinion it is a success when you have full stadiums and almost no one wears masks anymore unlike Spain fo example, that is normal life and should be aplauded.

Like i said, hats off to the Premier League.
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Tell me you're a Trump supporter without telling me you're one.

The UK has had more deaths and nearly twice the cases than Germany from a smaller population and not being bordered from all sides if that factors into your judgement at all.
 
So Wolves and Leeds have announced that their squad is fully vaccinated. Will become embarrassing for teams which are left out when more teams come out and declare the same
 
pratyush_utd said:
So Wolves and Leeds have announced that their squad is fully vaccinated. Will become embarrassing for teams which are left out when more teams come out and declare the same
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it makes me wonder where we rank as a team in terms of player vaccination rates? I’ve a suspicion we might be in the bottom half out of the 20 clubs
 
golden_blunder said:
How is Lingard seen as a bad influence? There’s many reports of him being a good influence in the dressing room. He looks after his sick parent at home, and his little sister rather than partying, and worked his bollox off on loan to prove himself
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I did say I do not know if they causing bad influences. What I wanted to point across is that a young player coming through is easily influenced by the more senior players - like how easily Rashford was influenced by Lingard coming through.

Lingard may be a good influence for all I know but we don't have enough of good influences to see it in the squad.
Also looking after sick parent and little sister is a very good thing but the influences I'm talking about is dedication and preparation for the game. Fergie's squad has loads of players with very questionable personality but there is no doubt when it comes to football they are undoubtedly good influences - look at Giggs, really took care of his body, changing his diet, changing his game to adapt to his age so he can play longer. But very questionable morals.
 
cyberman said:
It can’t be controlled. It’s almost impossible to stop the spread without vaccination. You would have to live like a monk to avoid it while unvaccinated.
That’s the problem here. It’s not the first variant where players went to New Year’s Eve celebrations or host sex parties and get away with it. Bubbles won’t work
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Yes it can. What do you think the PL was doing last season? We could all stop it tomorrow if we were so inclined to make some hard choices. And just to be accurate, control doesnt mean stop.
 
Stretford_End_17 said:
I am sorry to hear there is a place in the world that after almost 2 years of covid, they still have to live like that. Sounds like your Baveria handled covid really poorly and people live in fear. they will really struggle to get out of it.

I have been to Texas, Florida and no one wears masks since almost a year ago, stadiums, events like in the UK are completely sold out. That is success because people love it and they learned to live with cases and treatments, they have the lowest vaccination rate in the USA and they are not worry about covid anymore.

Your Baveria sounds alot like New York or California. People are moving out of those states in masses to live in the states i mentioned. Even though they have the highest percentaje of vaccination rate, they have severe covid cases even under your Baverias type restrictions, people live in fear, it is a mess, It is ridiculous at this point.

Back to the Premier League, in my opinion it is a success when you have full stadiums and almost no one wears masks anymore unlike Spain fo example, that is normal life and should be aplauded.

Like i said, hats off to the Premier League.
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Not sure why you're basing your argument using America as an example. This is a country that is debating whether kids should be wearing kevlar vests in schools...
 
Stretford_End_17 said:
I am sorry to hear there is a place in the world that after almost 2 years of covid, they still have to live like that. Sounds like your Baveria handled covid really poorly and people live in fear. they will really struggle to get out of it.

I have been to Texas, Florida and no one wears masks since almost a year ago, stadiums, events like in the UK are completely sold out. That is success because people love it and they learned to live with cases and treatments, they have the lowest vaccination rate in the USA and they are not worry about covid anymore.

Your Baveria sounds alot like New York or California. People are moving out of those states in masses to live in the states i mentioned. Even though they have the highest percentaje of vaccination rate, they have severe covid cases even under your Baverias type restrictions, people live in fear, it is a mess, It is ridiculous at this point.

Back to the Premier League, in my opinion it is a success when you have full stadiums and almost no one wears masks anymore unlike Spain fo example, that is normal life and should be aplauded.

Like i said, hats off to the Premier League.
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Ah so you're an advocate for the "let's all just get covid and let millions and millions die as long as I can have my FREEDOM, MURICA FECK YEAH" route. Nice. fecking idiotic trump supporters.
 
Anyway, I think Leeds have set a standard for this season with their selection against Arsenal. No excuses for any other clubs. If you can't fill your squad with senior players, use the academy.
 
And what after the festive fixtures? It can be postpone for couples of weeks as some sources say?
 
minoo-utd said:
And what after the festive fixtures? It can be postpone for couples of weeks as some sources say?
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I read they will scrap FA Cup 3rd and 4th round replays and make the League Cup Semi-Finals to 1 leg.
 
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